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Are humans invaluable?

Yes 35 47.95%
 
No 21 28.77%
 
For the moment, yes 4 5.48%
 
See results 13 17.81%
 
Total:73

In the most literal sense, just a few bucks.



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For a few bucks, you can do whatever you want to me.



IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
chris.m95 said:

Id save the human but dont you see what im getting at? If someone is more intelligent/ has a higher status doesnt mean they have any right to be saved over a dumer person. i know what you saying with the high species (not human)  but i think id still save a human, theyre my people if you know what i mean.


I really don't blame you, I'd probably go for the human myself. The question is though if that would be morally correct, and I don't think it would.


I think it might be morals are what we make up peoples morales are different but mine would still see it as correct to save a human



Wait... does this mean im not human?

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TheSwordUser said:

In the most literal sense, just a few bucks.


LOL

Although, I disagree. Those numbers are estimated through the most basic components of a human (such as athoms), Zim had a better one where you take the organs into account as well. It's like comparing the price of a PC with the price of all its basic components (metal, plastic and all that stuff).

Yeah, I know. I'm being way too serious



Human's have a soul, this is the priceless part, even if you don't believe in said entity. The human life and existence is priceless. Human life is fragile and can be lost by the smallest of things.

What you described as potentially becoming more valuable is AI recreating life and a soul, or synthetics representing life. This is not real, it's pretend, a bunch of protocols or electronic signals telling itself it is alive, not knowing to begin with. It hasn't learned and developed as life should to exist.

That said if an extraterrestrial life was a common known part of our existence, that would be sacred too because of the intelligence involved and in how nature created such beings.

AI in fiction is the best example. Joss Whedon's piss poor attempted in his second story in Astonishing X-men is an example, A pure AI gained intelligence (from where this is unexplained, he's that great a writer) and he tries and pass it off like this 'life' is as important as any of the X-men. In the end it still an AI, artificial life.




Hmm, pie.

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IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
snakenobi said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
snakenobi said:
its the most valuable thing in this world


For now; yes. But do you think it's possible to create a species or robot that exceeds that value?


species come and go,we can't even vision what that species would do

 

about robots,they are controllable and are not free thinkers.


That's your robots and species. I'm talking about creatures with superior moral and intelligence. They'd never kill a human just like the average human wouldn't kill an animal (unless for survival).

robots can't think for themselves whatever you do

 

as for species they come out of nature,we can't create them



TheSwordUser said:

In the most literal sense, just a few bucks.


I'd say about three fiddy



IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

 

The reason to this is probably because humans are more intelligent and sympathetic and therefore will have a more valuable life than an animal who would act just like any other animal of the same species: Purely on instinct.

 

 





snakenobi said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
snakenobi said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
snakenobi said:
its the most valuable thing in this world


For now; yes. But do you think it's possible to create a species or robot that exceeds that value?


species come and go,we can't even vision what that species would do

 

about robots,they are controllable and are not free thinkers.


That's your robots and species. I'm talking about creatures with superior moral and intelligence. They'd never kill a human just like the average human wouldn't kill an animal (unless for survival).

robots can't think for themselves whatever you do

 

as for species they come out of nature,we can't create them


There are already robots who can think for themselves (even though they have no moral or sympathy yet) and there are estimations that in a not too distant future there will be computers smarter than the human brain.

Yes, we can create new species. We came out of nature, like you said, and we can change the nature.



The Fury said:
Human's have a soul, this is the priceless part, even if you don't believe in said entity. The human life and existence is priceless. Human life is fragile and can be lost by the smallest of things.

What you described as potentially becoming more valuable is AI recreating life and a soul, or synthetics representing life. This is not real, it's pretend, a bunch of protocols or electronic signals telling itself it is alive, not knowing to begin with. It hasn't learned and developed as life should to exist.



AI in fiction is the best example. Joss Whedon's piss poor attempted in his second story in Astonishing X-men is an example, A pure AI gained intelligence (from where this is unexplained, he's that great a writer) and he tries and pass it off like this 'life' is as important as any of the X-men. In the end it still an AI, artificial life.



Even though I don't believe in souls existence, I'll try to debate on your level. If someone was to clone any human being (sheeps can already be cloned, humans will be eventually), would that human don't have a soul and therefore be less valuable than an animal?