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What should have won GOTY?

Skyrim 134 41.74%
 
Uncharted 3 83 25.86%
 
Batman Arkham City 22 6.85%
 
Portal 2 14 4.36%
 
Skyward Sword 67 20.87%
 
Total:320
chocoloco on 14 December 2011
yo_john117 said:
chocoloco said:
ClassicGamingWizzz said:
chocoloco said:
ClassicGamingWizzz said:

I have no problem with complaints, but people are acting like the committed rape on 10,000 Nord woman. Hope the next patch does more of the faults justice.

if they could be more active with community people could stop whinning , but its been more than one month and people lost the patience , next patch will not solve the problem they say, maibe in the end of january  will be fixed .

For whatever reason they are doing the PC patch first too. That sucks, but my bet is on the fact that they are putting most of their efforts into creating downloadable content when they should make it better for the most dedicated fans. The thing is like every corporation they are interested in making money first.

Well it could be that they are working on a PS3 patch but it may be such a hard problem to fix that it's taking them quite a while.

 

But anyways I think Bethesday should give their first big DLC away for free to the PS3 owners as an apology for doing a bad port.

I appreciate your good thoughts towards the PS3 skyrim lovers, but I just do not see it happening. I doubt most people have played the 13 mb or more games yet that trully screw up the game with lag. By January, I probably will not be there yet unless I go on another play rampage like before. I just wish they did not have to water down the graphics at long distances to achieve longer playing times like in the last patch.



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The_Joker_Product on 14 December 2011
Izo said:
The_Joker_Product said:
Izo said:
The_Joker_Product said:
Izo said:
The_Joker_Product said:
Izo said:
The_Joker_Product said:
Izo said:
The_Joker_Product said:
Izo said:
Skyrim more popular then Dark Souls sure. Clearly better? Personal Taste. I'm still excited a rpg won game of the year tho.


Well one has a metacritic of 96 and the other a 89. Id say it appears clearly better to me.


If you think games are better becuase Metacritic says it  thats you. I form my own imperssions  from what I see and play and I haven't even said Dark Souls is better.  Metacritic doesn't dictate anything.  Darksouls deserved to be on GoTY list (In my opinion) but just because people like Skyrim doesn't mean Dark Souls is unworthy.

I never said you said that either, but indiviual gamers opinions mean squat. A metacritic score is based on dozens of professional critics reviews, that does mean alot and going by the scores one game looks to be better than the other one easily. Not that Dark Souls score is poor in its own right though.

These "Professional Critics" are  nothing more then people with opinions. They arent the good game deciding overlords so no Skyrim isn't "Clearly" better.  AND if they were "Professional" they would have been mass talk about the problems it has. Skyrim can be better then Dark Souls in every possible way however it losses in 1 ascept. Dark Souls accutally works as intended. :)

Opinions that influence countless readers decision on buying the game or not. My or your opinion couldnt get thousands of people to buy a game theirs does. Still though it obviously is a better game, hence the better scores, user scores and awards.

Its an opinion that it's a better game not a fact.

It aint a fact that Skyrim is a better game than Big Rigs either but it is.

Opinion =/= fact. Super Mario Galaxy must shit all over Skyrim then because it has a 97.

Nah a 97 on the Wii wouldnt be a 97 on the PS3/360. Just like a 97 on DS wouldnt be as good a game as a 97 on the PS3/360.

A 97 is a 97 its the same reviewers giving these scores so it doesn't matter which platform its on. According to you SMG is a better game then Skyrim no matter what.

Doesnt work that way. GTA Chinatown Wars on DS has a 93, higher than Uncharted 3, God of War 3, Assassins Creed 2 etc but its not as good a game. God of War Chains of Olympus has a 91, the same score as Batman Arkham Asylum, higher than Dark Souls, Fallout 3 and Killzone 2, again its not as good.

They rate them compared to games on that console, itd be unfair to give a DS game a low score because it doesnt compare to PS3 games.

The Wii has terrible games, Super Mario Galaxy stands out amongst them all which is why it gets a 97, but if the same game came out on the PS3 it would not get a 97. Just like had Dead Space 2 come out on Wii first it would have got a much better score than 89.



