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If someone steps in, who should it be?

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Mr Khan said:
Israel should take over Syria. Have to protect those interests in the Golan Heights, and any democratic Muslim regime is just going to end up supporting Hezbollah. They need a dictatorship, they just need the right kind of dictatorship, one which will keep the Arabs in line.


Believe it or not, there are a majority of innocent men, women and helpless kids who are killed on a daily basis in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Innocents who suffer because of a minority of extreme fundamentalists on one side, and a powerful military on the other.

So easy for you to generalize and pass judgement on a situation from the comfort of your computer seat. Do you even realize what you said? You want Syria to be conquered because they are going through a revolution?

Sickening Mr. Khan.



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Was I reading Mr Khan wrong? I read that post as being dripping with sarcasm.



hatmoza said:
Mr Khan said:
Israel should take over Syria. Have to protect those interests in the Golan Heights, and any democratic Muslim regime is just going to end up supporting Hezbollah. They need a dictatorship, they just need the right kind of dictatorship, one which will keep the Arabs in line.


Believe it or not, there are a majority of innocent men, women and helpless kids who are killed on a daily basis in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Innocents who suffer because of a minority of extreme fundamentalists on one side, and a powerful military on the other.

So easy for you to generalize and pass judgement on a situation from the comfort of your computer seat. Do you even realize what you said? You want Syria to be conquered because they are going through a revolution?

Sickening Mr. Khan.

Mistakenly, it seems, i believed people were familiar enough with my reasonably anti-Israeli position to know that i was being facetious if i would advocate an Israeli takeover of Syria. I took the most egregious position i could think of for kicks.

Realistically, i don't know what should happen. For now the situation seems different from Libya, where the relative levels of violence are low (not saying it's low overall, but lower than how it was in Libya), and equally it does not seem as though Assad is willing to go into full-on massacre mode, so the immediate danger of this ballooning into an absolute human rights catastrophe seems to be low.

I recall in debates on this site that I advocated for exactly what ended up happening in Libya (military engagement to eliminate the Libyan Regime's heavy weapons capabilities to allow the rebels to win), but in Syria's case there doesn't seem to be the same kind of active rebellion, so it is harder to take a clear position on what should be done.

Ultimately a wait-and-see position seems to be the only realistic thing for anyone to do right now, with continued diplomatic pressure on the Assad regime to implement further political reforms (like acting on that new constitution they had a referendum on earlier). It does seem like there is an actual possibility that the Baathists could be negotiated with, so long as other powers did not take an extreme position (like "all Baathists must resign from government and military,") there is the possibility for peace, but i really don't know what Assad's endgame is here. Ultimately what needs to be seen is how far Assad is willing to concede, and what concessions the Syrian opposition is willing to accept. If either side has views that are too extreme, this problem could continue for a while



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Rath said:
Was I reading Mr Khan wrong? I read that post as being dripping with sarcasm.

It was. That's just the danger of not putting in any sarcasm indicators (though i admit i was trying to see what reaction i could evoke by taking a position that seemed halfway plausible, rather than saying something like "nuke 'em all," that would easily be spotted).

Also that Roma and Hatmoza normally don't seem to be in the political discussions, so may not be familiar with my previously established positions on Israel



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spurgeonryan said:
Roma said:
Mr Khan said:
Israel should take over Syria. Have to protect those interests in the Golan Heights, and any democratic Muslim regime is just going to end up supporting Hezbollah. They need a dictatorship, they just need the right kind of dictatorship, one which will keep the Arabs in line.

No arab nation want to support Hizbalah (the fuckheads). Only the Iranian and Syrian government want to do that and most likely Shia Muslims as well as lost Sunny Muslims (I don’t the those lost idiots) who don’t know what’s right for them  

 

People talking about the Arabs stepping in should consider that most arab countries have their own problems or do not have the weapons they need to do anything unless you guys want them to go in with rocks and knives!

 

People don’t care that Arabs and in particularly Muslims in general are being killed. What business do they have saving these people? The only reason any big country steps in to “help” is when they can benefit from it all like America “helping” the Iraqi people when in fact they only went there for the oil! America “the global force for good” (I laugh every time I se that fucking commercial!) is not helping anybody they are in fact making it worse for Muslims!

 

I’m glad people in Syria are finely fighting that fucking leader of theirs and realizing that Hizbalah is bad! Just like the other arab nations killing their leaders this fucker will die a painful death (hopefully). It will take time but they will eventually win in the end. People have lost too many close ones to give up and just forget anything ever happened.

 

And Israel should mind its own fucking business!

 

Rant over and I’m ready to get banned now!



Agreed with everything. I also agree with the banned portion, but Isreal is not the only country that needs to mind its own freaking business. That part of the world needs to learn to work together and not against each other. Am I right? Things have been bad for a long time. Are we done yet? Come on!

The world will always be like this as this is part of life and also human nature. Everyone wants the best things for themselves even if it means making someone else’s life a living hell.

 

In stories evil is always stronger but in the end good will defeat evil and that is how life is as well.





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spurgeonryan said:
I would say that, but when no one else helps all those people who have no voice just suffer. All the countries will argue until it is over and half the population is dead. Then in the history books it will not say that the UN or Nato or Freaking Fema did nothing, it will Say America did nothing to save the millions dead.

But I agree, let the world fend for themselves. Oh , America has made everything so bad. Then in 6 months after we become an isolationist country again, wait for them to say please come back out of your shell.

Do we need the worlds food? No. Do we need the worlds meat? No. Oil? No. (seriously, we could get along without it.) Worlds protection? No. Entertainment? Hell No!

So what have you given us today world? We went into debt protecting you. So is it not fair that you allow us to borrow money at a crazy rate? I think if it was not for the debt, we would become more isolated. That is keeping us on a chain.

your thinking is the problem

USA did not go into debt protecting other people,they created the problem and then pretend to fix it.

protecting from whom,why are there terrorist?did the drop from the skies?

 

USA presence in middle east was long before 911 happened.

 

those trillion idn't go to iraq or afganishtan but to america's own weapons manufacturers and policians.

 

research or stop putting out such naive comments.



No oil. No game.



Galaki said:
No oil. No game.

Syria does have a decent bit, and its relatively undeveloped (they don't have much of any refining capacity, to my knowledge), so there's always hope.



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Nope I usually stay out of these discussions as I can’t hold myself from exploding

Well at least I did not call you names or anything Mr Khan



    R.I.P Mr Iwata :'(

Salnax said:
Screw it, America's not helping. Whenever we try to be nice and save the day, the world yells at us. I think we've learned our lesson.

The UN is useless as always, NATO doesn't seem to have too much to do with the conflict, and the Syria's non-Israel neighbors are pussies. Nobody will do anything. Deal.


I was trying to write my own unique response but keep coming back to these same points.