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Mr Khan on 22 February 2012
jacks81x said:
RolStoppable said:
pezus said:
yinkadare said:

I agree with you.  I don't think most people would say that Toyota makes better cars than BMW because they sell more cars than BMW does. 

Yes, a very good point. But Rol keeps thinking sales = quality so...

Toyota makes good cars for a better price than BMW, that's why they sell more cars. Price is an important factor, because people consider what they get for how much they pay. The fundamental purpose of a car is to get from point A to point B and Toyota's cars do that job just fine.

You can expand this example by bringing Ferrari into the mix. Does this mean that BMW cars are of bad quality now? Certainly not.

Or to put in other words, I am not saying (and I haven't said) sales = quality, I am saying sustained sales indicate the level of consumer satisfaction.

Well, you just made my point.  The Wii does NOT have sustained sales.  Hence customers are NOT satisfied.  Even Iwata has come out and said he isn't happy with the sales of the Wii the past couple years.  

Customers are dissatisfied because Nintendo hasn't been following through on making Wii-type games, a matter that is endogenously Nintendo's problem.



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NintendoPie on 22 February 2012
pezus said:
NintendoPie said:
pezus said:
NintendoPie said:
pezus said:
yinkadare said:
pezus said:
RolStoppable said:
pezus said:
RolStoppable said:

I mean just that. You simply shouldn't assume that a minor sample on the internet is representative of the real world. People get asked about their purchases and if it's worth to buy the thing in question. Or they talk about their purchases without being asked, because they think that they own something awesome. But good people don't tell their friends to spend money on something they aren't really happy with.

Right now in Japan many people aren't happy with their Vita, that's why hardly any good word of mouth spreads. The same thing happened to the 3DS about a year ago. But this is irrelevant for a comparison that looks at the current state of things.

In that case, consumer satisfaction for the Wii is low but that directly stems from a lack of appealing new games. Sales do not determine quality, quality determines sales.  So games is really the main factor here, and it is included above.  

You got that right about the Wii.

The problem with the games category in the article you posted is that it's just the opinon of one single person. Sales however, give us a chance to look at a more general consensus, because every sale represents a person.

This probably requires me to type out a pre-emptive argument when it comes to software sales. There needs to be a distinction made between impulse buy range and purchases that require consideration. So for example, a game like Angry Birds cannot be compared equally to a 3DS/Vita retail game. That's obvious, but I always have to expect Joelcool7 reading my posts.

I simply disagree with you. Things can be utter crap but still sell very well. The correlation between sales and quality is random at best.

I agree with you.  I don't think most people would say that Toyota makes better cars than BMW because they sell more cars than BMW does. 

Yes, a very good point. But Rol keeps thinking sales = quality so...  

It is because sales do = quality. If something wasn't selling well it would most likely be due to lack of quality.

Why? There are millions of other factors that come into play. You're telling me that a movie such as Transformers is better than let's say Godfather/Pulp Fiction/etc? And they didn't have as big a box office because they lacked quality? 

I know there a several (not millions) of other factors but the one metioned by Rol and I is a big one. Why would anyone want to play a game thats just poorly made? It wouldn't sell well because people would be spreading how bad it is and then sales would drop dramatically. 

You can't make an equation like that from an example like you mentioned. What about the great games that don't sell well? What about the bad games that sell a lot?

I can make an equation like that. There are exceptions, Pezus.



yinkadare on 22 February 2012
pezus said:

You can't make an equation like that from an example like you mentioned. What about the great games that don't sell well? What about the bad games that sell a lot?


or really great games that couldn't sell well because they didn't print many copies of.



NintendoPie on 22 February 2012
yinkadare said:
NintendoPie said:
pezus said:
NintendoPie said:
pezus said:
yinkadare said:
pezus said:
RolStoppable said:
pezus said:
RolStoppable said:

I mean just that. You simply shouldn't assume that a minor sample on the internet is representative of the real world. People get asked about their purchases and if it's worth to buy the thing in question. Or they talk about their purchases without being asked, because they think that they own something awesome. But good people don't tell their friends to spend money on something they aren't really happy with.

Right now in Japan many people aren't happy with their Vita, that's why hardly any good word of mouth spreads. The same thing happened to the 3DS about a year ago. But this is irrelevant for a comparison that looks at the current state of things.

In that case, consumer satisfaction for the Wii is low but that directly stems from a lack of appealing new games. Sales do not determine quality, quality determines sales.  So games is really the main factor here, and it is included above.  

You got that right about the Wii.

The problem with the games category in the article you posted is that it's just the opinon of one single person. Sales however, give us a chance to look at a more general consensus, because every sale represents a person.

This probably requires me to type out a pre-emptive argument when it comes to software sales. There needs to be a distinction made between impulse buy range and purchases that require consideration. So for example, a game like Angry Birds cannot be compared equally to a 3DS/Vita retail game. That's obvious, but I always have to expect Joelcool7 reading my posts.

I simply disagree with you. Things can be utter crap but still sell very well. The correlation between sales and quality is random at best.