Izo on 14 December 2011
The_Joker_Product said:
Izo said:
The_Joker_Product said:
Izo said:
The_Joker_Product said:
Izo said:
The_Joker_Product said:
Izo said:
The_Joker_Product said:
Izo said:
The_Joker_Product said:
Izo said:
Skyrim more popular then Dark Souls sure. Clearly better? Personal Taste. I'm still excited a rpg won game of the year tho.


Well one has a metacritic of 96 and the other a 89. Id say it appears clearly better to me.


If you think games are better becuase Metacritic says it  thats you. I form my own imperssions  from what I see and play and I haven't even said Dark Souls is better.  Metacritic doesn't dictate anything.  Darksouls deserved to be on GoTY list (In my opinion) but just because people like Skyrim doesn't mean Dark Souls is unworthy.

I never said you said that either, but indiviual gamers opinions mean squat. A metacritic score is based on dozens of professional critics reviews, that does mean alot and going by the scores one game looks to be better than the other one easily. Not that Dark Souls score is poor in its own right though.

These "Professional Critics" are  nothing more then people with opinions. They arent the good game deciding overlords so no Skyrim isn't "Clearly" better.  AND if they were "Professional" they would have been mass talk about the problems it has. Skyrim can be better then Dark Souls in every possible way however it losses in 1 ascept. Dark Souls accutally works as intended. :)

Opinions that influence countless readers decision on buying the game or not. My or your opinion couldnt get thousands of people to buy a game theirs does. Still though it obviously is a better game, hence the better scores, user scores and awards.

Its an opinion that it's a better game not a fact.

It aint a fact that Skyrim is a better game than Big Rigs either but it is.

Opinion =/= fact. Super Mario Galaxy must shit all over Skyrim then because it has a 97.

Nah a 97 on the Wii wouldnt be a 97 on the PS3/360. Just like a 97 on DS wouldnt be as good a game as a 97 on the PS3/360.

A 97 is a 97 its the same reviewers giving these scores so it doesn't matter which platform its on. According to you SMG is a better game then Skyrim no matter what.

Doesnt work that way. GTA Chinatown Wars on DS has a 93, higher than Uncharted 3, God of War 3, Assassins Creed 2 etc but its not as good a game. God of War Chains of Olympus has a 91, the same score as Batman Arkham Asylum, higher than Dark Souls, Fallout 3 and Killzone 2, again its not as good.

They rate them compared to games on that console, itd be unfair to give a DS game a low score because it doesnt compare to PS3 games.

The Wii has terrible games, Super Mario Galaxy stands out amongst them all which is why it gets a 97, but if the same game came out on the PS3 it would not get a 97. Just like had Dead Space 2 come out on Wii first it would have got a much better score than

This doesn't make any sense when metacritic works for you its fine but if a wii or ds gets a higher score its subject to debate.  Maybe just maybe SMG got a 97 because reviewers thought it was an incredibly great game.  The wii has great games as well as Xbox360 and ps3. Let's not do this dance and admit that scores while they can show critical aclaim cannot prove which game is better. 

What makes a DS or wii game not compete with a ps3 game anyway? If there fun games what does it matter? Graphics?



The_Joker_Product on 14 December 2011
Izo said:
The_Joker_Product said:
Izo said:
The_Joker_Product said:
Izo said:
The_Joker_Product said:
Izo said:
The_Joker_Product said:
Izo said:
The_Joker_Product said:
Izo said:
The_Joker_Product said:
Izo said:
Skyrim more popular then Dark Souls sure. Clearly better? Personal Taste. I'm still excited a rpg won game of the year tho.


Well one has a metacritic of 96 and the other a 89. Id say it appears clearly better to me.


If you think games are better becuase Metacritic says it  thats you. I form my own imperssions  from what I see and play and I haven't even said Dark Souls is better.  Metacritic doesn't dictate anything.  Darksouls deserved to be on GoTY list (In my opinion) but just because people like Skyrim doesn't mean Dark Souls is unworthy.

I never said you said that either, but indiviual gamers opinions mean squat. A metacritic score is based on dozens of professional critics reviews, that does mean alot and going by the scores one game looks to be better than the other one easily. Not that Dark Souls score is poor in its own right though.

