I take it you´ve all seen the Star Wars 1313 and Watchdogs demos by now, some of the effects (like lightning) seem something the 360 and PS3 can´t achieve.

Are those games a hint at what we should expect from next gen systems during their first, let´s say, two years?

Yes, it's pretty much what early next-gen games are gonna look like I think. It's not the first time we've seen it though, take a look at BF3 or Metro: Last Light maxed out on PC, they look as good.

Yep and don't forget about Bungie's Destiny and what ever Respawn is working on.

wow... already leaving out Wii U from the conversation....

I feel like the only individual in the world that didn't proclaim 'WOW' upon watching the Watchdogs reveal. Maybe PC gaming has spoiled me. SW 1313 was quite nice though. Wouldn't surprise me if they were for PS4/720 why else would you not announce all the platforms the game is for right?

based on what? I missed both. What evolution in game design did both bring?