I agree with you.  I don't think most people would say that Toyota makes better cars than BMW because they sell more cars than BMW does. 

Yes, a very good point. But Rol keeps thinking sales = quality so...  

It is because sales do = quality. If something wasn't selling well it would most likely be due to lack of quality.

Why? There are millions of other factors that come into play. You're telling me that a movie such as Transformers is better than let's say Godfather/Pulp Fiction/etc? And they didn't have as big a box office because they lacked quality? 

I know there a several (not millions) of other factors but the one metioned by Rol and I is a big one. Why would anyone want to play a game thats just poorly made? It wouldn't sell well because people would be spreading how bad it is and then sales would drop dramatically. 

Nobody said the Wii was poorly made, but a game console is useless without the games.  The Wii has not released many quality games the past few years.  So even if I want to play it, I can't coz there are no games worth buying.

You're generalizing the Wii's library. There are tons of good games you they just aren't mainstream. 



yinkadare on 22 February 2012
NintendoPie said:
yinkadare said:
NintendoPie said:
pezus said:
NintendoPie said:
pezus said:
yinkadare said:
pezus said:
RolStoppable said:
pezus said:
RolStoppable said:

I mean just that. You simply shouldn't assume that a minor sample on the internet is representative of the real world. People get asked about their purchases and if it's worth to buy the thing in question. Or they talk about their purchases without being asked, because they think that they own something awesome. But good people don't tell their friends to spend money on something they aren't really happy with.

Right now in Japan many people aren't happy with their Vita, that's why hardly any good word of mouth spreads. The same thing happened to the 3DS about a year ago. But this is irrelevant for a comparison that looks at the current state of things.

In that case, consumer satisfaction for the Wii is low but that directly stems from a lack of appealing new games. Sales do not determine quality, quality determines sales.  So games is really the main factor here, and it is included above.  

You got that right about the Wii.

The problem with the games category in the article you posted is that it's just the opinon of one single person. Sales however, give us a chance to look at a more general consensus, because every sale represents a person.

This probably requires me to type out a pre-emptive argument when it comes to software sales. There needs to be a distinction made between impulse buy range and purchases that require consideration. So for example, a game like Angry Birds cannot be compared equally to a 3DS/Vita retail game. That's obvious, but I always have to expect Joelcool7 reading my posts.

I simply disagree with you. Things can be utter crap but still sell very well. The correlation between sales and quality is random at best.

I agree with you.  I don't think most people would say that Toyota makes better cars than BMW because they sell more cars than BMW does. 

Yes, a very good point. But Rol keeps thinking sales = quality so...  

It is because sales do = quality. If something wasn't selling well it would most likely be due to lack of quality.

Why? There are millions of other factors that come into play. You're telling me that a movie such as Transformers is better than let's say Godfather/Pulp Fiction/etc? And they didn't have as big a box office because they lacked quality? 

I know there a several (not millions) of other factors but the one metioned by Rol and I is a big one. Why would anyone want to play a game thats just poorly made? It wouldn't sell well because people would be spreading how bad it is and then sales would drop dramatically. 

Nobody said the Wii was poorly made, but a game console is useless without the games.  The Wii has not released many quality games the past few years.  So even if I want to play it, I can't coz there are no games worth buying.

You're generalizing the Wii's library. There are tons of good games you they just aren't mainstream. 


Actually, I don't really like mainstream games.  I like the lesser known gems that don't necessarily appeal to the masses.



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NintendoPie on 22 February 2012
pezus said:
NintendoPie said:
yinkadare said:
NintendoPie said:

I know there a several (not millions) of other factors but the one metioned by Rol and I is a big one. Why would anyone want to play a game thats just poorly made? It wouldn't sell well because people would be spreading how bad it is and then sales would drop dramatically. 

Nobody said the Wii was poorly made, but a game console is useless without the games.  The Wii has not released many quality games the past few years.  So even if I want to play it, I can't coz there are no games worth buying.

You're generalizing the Wii's library. There are tons of good games you they just aren't mainstream. 

Okay, but you just said sales = quality so they are clearly not good

Did you not read my last comment?



NintendoPie on 22 February 2012
yinkadare said:
NintendoPie said:
yinkadare said:
NintendoPie said:
pezus said:
NintendoPie said:
pezus said:
yinkadare said:
pezus said:
RolStoppable said:
pezus said:
RolStoppable said:

I mean just that. You simply shouldn't assume that a minor sample on the internet is representative of the real world. People get asked about their purchases and if it's worth to buy the thing in question. Or they talk about their purchases without being asked, because they think that they own something awesome. But good people don't tell their friends to spend money on something they aren't really happy with.

Right now in Japan many people aren't happy with their Vita, that's why hardly any good word of mouth spreads. The same thing happened to the 3DS about a year ago. But this is irrelevant for a comparison that looks at the current state of things.

In that case, consumer satisfaction for the Wii is low but that directly stems from a lack of appealing new games. Sales do not determine quality, quality determines sales.  So games is really the main factor here, and it is included above.  

You got that right about the Wii.