These "Professional Critics" are  nothing more then people with opinions. They arent the good game deciding overlords so no Skyrim isn't "Clearly" better.  AND if they were "Professional" they would have been mass talk about the problems it has. Skyrim can be better then Dark Souls in every possible way however it losses in 1 ascept. Dark Souls accutally works as intended. :)

Opinions that influence countless readers decision on buying the game or not. My or your opinion couldnt get thousands of people to buy a game theirs does. Still though it obviously is a better game, hence the better scores, user scores and awards.

Its an opinion that it's a better game not a fact.

It aint a fact that Skyrim is a better game than Big Rigs either but it is.

Opinion =/= fact. Super Mario Galaxy must shit all over Skyrim then because it has a 97.

Nah a 97 on the Wii wouldnt be a 97 on the PS3/360. Just like a 97 on DS wouldnt be as good a game as a 97 on the PS3/360.

A 97 is a 97 its the same reviewers giving these scores so it doesn't matter which platform its on. According to you SMG is a better game then Skyrim no matter what.

Doesnt work that way. GTA Chinatown Wars on DS has a 93, higher than Uncharted 3, God of War 3, Assassins Creed 2 etc but its not as good a game. God of War Chains of Olympus has a 91, the same score as Batman Arkham Asylum, higher than Dark Souls, Fallout 3 and Killzone 2, again its not as good.

They rate them compared to games on that console, itd be unfair to give a DS game a low score because it doesnt compare to PS3 games.

The Wii has terrible games, Super Mario Galaxy stands out amongst them all which is why it gets a 97, but if the same game came out on the PS3 it would not get a 97. Just like had Dead Space 2 come out on Wii first it would have got a much better score than

This doesn't make any sense when metacritic works for you its fine but if a wii or ds gets a higher score its subject to debate.  Maybe just maybe SMG got a 97 because reviewers thought it was an incredibly great game.  The wii has great games as well as Xbox360 and ps3. Let's not do this dance and admit that scores while they can show critical aclaim cannot prove which game is better. 

What makes a DS or wii game not compete with a ps3 game anyway? If there fun games what does it matter? Graphics?

It did get a good game thats why it got a 97. Wouldnt have got a 97 had it been a multiplatform PS3/Xbox game though. Wii has crappy games overall, it has a few that are great but on average they get mixed scores.

Its your opinion that Dark Souls is better, its dozens of critics opinions, thousands of gamers opinions and awards that say Skyrim is better. Its obviously the better game.

Wii and DS games dont compete with PS3 games, not only in graphics but in the multiplayer aspect, getting DLC, overall scale because the Wii or DS couldnt handle something like Red Dead Redemption, controls Wii games like Goldeneye usually have crappy controls and so on.



lestatdark on 14 December 2011
The_Joker_Product said:
Izo said:

Doesnt work that way. GTA Chinatown Wars on DS has a 93, higher than Uncharted 3, God of War 3, Assassins Creed 2 etc but its not as good a game. God of War Chains of Olympus has a 91, the same score as Batman Arkham Asylum, higher than Dark Souls, Fallout 3 and Killzone 2, again its not as good.

They rate them compared to games on that console, itd be unfair to give a DS game a low score because it doesnt compare to PS3 games.

The Wii has terrible games, Super Mario Galaxy stands out amongst them all which is why it gets a 97, but if the same game came out on the PS3 it would not get a 97. Just like had Dead Space 2 come out on Wii first it would have got a much better score than

This doesn't make any sense when metacritic works for you its fine but if a wii or ds gets a higher score its subject to debate.  Maybe just maybe SMG got a 97 because reviewers thought it was an incredibly great game.  The wii has great games as well as Xbox360 and ps3. Let's not do this dance and admit that scores while they can show critical aclaim cannot prove which game is better. 

What makes a DS or wii game not compete with a ps3 game anyway? If there fun games what does it matter? Graphics?

It did get a good game thats why it got a 97. Wouldnt have got a 97 had it been a multiplatform PS3/Xbox game though. Wii has crappy games overall, it has a few that are great but on average they get mixed scores.

Its your opinion that Dark Souls is better, its dozens of critics opinions, thousands of gamers opinions and awards that say Skyrim is better. Its obviously the better game.

Wii and DS games dont compete with PS3 games, not only in graphics but in the multiplayer aspect, getting DLC, overall scale because the Wii or DS couldnt handle something like Red Dead Redemption, controls Wii games like Goldeneye usually have crappy controls and so on.

Is that so? 

