Hyruken said:
ethomaz said:
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Hyruken said:
Ok you say those numbers are facts so you should have no problem proving them with sources that are not from vgc?
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NPD for US, Nintendo (GFK) for Europe and MC for Japan... all the three tracking services are in line with VGC numbers... GFK Australia showed accuracy with VGC number too.
Nos just expect the Q3 shipment from Microsoft to confirm the overshipped issue.
Thanks.
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At least you bother to mention the sources.
But without wanting this thread to go round and round and round you said "all three tracking services are in line with VGC".
How can you say that about NPD?
For december we had 360 at 2.8m. NPD had it at 1.6m. That is a difference of 1.2m. Or 42%.
Wii at 1.7m and NPD had it at 1m. That is a difference of 700k or 41%.
PS3 at 1.25m and NPD had it at 940k. That is a difference of 310k or 25%
3DS at 2.035m and NPD had it at 1.6m. That is a difference of around 400k etc etc
You could do the same for last months and you would see a similar picture.
SOme of them might be in line (in truth I have not checked so will take your word) but NPD isn't in line.
Which strengthens my point that if your basing your own theory of who won 2011 on vgc numbers then what is to say it isn't out by a lot? Because based on the last two NPD's they are all major over-tracked. Which makes it even harder to determine how much is on shelves in those territories. As I said before there is no real way to determine who won accuratly. And BUSINESS' use shipments as the main sales measurement.
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*face palm* VGC has already adjusted the numbers from NPD so they are already in line, not over or under tracked, there is no massive difference.
Can you possibly comprehend that it's not just Vgchartz numbers vs shipped numbers, it's EVERYBODY'S numbers vs shipped numbers. That's NPD, Media Create, Famitsu, GFK and Nintendo's own internal tracking system. They ALL show a huge difference between what Microsoft shipped and what Microsoft sold. And on top of that to put this in some perspective for you, as things stand using these numbers it shows that in total for 2010 Microsoft shipped 12.1 million consoles, however they ended up selling 13,378,231 consoles to consumers that year, Microsoft and retailers made a big mistake and undershipped for 2010 with the majority of that happening in Oct-Dec and it ate into their supply of consoles in the retail chain almost causing a sell out. To make up for this Microsoft had to replenish the retail chain by overshipping in 2011 and they shipped 14.9 million whilst selling 13,422,253.
When you combine the two years worth of sales you get 27 million shipped and 26,800,484 sold, which works out perfectly. Microsoft undershipped in 2010 and had to balance it out by overshipping in 2011.
For Microsoft to have outsold Sony in 2011 that means they would have had to have sold 600,000~ more xbox360's which in turn would mean that for the past two years Microsoft would have sold 400,000~ more consoles then they actually shipped........... sure that's logical lol.
