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superchunk said:

Don't you have a car charger? I mean li-on batteries can be charged as often as needed. If you're a heavy user, plug in.

I don't think the thickness would be major concern.


Not only do I not have a car charger, it would be useless to begin with. Since when I would use it, the only times im ever using my car, going to work and come home from work, would be the exact points in which I would not need a charge.

And thickness may not be a concern for you, but would be for me. Just sayin.



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dharh said:
superchunk said:

Don't you have a car charger? I mean li-on batteries can be charged as often as needed. If you're a heavy user, plug in.

I don't think the thickness would be major concern.


Not only do I not have a car charger, it would be useless to begin with. Since when I would use it, the only times im ever using my car, going to work and come home from work, would be the exact points in which I would not need a charge.

And thickness may not be a concern for you, but would be for me. Just sayin.


If you don't need to charge after work, then you're home with plugs and your charger, right?



superchunk said:
dharh said:
superchunk said:

Don't you have a car charger? I mean li-on batteries can be charged as often as needed. If you're a heavy user, plug in.

I don't think the thickness would be major concern.


Not only do I not have a car charger, it would be useless to begin with. Since when I would use it, the only times im ever using my car, going to work and come home from work, would be the exact points in which I would not need a charge.

And thickness may not be a concern for you, but would be for me. Just sayin.


If you don't need to charge after work, then you're home with plugs and your charger, right?


And thus I am no longer mobile, it is the end of the day and now at home where non-mobile, thus better, options are to be had. This would be PSVita Phone would be plugged in and not touched until the following morning whereupon I would have another day of using it to make calls and very little gaming because I cannot afford to have the phone die and I cannot plug it in while mobile.



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dharh said:
superchunk said:
dharh said:
superchunk said:

Don't you have a car charger? I mean li-on batteries can be charged as often as needed. If you're a heavy user, plug in.

I don't think the thickness would be major concern.


Not only do I not have a car charger, it would be useless to begin with. Since when I would use it, the only times im ever using my car, going to work and come home from work, would be the exact points in which I would not need a charge.

And thickness may not be a concern for you, but would be for me. Just sayin.


If you don't need to charge after work, then you're home with plugs and your charger, right?


And thus I am no longer mobile, it is the end of the day and now at home where non-mobile, thus better, options are to be had. This would be PSVita Phone would be plugged in and not touched until the following morning whereupon I would have another day of using it to make calls and very little gaming because I cannot afford to have the phone die and I cannot plug it in while mobile.

You make no sense.

You go to work and since its just unplugged, no need to charge.

You work and thus can't play with it, so it stays relatively charded and therefore you don't need to charge it in car on way home. (seems unlikely)

Your now at home and won't play it because I guess you won't play a portable device at home, so battery is not important here somehow.

When would you ever play a portable game? Seems to me you don't belong in this thread as you are not part of this market OR you're simply trying to force a pointless arguement.

Fact is, you can use it like a phone now with mobile gaming with no real reason to change anything except maybe have a charger in your car to give you more charging times. Heck I have an extra usb charger to plug into my monitor at work in case I'm playing with my phone a lot over lunches etc.



superchunk said:
dharh said:


And thus I am no longer mobile, it is the end of the day and now at home where non-mobile, thus better, options are to be had. This would be PSVita Phone would be plugged in and not touched until the following morning whereupon I would have another day of using it to make calls and very little gaming because I cannot afford to have the phone die and I cannot plug it in while mobile.

You make no sense.

You go to work and since its just unplugged, no need to charge.

You work and thus can't play with it, so it stays relatively charded and therefore you don't need to charge it in car on way home. (seems unlikely)

Your now at home and won't play it because I guess you won't play a portable device at home, so battery is not important here somehow.

When would you ever play a portable game? Seems to me you don't belong in this thread as you are not part of this market OR you're simply trying to force a pointless arguement.

Fact is, you can use it like a phone now with mobile gaming with no real reason to change anything except maybe have a charger in your car to give you more charging times. Heck I have an extra usb charger to plug into my monitor at work in case I'm playing with my phone a lot over lunches etc.


I do play it at work, where I am mobile much of the day, quite often waiting for stuff 5-15 minutes at a time, the _perfect_ window for mobile games. 