Oddly, some of the most succesful MP games this generation are DS games. Or are you counting out Pokemon and Mario Kart out just because? DLC is now a benchmark to measure games? That's twisted, to say the least, but DS games do have DLC too, especially DQIX. 

Overall Scale? There are few games on both the PS3 and 360 that have the scale of DQIX and from what it looks like, DQX for the Wii is to surpass it. If you want to talk about open ended games like RDR or Skyrim, then bear in mind that no game has had the scale of ES:Daggerfall and no game for the PS3 or 360 will ever have and Daggerfall was made on 1996. 

Also your second phrase is a contradiction in itself. If game critics consider Wii, DS or any console game to be better than any "HD" game, then why shouldn't those games compete between themselves? That's an one-sided argument that holds no validity whatsoever and caters only to the popularity of home consoles over the rest of the field which is not a measuring stick for quality. 

It's a fact that the DS and Wii both have crappy games (just like the PS3 and 360 have, by the handfull), but both also have some of the best games of this generation, whether you like it or not.



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Izo on 14 December 2011
lestatdark said:
The_Joker_Product said:
Izo said:

Doesnt work that way. GTA Chinatown Wars on DS has a 93, higher than Uncharted 3, God of War 3, Assassins Creed 2 etc but its not as good a game. God of War Chains of Olympus has a 91, the same score as Batman Arkham Asylum, higher than Dark Souls, Fallout 3 and Killzone 2, again its not as good.

They rate them compared to games on that console, itd be unfair to give a DS game a low score because it doesnt compare to PS3 games.

The Wii has terrible games, Super Mario Galaxy stands out amongst them all which is why it gets a 97, but if the same game came out on the PS3 it would not get a 97. Just like had Dead Space 2 come out on Wii first it would have got a much better score than

This doesn't make any sense when metacritic works for you its fine but if a wii or ds gets a higher score its subject to debate.  Maybe just maybe SMG got a 97 because reviewers thought it was an incredibly great game.  The wii has great games as well as Xbox360 and ps3. Let's not do this dance and admit that scores while they can show critical aclaim cannot prove which game is better. 

What makes a DS or wii game not compete with a ps3 game anyway? If there fun games what does it matter? Graphics?

It did get a good game thats why it got a 97. Wouldnt have got a 97 had it been a multiplatform PS3/Xbox game though. Wii has crappy games overall, it has a few that are great but on average they get mixed scores.

Its your opinion that Dark Souls is better, its dozens of critics opinions, thousands of gamers opinions and awards that say Skyrim is better. Its obviously the better game.

Wii and DS games dont compete with PS3 games, not only in graphics but in the multiplayer aspect, getting DLC, overall scale because the Wii or DS couldnt handle something like Red Dead Redemption, controls Wii games like Goldeneye usually have crappy controls and so on.

Is that so? 

Oddly, some of the most succesful MP games this generation are DS games. Or are you counting out Pokemon and Mario Kart out just because? DLC is now a benchmark to measure games? That's twisted, to say the least, but DS games do have DLC too, especially DQIX. 

Overall Scale? There are few games on both the PS3 and 360 that have the scale of DQIX and from what it looks like, DQX for the Wii is to surpass it. If you want to talk about open ended games like RDR or Skyrim, then bear in mind that no game has had the scale of ES:Daggerfall and no game for the PS3 or 360 will ever have and Daggerfall was made on 1996. 

Also your second phrase is a contradiction in itself. If game critics consider Wii, DS or any console game to be better than any "HD" game, then why shouldn't those games compete between themselves? That's an one-sided argument that holds no validity whatsoever and caters only to the popularity of home consoles over the rest of the field which is not a measuring stick for quality. 

It's a fact that the DS and Wii both have crappy games (just like the PS3 and 360 have, by the handfull), but both also have some of the best games of this generation, whether you like it or not.

It all comes down to this Skyrim is a popular game with critical acclaim but it doesn't mean its auto better then everything with a lower score and it doesn't mean wii or DS are auto better if they have a higher one. Its personal prefrence. Skyrim looks like a great game with quality and Dark Souls is the same.



The_Joker_Product on 14 December 2011
lestatdark said:
The_Joker_Product said:
Izo said:

Doesnt work that way. GTA Chinatown Wars on DS has a 93, higher than Uncharted 3, God of War 3, Assassins Creed 2 etc but its not as good a game. God of War Chains of Olympus has a 91, the same score as Batman Arkham Asylum, higher than Dark Souls, Fallout 3 and Killzone 2, again its not as good.