The problem with the games category in the article you posted is that it's just the opinon of one single person. Sales however, give us a chance to look at a more general consensus, because every sale represents a person.

This probably requires me to type out a pre-emptive argument when it comes to software sales. There needs to be a distinction made between impulse buy range and purchases that require consideration. So for example, a game like Angry Birds cannot be compared equally to a 3DS/Vita retail game. That's obvious, but I always have to expect Joelcool7 reading my posts.

I simply disagree with you. Things can be utter crap but still sell very well. The correlation between sales and quality is random at best.

I agree with you.  I don't think most people would say that Toyota makes better cars than BMW because they sell more cars than BMW does. 

Yes, a very good point. But Rol keeps thinking sales = quality so...  

It is because sales do = quality. If something wasn't selling well it would most likely be due to lack of quality.

Why? There are millions of other factors that come into play. You're telling me that a movie such as Transformers is better than let's say Godfather/Pulp Fiction/etc? And they didn't have as big a box office because they lacked quality? 

I know there a several (not millions) of other factors but the one metioned by Rol and I is a big one. Why would anyone want to play a game thats just poorly made? It wouldn't sell well because people would be spreading how bad it is and then sales would drop dramatically. 

Nobody said the Wii was poorly made, but a game console is useless without the games.  The Wii has not released many quality games the past few years.  So even if I want to play it, I can't coz there are no games worth buying.

You're generalizing the Wii's library. There are tons of good games you they just aren't mainstream. 


Actually, I don't really mainstream games.  I like the lesser known gems that don't necessarily appeal to the masses.

Well, then you should have a great time with the Wii's library.



thetonestarr on 22 February 2012
pezus said:
iPhone wins the price category because you can get it on a contract. Am I missing something here?


Nope, I'm 100% entirely in agreement with you in that being bullshit. A two-year contract just to play games is going to eventually run you back a HELL of a lot more, especially since you're typically going to be virtually forced to add a data plan.



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yinkadare on 22 February 2012
NintendoPie said:
yinkadare said:
NintendoPie said:
yinkadare said:
NintendoPie said:
pezus said:
NintendoPie said:
pezus said:
yinkadare said:
pezus said:
RolStoppable said:
pezus said:
RolStoppable said:

I mean just that. You simply shouldn't assume that a minor sample on the internet is representative of the real world. People get asked about their purchases and if it's worth to buy the thing in question. Or they talk about their purchases without being asked, because they think that they own something awesome. But good people don't tell their friends to spend money on something they aren't really happy with.

Right now in Japan many people aren't happy with their Vita, that's why hardly any good word of mouth spreads. The same thing happened to the 3DS about a year ago. But this is irrelevant for a comparison that looks at the current state of things.

In that case, consumer satisfaction for the Wii is low but that directly stems from a lack of appealing new games. Sales do not determine quality, quality determines sales.  So games is really the main factor here, and it is included above.  

You got that right about the Wii.

The problem with the games category in the article you posted is that it's just the opinon of one single person. Sales however, give us a chance to look at a more general consensus, because every sale represents a person.

This probably requires me to type out a pre-emptive argument when it comes to software sales. There needs to be a distinction made between impulse buy range and purchases that require consideration. So for example, a game like Angry Birds cannot be compared equally to a 3DS/Vita retail game. That's obvious, but I always have to expect Joelcool7 reading my posts.

I simply disagree with you. Things can be utter crap but still sell very well. The correlation between sales and quality is random at best.

I agree with you.  I don't think most people would say that Toyota makes better cars than BMW because they sell more cars than BMW does. 

Yes, a very good point. But Rol keeps thinking sales = quality so...  

It is because sales do = quality. If something wasn't selling well it would most likely be due to lack of quality.

Why? There are millions of other factors that come into play. You're telling me that a movie such as Transformers is better than let's say Godfather/Pulp Fiction/etc? And they didn't have as big a box office because they lacked quality? 

I know there a several (not millions) of other factors but the one metioned by Rol and I is a big one. Why would anyone want to play a game thats just poorly made? It wouldn't sell well because people would be spreading how bad it is and then sales would drop dramatically. 

Nobody said the Wii was poorly made, but a game console is useless without the games.  The Wii has not released many quality games the past few years.  So even if I want to play it, I can't coz there are no games worth buying.

You're generalizing the Wii's library. There are tons of good games you they just aren't mainstream. 


Actually, I don't really mainstream games.  I like the lesser known gems that don't necessarily appeal to the masses.

Well, then you should have a great time with the Wii's library.


Except I don't.  Please name me some of these hidden gems that are so good. 



NintendoPie on 22 February 2012
thetonestarr said:
pezus said:
iPhone wins the price category because you can get it on a contract. Am I missing something here?


Nope, I'm 100% entirely in agreement with you in that being bullshit. A two-year contract just to play games is going to eventually run you back a HELL of a lot more, especially since you're typically going to be virtually forced to add a data plan.

Not typically you have to have a data plan to be able to use the phone. It's kind of annoying but there would be practically no use in a smartphone without one.