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Which Console Developing Company Will Be The Next To Leave The Gaming Industry.

Nintendo 63 11.80%
 
Microsoft Studios 129 24.16%
 
Sony Computer Entertainment 341 63.86%
 
Total:533
freebs2 said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
freebs2 said:
pezus said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Even if Sony were to leave the gaming industry, it wouldn't be the end of PlayStation, they'd sell brand and tech to the Japanese best offerer.

Or to Apple. Dear god...

As much as it hurts me to say. I think, right now, the Apple brand, the Appstore and iTunes are so strong they wouldn't even need or want the Playstaion and the PSN brand (btw. can you imagine Playstation with iOS :( ).

I think Samsung would be the best candidate, in that case.

A good candidate indeed, but I'm sure the Japanese government would do everything possible to keep PlayStation Japanese, so maybe Panasonic or Mitsubishi or Fujitsu, just to name the first three Japanese giants I found that currently enjoy good financials.

Yes, you're probably right, but I can't think of another japanese company who is big and influent enough, or has the resorces, to take Sony's place and compete with the Microsoft giant. (maybe Nintendo ^^). 

Panasonic, for example, makes excellent products but they are sure a lot smaller than Sony, not to mention inxperienced... they have already failed once in the home console market.

Panasonic isn't big enough to buy Sony, but here the hypothesis wasn't of Sony sinking, but just abandoning console gaming and selling the PlayStation business, and Panasonic is big enogh to buy it. Lack of experience could be easily overcome buying Sony's whole PlayStation HW and SW business.

If Panasonic and Fujitsu aren't big enough, Mitsubishi surely is, anyway.

Or Panasonic and Fujitsu, or another big Japanes company, could form a joint venture to acquire the PS brand.

The last possibility I can think about is Sony itself forming a joint venture and rescuing but keeping partial control of PS.



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scottie said:
Rpruett said:
scottie said:
Rpruett said:
 They live and die the most by their systems. Microsoft and Sony have sustainable business elsewhere to prop their companies up if things go South for a generation or two.

 

In reality,  the Wii in my estimate was their last ditch type of console effort.  Crazy far out, Motion controls, bargain basement pricing, backwards compatibility for Gamecube owners.  No worthwhile online network initially, No HD.  Released last.  Priced the cheapest.   One more Gamecube, N64 type generation and a less than favorable handheld generation and I think Nintendo might just be publishing games on a frugile sense.  This generation for Nintendo had all the makings of a console that was built as cheaply as humanly possible, while trying to be as different from its competitors as it could possibly be, because frankly that was the only chance they had.

 

So now you have changed your tune to " They live and die the most by their systems. Microsoft and Sony have sustainable business elsewhere to prop their companies up if things go South for three consecutive generations"

Changed my tune? I said that in my first post.  Lol.

 

Excellent. So lets assume that the Wii U sells 34 M (ie about 30% of the final sales of its predecessor), and lasts for 5 years, that will take us to late 2017, then the Wii U 2 comes out and sells 21 million, leading to the Wii U 3 releasng in late 2022. Assuming it flops as well, then we have hit three consecutive failoures and thus we hypothesise that, as early as the year 2027, Nintendo may leave the home console business by not creating a Wii U 4! The end is imminent.

I never said the end of Nintendo is imminent.  I just said they are the most likely to be the 'next' to leave.  The wild success and profit of the Nintendo Wii has saved Nintendo for a forseeable timeframe in my estimate.  However,  Nintendo has no assets or sustainable business beyond video games.  Where as Microsoft and Sony have far more resources at their disposal for a bad streak of generations. If Sony wanted to adopt a strategy similar to Nintendo, they could produce the components of a PS3.5 at a bargain rate similar to how Nintendo created a GC 2.0 with the Wii.  And it's likely the strategy they would take if it ever came down to it. 


And yes, they only got through the N64 and GC years (making a profit every single year) because of the success of their portables. Well, lucky for Nintendo, the 3DS is to be the fastest selling console to 15 million units ever, by 2 months. Vita hardly looks like it's going to shake that dominance.

What were their profit margins on GC and N64?  I don't care if they ended up in the black if their profits were minimal.  Because that's precisely my point.  Minimal profits means Nintendo can hardly compete moving into the future.  Nintendo needs to make a profit because otherwise they are going to come to a stand still.  They don't have sustainable business beyond gaming.

Sony could drop handhelds tomorrow. That doesn't mean they're going to leave the gaming industry.





Play4Fun said:

.Nintendo has has large amounts of money stacked up and is in no debt unlike Sony. For them to go out of business they would have to fail badly in the handheld market, the console market and have very low software sales in both. They were raking in profits even with the GC.

Again, they are living and dying on the profit margins from these systems.  They don't have any other source of revenue.  They wouldn't be able to sustain themselves into the future in this industry if they weren't making profit or had a backlog to prop them up.

Sony and Microsoft have very different approaches.

Since, Nintendo sells consoles at a profit or very small loss and their software are so universally popular they are currently nowhere near getting out. Even if Wii U only sells 30 million, the console will sell enough hardware and software for them to make nice profits. They don't take big losses on consoles like Sony and MS do. Smart business for a gaming-only company.

They are a  very smart business.  However, if they did release a terd or two of a console and a terd of a handheld and sold a paltry amount, they don't have the sustainability to survive much of that.  It's the same situation as Sega, except they are far better at managing their business.