They rate them compared to games on that console, itd be unfair to give a DS game a low score because it doesnt compare to PS3 games.

The Wii has terrible games, Super Mario Galaxy stands out amongst them all which is why it gets a 97, but if the same game came out on the PS3 it would not get a 97. Just like had Dead Space 2 come out on Wii first it would have got a much better score than

This doesn't make any sense when metacritic works for you its fine but if a wii or ds gets a higher score its subject to debate.  Maybe just maybe SMG got a 97 because reviewers thought it was an incredibly great game.  The wii has great games as well as Xbox360 and ps3. Let's not do this dance and admit that scores while they can show critical aclaim cannot prove which game is better. 

What makes a DS or wii game not compete with a ps3 game anyway? If there fun games what does it matter? Graphics?

It did get a good game thats why it got a 97. Wouldnt have got a 97 had it been a multiplatform PS3/Xbox game though. Wii has crappy games overall, it has a few that are great but on average they get mixed scores.

Its your opinion that Dark Souls is better, its dozens of critics opinions, thousands of gamers opinions and awards that say Skyrim is better. Its obviously the better game.

Wii and DS games dont compete with PS3 games, not only in graphics but in the multiplayer aspect, getting DLC, overall scale because the Wii or DS couldnt handle something like Red Dead Redemption, controls Wii games like Goldeneye usually have crappy controls and so on.

Is that so? 

Oddly, some of the most succesful MP games this generation are DS games. Or are you counting out Pokemon and Mario Kart out just because? DLC is now a benchmark to measure games? That's twisted, to say the least, but DS games do have DLC too, especially DQIX. 

Overall Scale? There are few games on both the PS3 and 360 that have the scale of DQIX and from what it looks like, DQX for the Wii is to surpass it. If you want to talk about open ended games like RDR or Skyrim, then bear in mind that no game has had the scale of ES:Daggerfall and no game for the PS3 or 360 will ever have and Daggerfall was made on 1996. 

Also your second phrase is a contradiction in itself. If game critics consider Wii, DS or any console game to be better than any "HD" game, then why shouldn't those games compete between themselves? That's an one-sided argument that holds no validity whatsoever and caters only to the popularity of home consoles over the rest of the field which is not a measuring stick for quality. 

It's a fact that the DS and Wii both have crappy games (just like the PS3 and 360 have, by the handfull), but both also have some of the best games of this generation, whether you like it or not.

I was talking to the other guy.



The_Joker_Product on 14 December 2011
Izo said:
lestatdark said:
The_Joker_Product said:
Izo said:

Doesnt work that way. GTA Chinatown Wars on DS has a 93, higher than Uncharted 3, God of War 3, Assassins Creed 2 etc but its not as good a game. God of War Chains of Olympus has a 91, the same score as Batman Arkham Asylum, higher than Dark Souls, Fallout 3 and Killzone 2, again its not as good.

They rate them compared to games on that console, itd be unfair to give a DS game a low score because it doesnt compare to PS3 games.

The Wii has terrible games, Super Mario Galaxy stands out amongst them all which is why it gets a 97, but if the same game came out on the PS3 it would not get a 97. Just like had Dead Space 2 come out on Wii first it would have got a much better score than

This doesn't make any sense when metacritic works for you its fine but if a wii or ds gets a higher score its subject to debate.  Maybe just maybe SMG got a 97 because reviewers thought it was an incredibly great game.  The wii has great games as well as Xbox360 and ps3. Let's not do this dance and admit that scores while they can show critical aclaim cannot prove which game is better. 

What makes a DS or wii game not compete with a ps3 game anyway? If there fun games what does it matter? Graphics?

It did get a good game thats why it got a 97. Wouldnt have got a 97 had it been a multiplatform PS3/Xbox game though. Wii has crappy games overall, it has a few that are great but on average they get mixed scores.

Its your opinion that Dark Souls is better, its dozens of critics opinions, thousands of gamers opinions and awards that say Skyrim is better. Its obviously the better game.

Wii and DS games dont compete with PS3 games, not only in graphics but in the multiplayer aspect, getting DLC, overall scale because the Wii or DS couldnt handle something like Red Dead Redemption, controls Wii games like Goldeneye usually have crappy controls and so on.

