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Do you think that there is a God?

Yes 37 34.91%
 
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It's likely 6 5.66%
 
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Madn on 26 April 2012

I don't see how would that mean beating God. And there are real-life situations that are similar. Think of a baby who dies right after he's born. I think he would go to heaven as he wouldn't have sinned



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IIIIITHE1IIIII on 26 April 2012
Sal.Paradise said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

Yeah, I have heard about that too, and it seems that this thread has ended up in a similar manner to my other one: The only way for God to be undefeated is if everything is predetermined (but even then you cannot blame someone for commiting a sin...), otherwise we have just found the key to heaven.

I really don't think you've found the key to heaven in locking children up until they die. Way too speculative. 


I have found a way of creating the first human being to live without commiting a single sin though.



IIIIITHE1IIIII on 26 April 2012
Madn said:
I don't see how would that mean beating God. And there are real-life situations that are similar. Think of a baby who dies right after he's born. I think he would go to heaven as he wouldn't have sinned


That's true, it's exactly the same case. The point of this thread though is that I (may?) have found a way of assuring every upcoming generation a place in heaven.



Sal.Paradise on 26 April 2012
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Sal.Paradise said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

Yeah, I have heard about that too, and it seems that this thread has ended up in a similar manner to my other one: The only way for God to be undefeated is if everything is predetermined (but even then you cannot blame someone for commiting a sin...), otherwise we have just found the key to heaven.

I really don't think you've found the key to heaven in locking children up until they die. Way too speculative. 


I have found a way of creating the first human being to live without commiting a single sin though.

A completely passive life is no guarantee of getting into heaven, from everything I've read. 



NintendoPie on 26 April 2012

There are things we don't know. Your threads are great but they push the understanding of certain things, THE1.

God isn't stupid, he would make a decision on the persons actions throughout his life in "quarantine." He would be forgiven for being selfish, as all humans are or else none of us would be going to Heaven, but that wouldn't guarantee his place in Heaven. It's a tough decision though, for a human mind to make.
Then again, I'm only 13 and I'm a stupid child who can't make up his mind.



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NintendoPie on 26 April 2012
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Madn said:
I don't see how would that mean beating God. And there are real-life situations that are similar. Think of a baby who dies right after he's born. I think he would go to heaven as he wouldn't have sinned


That true, it's exactly the same case. The point of this thread though is that I (may?) have found a way of assuring every upcoming generation a place in heaven.

You've also assured them a horrible life on Earth.



IIIIITHE1IIIII on 26 April 2012
NintendoPie said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Madn said:
I don't see how would that mean beating God. And there are real-life situations that are similar. Think of a baby who dies right after he's born. I think he would go to heaven as he wouldn't have sinned


That true, it's exactly the same case. The point of this thread though is that I (may?) have found a way of assuring every upcoming generation a place in heaven.

You've also assured them a horrible life on Earth.

They won't be aware of it though. Everything is relative.

Also, wouldn't it be worth it? A few shitty years on Earth compared to an eternity in heaven? =)



NintendoPie on 26 April 2012
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

They won't be aware of it though. Everything is relative.

Also, wouldn't it be worth it? A few shitty years on Earth compared to an eternity in heaven? =)

You wouldn't know that. If his selfishness is as great as you seem to say and that he has made up his own gods then he wouldn't go to Heaven. To go to Heaven you've got to beleive in one God, the only one. I know this may seem like me speaking out of my butt, to you, but then again you're an Atheist and anything I would say on this topic would make you think that.



sperrico87 on 26 April 2012

Do good deeds and you will rewarded. Try to be an honest and virtuous person, treat others as you want to be treated, and perhaps you will go to heaven, if indeed there is one.

That is all I have to give to this conversation.



 

Busted on 26 April 2012
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Busted said:
What the...!?. He would go to heaven because the god would know that isn't his fault and would forgive him plus he didn't do anything bad.

Now a human being that lives separated from any foreing contact since it's born would be just a blank being that isn't even aware that he's alive, he will never know nothing about anything, and just act by instinct, learning could come with that but since he's isolated from everything... it would never develop feelings, or the ability to reason since all of that comes with learning from everything that is around you. It would just sit there, feed and sleep until the day of his death, therefore he would still go to heaven because again he didn't do anything bad.


So, if we put all future offsprings in similar quarantines they would all go to heaven?

 

Sounds to me like we just beat God.

Indeed. But that's impossible :)