Based on the current state of the three the only one who would be likely to leave if they failed next gen is Sony. If Vita doesn't do as well as PSP and if they take even more losses with PS4 thanks to stiff competition from MS and Nintendo, that could very well drive them out of the industry. It doesn't matter if they have other branches when those  are not doing well either. If they reach a point where the gaming sector is dragging them down even more, they could very well cut it out (though it would make more sense to cut something else out instead since their gaming sector is one of the most profitable).

Again, as gaming is one of their most profitable sectors (Even in colossal failure that the PS3 generation has been for them), it's completely unfeasible barring Sony going under that they would abandon their gaming division.  Maybe a poor sector of their gaming division (Handhelds?).  

 

MS has large amounts of cash and their long-term goal is to become the entertainment centre of people's living room which they seem to be on the path to currently. So even though they have taken so much loss since coming into the console business, I can't see them getting out unless they reach a point where they have taken so much losses they decide it isn't worth it anymore.

Microsoft isn't immune simply because Microsoft hasn't dipped their feet all the way into the gaming community.  I could see another Xbox type generation really sinking, discouraging them.  MS doesn't have the first party studios like the other two.  They don't need to sustain losses, they could easily drop the gaming division from a business standpoint.

I just think they've provided enough competition in the market to remain viable and they have the money to take some hits and they're a large enough Corporation that can eat these hits to some extent.

 

Nintendo is the most likely to leave the 'Hardware' industry in my opinion because they are the least insulated from poor sales, poor performance, etc.  I don't believe they would abandon creating games and even if they did skip creating Hardware, I believe they would strongly consider publishing games (Like Sega) forging enough profits to build another console.



ugh. I really hope that when Sony leaves the gaming industry that the forums aren't littered with die hard Sony4Life types. It's enough we have to deal with 4 past dwelling Sega fans on this website

But seriously Sony is most likely to exit first. Financially, they are suffering, compared to Microsoft at least.



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Alby_da_Wolf said:
freebs2 said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
freebs2 said:
pezus said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Even if Sony were to leave the gaming industry, it wouldn't be the end of PlayStation, they'd sell brand and tech to the Japanese best offerer.

Or to Apple. Dear god...

As much as it hurts me to say. I think, right now, the Apple brand, the Appstore and iTunes are so strong they wouldn't even need or want the Playstaion and the PSN brand (btw. can you imagine Playstation with iOS :( ).

I think Samsung would be the best candidate, in that case.

A good candidate indeed, but I'm sure the Japanese government would do everything possible to keep PlayStation Japanese, so maybe Panasonic or Mitsubishi or Fujitsu, just to name the first three Japanese giants I found that currently enjoy good financials.

Yes, you're probably right, but I can't think of another japanese company who is big and influent enough, or has the resorces, to take Sony's place and compete with the Microsoft giant. (maybe Nintendo ^^). 

Panasonic, for example, makes excellent products but they are sure a lot smaller than Sony, not to mention inxperienced... they have already failed once in the home console market.

Panasonic isn't big enough to buy Sony, but here the hypothesis wasn't of Sony sinking, but just abandoning console gaming and selling the PlayStation business, and Panasonic is big enogh to buy it. Lack of experience could be easily overcome buying Sony's whole PlayStation HW and SW business.

If Panasonic and Fujitsu aren't big enough, Mitsubishi surely is, anyway.

Or Panasonic and Fujitsu, or another big Japanes company, could form a joint venture to acquire the PS brand.

The last possibility I can think about is Sony itself forming a joint venture and rescuing but keeping partial control of PS.

Yes, you're right. Also the underlined part seems the most likely, that way they would fraction the risk of entering into an hypercompetitive business.

Personally I would like Yamaha corp to enter in an hipotetical joint venture, they are basically excellent in every business they own from Hi-fi / home theater products, to musical instrments and bikes of course. Playstation would become (also) the home for the best rythm/music game, and for the real motorcycling simulator xD.



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Turkish said:
I would say Microsoft, depends on the next gen tho, if it bombs like the first Xbox they will get out of the gaming business.

Wrong, they already said before the 360 launched, if it bombed they would play again. They're clearly in this for the long haul. Not oonly that but if the 720 bombed they would play again, as they know they're capable of turning it around.

It'll be a long long time before any of the big 3 leave by choice. The only way one of them will leave is if they have no other choice.



 

dividePower said:
But for Sony, not too good I'd say. Sony is a massive corporation, where the PlayStation brand is only part of whatever it does: Computers electronics and whatever you have there. But it's been losing money, billions for the past few years. It even sold its TV division to its largest rival Samsung. Coupled with another risky venture with the PS Vita with its less than impressive showing throughout the 3 weeks in Japan, I'd say Sony's facing a pretty big problem this time round. Can it afford to risk continue losing money for the sake of capturing market share in the console market where it only forms part of its corporate structure? I don't know.


The only way Sony loses with Vita is if you buy it without memory card ;)



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I’m more interested to see how Sony can change their fortunes with the PS4. Will they persist with the same razor blade pricing strategy or will they be more conservative with the technical specs this time around. If they do sustain losses on the hardware will they be forced to charge for their online services? If they are more conservative will they attract the same technophiles that lured the current PS3 owners?



Fumanchu said:
I’m more interested to see how Sony can change their fortunes with the PS4. Will they persist with the same razor blade pricing strategy or will they be more conservative with the technical specs this time around. If they do sustain losses on the hardware will they be forced to charge for their online services? If they are more conservative will they attract the same technophiles that lured the current PS3 owners?


I'd bet on same strategy as with PSV - maximum hardware they can put inside console to sell it with small loses at launch while mantaining reasonable price point (400$)



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