Is that so? 

Oddly, some of the most succesful MP games this generation are DS games. Or are you counting out Pokemon and Mario Kart out just because? DLC is now a benchmark to measure games? That's twisted, to say the least, but DS games do have DLC too, especially DQIX. 

Overall Scale? There are few games on both the PS3 and 360 that have the scale of DQIX and from what it looks like, DQX for the Wii is to surpass it. If you want to talk about open ended games like RDR or Skyrim, then bear in mind that no game has had the scale of ES:Daggerfall and no game for the PS3 or 360 will ever have and Daggerfall was made on 1996. 

Also your second phrase is a contradiction in itself. If game critics consider Wii, DS or any console game to be better than any "HD" game, then why shouldn't those games compete between themselves? That's an one-sided argument that holds no validity whatsoever and caters only to the popularity of home consoles over the rest of the field which is not a measuring stick for quality. 

It's a fact that the DS and Wii both have crappy games (just like the PS3 and 360 have, by the handfull), but both also have some of the best games of this generation, whether you like it or not.

It all comes down to this Skyrim is a popular game with critical acclaim but it doesn't mean its auto better then everything with a lower score and it doesn't mean wii or DS are auto better if they have a higher one. Its personal prefrence. Skyrim looks like a great game with quality and Dark Souls is the same.

Not automatically better than everything below it, some games have a lower critic score but make up for having a higher user score. It has a higher score than Metal gear Solid 4 but Skyrims user score is 8.5 and MGS4's is 8.9. Dark Souls doesnt beat out Skyrim in either.



Izo on 14 December 2011
The_Joker_Product said:
Izo said:
lestatdark said:
The_Joker_Product said:
Izo said:

Doesnt work that way. GTA Chinatown Wars on DS has a 93, higher than Uncharted 3, God of War 3, Assassins Creed 2 etc but its not as good a game. God of War Chains of Olympus has a 91, the same score as Batman Arkham Asylum, higher than Dark Souls, Fallout 3 and Killzone 2, again its not as good.

They rate them compared to games on that console, itd be unfair to give a DS game a low score because it doesnt compare to PS3 games.

The Wii has terrible games, Super Mario Galaxy stands out amongst them all which is why it gets a 97, but if the same game came out on the PS3 it would not get a 97. Just like had Dead Space 2 come out on Wii first it would have got a much better score than

This doesn't make any sense when metacritic works for you its fine but if a wii or ds gets a higher score its subject to debate.  Maybe just maybe SMG got a 97 because reviewers thought it was an incredibly great game.  The wii has great games as well as Xbox360 and ps3. Let's not do this dance and admit that scores while they can show critical aclaim cannot prove which game is better. 

What makes a DS or wii game not compete with a ps3 game anyway? If there fun games what does it matter? Graphics?

It did get a good game thats why it got a 97. Wouldnt have got a 97 had it been a multiplatform PS3/Xbox game though. Wii has crappy games overall, it has a few that are great but on average they get mixed scores.

Its your opinion that Dark Souls is better, its dozens of critics opinions, thousands of gamers opinions and awards that say Skyrim is better. Its obviously the better game.

Wii and DS games dont compete with PS3 games, not only in graphics but in the multiplayer aspect, getting DLC, overall scale because the Wii or DS couldnt handle something like Red Dead Redemption, controls Wii games like Goldeneye usually have crappy controls and so on.

Is that so? 

Oddly, some of the most succesful MP games this generation are DS games. Or are you counting out Pokemon and Mario Kart out just because? DLC is now a benchmark to measure games? That's twisted, to say the least, but DS games do have DLC too, especially DQIX. 

Overall Scale? There are few games on both the PS3 and 360 that have the scale of DQIX and from what it looks like, DQX for the Wii is to surpass it. If you want to talk about open ended games like RDR or Skyrim, then bear in mind that no game has had the scale of ES:Daggerfall and no game for the PS3 or 360 will ever have and Daggerfall was made on 1996. 

Also your second phrase is a contradiction in itself. If game critics consider Wii, DS or any console game to be better than any "HD" game, then why shouldn't those games compete between themselves? That's an one-sided argument that holds no validity whatsoever and caters only to the popularity of home consoles over the rest of the field which is not a measuring stick for quality. 