Even going by your scenario where I would charge the device in my car, I wouldn't be driving long enough for any significant charge, less than 10 minutes, so Id still have to charge it at home when I came home from work.

And yes, when im at home I would rather play my home consoles, which their much richer gameplay than most any handheld game has ever had.

The fact is, I have a completely different day than you, one that is not amenable to this thing. But as I said earlier, _if_ they did do it but still had the normal, no phone option with the same form factor as the current PSVita, I would be ok with it. If they had a _only_ phone option, then they would completely lose my business not just because I would hate the form factor but they would also have to guarantee I would not have to charge it at all within at least a 12 hour window of semi active use.

If you didn't want to have a discussion all you had to do was just say, "Thats cool man but I disagree with you." The end.



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dharh said:


I do play it at work, where I am mobile much of the day, quite often waiting for stuff 5-15 minutes at a time, the _perfect_ window for mobile games. 

Even going by your scenario where I would charge the device in my car, I wouldn't be driving long enough for any significant charge, less than 10 minutes, so Id still have to charge it at home when I came home from work.

And yes, when im at home I would rather play my home consoles, which their much richer gameplay than most any handheld game has ever had.

The fact is, I have a completely different day than you, one that is not amenable to this thing. But as I said earlier, _if_ they did do it but still had the normal, no phone option with the same form factor as the current PSVita, I would be ok with it. If they had a _only_ phone option, then they would completely lose my business not just because I would hate the form factor but they would also have to guarantee I would not have to charge it at all within at least a 12 hour window of semi active use.

If you didn't want to have a discussion all you had to do was just say, "Thats cool man but I disagree with you." The end.

ok, I agree not everyone would a like the form factor. I've said that many times actually.

But, I really think that would be the only negative as compared to what exists now. You'd have the same life span with continuous play and if you're worried about a dead phone, well, that's why you have chargers.

Based on your scenario it doesn't sound like to me it would die in the middle of your day and 10mins on a decent quality charger in a car is actually pretty good.

Plus, knowing people who are heavy active users on various smart phones, I see phones that must be charged throughout the day and those people do well based on their habits. There are always extremes in all use cases. My strong feeling is battery life would definitely not be deal breaker.



@superchunk: Give it up mate, no one wants your super awkward thick arse Vita phone that comes with a car charger and solar panels just so you can still make phone calls by 7pm at night.

Like I said, when battery tech is at least 5 times better than it is today I'll buy your Vita Phone.



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JesseDeya said:

@superchunk: Give it up mate, no one wants your super awkward thick arse Vita phone that comes with a car charger and solar panels just so you can still make phone calls by 7pm at night.

Like I said, when battery tech is at least 5 times better than it is today I'll buy your Vita Phone.

Good new for you then:

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/26/envia-claims-breakthrough-in-lithium-ion-battery-cost-and-energy-density/

3 Times the energy density meaning 9 hours for your vita.

And superchunk is right. At the moment there is no reason for someone in the expanded market to buy a vita. Sony needs to sneak their games into the average consumers' hands if they want vita to be successful.

While it's a great system (I'm loving hot shots golf btw), it's not the thing they need to be successful. I'm predicting a phone version sometime next year.



JesseDeya said:

@superchunk: Give it up mate, no one wants your super awkward thick arse Vita phone that comes with a car charger and solar panels just so you can still make phone calls by 7pm at night.

Like I said, when battery tech is at least 5 times better than it is today I'll buy your Vita Phone.


Actually, there are others in this thread that said they'd buy it and your knowledge of batteries currently in smartphones is on the low side. Vita's current battery exists in phones now as well as larger batteries available in other phones.



superchunk said:
JesseDeya said:

@superchunk: Give it up mate, no one wants your super awkward thick arse Vita phone that comes with a car charger and solar panels just so you can still make phone calls by 7pm at night.

Like I said, when battery tech is at least 5 times better than it is today I'll buy your Vita Phone.


Actually, there are others in this thread that said they'd buy it and your knowledge of batteries currently in smartphones is on the low side. Vita's current battery exists in phones now as well as larger batteries available in other phones.

Don't forget the new li-ion developments happening in the US. MIT developed a new carbon method that boast 4x the power storage, and this other company has developed a cathode with 3x the storage.

The latter also boasted that the same size battery with their cathode would be 45% cheaper. No word on the cost of the MIT one.