It's a fact that the DS and Wii both have crappy games (just like the PS3 and 360 have, by the handfull), but both also have some of the best games of this generation, whether you like it or not.

It all comes down to this Skyrim is a popular game with critical acclaim but it doesn't mean its auto better then everything with a lower score and it doesn't mean wii or DS are auto better if they have a higher one. Its personal prefrence. Skyrim looks like a great game with quality and Dark Souls is the same.

Not automatically better than everything below it, some games have a lower critic score but make up for having a higher user score. It has a higher score than Metal gear Solid 4 but Skyrims user score is 8.5 and MGS4's is 8.9. Dark Souls doesnt beat out Skyrim in either.

Your to worried about the score of critics. There opinions nothing more.



The_Joker_Product on 14 December 2011
Izo said:
The_Joker_Product said:
Izo said:
lestatdark said:
The_Joker_Product said:
Izo said:

Doesnt work that way. GTA Chinatown Wars on DS has a 93, higher than Uncharted 3, God of War 3, Assassins Creed 2 etc but its not as good a game. God of War Chains of Olympus has a 91, the same score as Batman Arkham Asylum, higher than Dark Souls, Fallout 3 and Killzone 2, again its not as good.

They rate them compared to games on that console, itd be unfair to give a DS game a low score because it doesnt compare to PS3 games.

The Wii has terrible games, Super Mario Galaxy stands out amongst them all which is why it gets a 97, but if the same game came out on the PS3 it would not get a 97. Just like had Dead Space 2 come out on Wii first it would have got a much better score than

This doesn't make any sense when metacritic works for you its fine but if a wii or ds gets a higher score its subject to debate.  Maybe just maybe SMG got a 97 because reviewers thought it was an incredibly great game.  The wii has great games as well as Xbox360 and ps3. Let's not do this dance and admit that scores while they can show critical aclaim cannot prove which game is better. 

What makes a DS or wii game not compete with a ps3 game anyway? If there fun games what does it matter? Graphics?

It did get a good game thats why it got a 97. Wouldnt have got a 97 had it been a multiplatform PS3/Xbox game though. Wii has crappy games overall, it has a few that are great but on average they get mixed scores.

Its your opinion that Dark Souls is better, its dozens of critics opinions, thousands of gamers opinions and awards that say Skyrim is better. Its obviously the better game.

Wii and DS games dont compete with PS3 games, not only in graphics but in the multiplayer aspect, getting DLC, overall scale because the Wii or DS couldnt handle something like Red Dead Redemption, controls Wii games like Goldeneye usually have crappy controls and so on.

Is that so? 

Oddly, some of the most succesful MP games this generation are DS games. Or are you counting out Pokemon and Mario Kart out just because? DLC is now a benchmark to measure games? That's twisted, to say the least, but DS games do have DLC too, especially DQIX. 

Overall Scale? There are few games on both the PS3 and 360 that have the scale of DQIX and from what it looks like, DQX for the Wii is to surpass it. If you want to talk about open ended games like RDR or Skyrim, then bear in mind that no game has had the scale of ES:Daggerfall and no game for the PS3 or 360 will ever have and Daggerfall was made on 1996. 

Also your second phrase is a contradiction in itself. If game critics consider Wii, DS or any console game to be better than any "HD" game, then why shouldn't those games compete between themselves? That's an one-sided argument that holds no validity whatsoever and caters only to the popularity of home consoles over the rest of the field which is not a measuring stick for quality. 

It's a fact that the DS and Wii both have crappy games (just like the PS3 and 360 have, by the handfull), but both also have some of the best games of this generation, whether you like it or not.

It all comes down to this Skyrim is a popular game with critical acclaim but it doesn't mean its auto better then everything with a lower score and it doesn't mean wii or DS are auto better if they have a higher one. Its personal prefrence. Skyrim looks like a great game with quality and Dark Souls is the same.

Not automatically better than everything below it, some games have a lower critic score but make up for having a higher user score. It has a higher score than Metal gear Solid 4 but Skyrims user score is 8.5 and MGS4's is 8.9. Dark Souls doesnt beat out Skyrim in either.

Your to worried about the score of critics. There opinions nothing more.

I actually dont care what the scores are, you couldnt pay me to play Skryim. Everythings an opinion, but by that logic nothing is ever going to be better than anything.