The Xbox was a calculated loss to get its foot in the door for the 360. The xbox also actually had decent software sales where the PSP doesn't.

There were a lot of things going, and still going agaisnt the PSP: The price, only selling bundles the first few months, the software, the lack of an additional "nub," battery life, and of course the dreaded UMD.

well the way the xbox made the way ready for the 360 so does the psp for the psp2

Oh, oh really? Because last time I checked this thread was about whether there would be a PSP2 based on the PSP's success, not whether or not Mr.Mafoo was happy with the PSP.

This thread posed the question: "Would there be a PSP2 based on the PSP's performance?"

You responded: "Yes, because the PSP was a success!"

I countered: "No, the PSP was not a success for Sony as it achieved nothing they were hoping it would."

You responded: "Well I don't care what Sony wants, I care what I want!"

Do you not see the backwardness of your logic here? You don't decide if there will be a PSP2 so your opinion is not relevant to the question at hand here. The minority does not move the world if there is not enough of them and as far as PSP owners who buy games go, trust me, there aren't enough. Even if the PSP is making a profit, is it enough of a profit to warrant the trouble of managing it or devoting resources towards it? Is it really worth making a successor to a console with third party support reaching on par with the Wonderswan?

Do you want a PSP successor so badly you'll turn a blind eye to the truth or is there a gene in certain people that only allows them to digest certain facts?

Considering the PSP is doing far worse now than when it launched, I would have to say no. The Xbox built up its game library and software sales over the course of its life. The PSP has not only gone on to lose the battle for UMD's place in the market but has lost virtually all third party support which was more than abundant when it launched and has had progressively declining software sales ever since.

The Xbox built up an empire from nothing, the PSP was a handheld with perhaps the most promise and anticipation of any handheld ever seen with full third party support and threw it all away becoming a novelty media device at rave parties and night club scenes.

The argument presented for its success is based on what the DS is doing. If there was no DS, and the PSP sales at the end of its life were 50 million, would we be calling it a success? I say we would, even with the game sales.

Now the next time around Sony will do a lot of stuff better (like no UMD), but what the PSP does for Sony makes it worth keeping the brand.

It provides gaming to a market that if the PSP did not exist, would not have a device to fulfill its needs.

It, I believe, improved Sony’s image. It’s by far the higher tech device of all the handhelds, thus helping Sony sell itself to the world as the “more technically advanced company”

It sells PS3’s. Probably not many, but it at lease sells some of them.

It’s the first Handheld they have ever made. Nintendo has been making them for 20 years. I am sure a lot of the shortcoming will be resolved in the second go-round.

The PSP is doing poorly in software sales no matter how you slice it. Its attach rate is attrocious. DS or not, it would most likely still be facing this similar problem. You can't blame this on Nintendo as if they've raised the bar when the PSP fails to meet even the lowest of standards in software sales. And if your argument is indeed that the DS is preventing the PSP from being a true success then how in God's name do you plan on the PSP2 rectifying that situation?

I'm sorry the DS is not to your liking, I guess you, like many others will just end up a lapsed gamer at the end of this generation. You have my sympathy.

??? psp doing worse??? may i have your source

Definatly looking at a psp2 in late 09 or 2010

Whether the PSP failed to take over the market from Nintendo, failed to drive UMD to mass market adoption, or ha low software sales, it is making money for Sony and does indeed have mass appeal, so yes, there will be a PSP2, whether some of the people in this thread like it or not.

If the PSP is a failure, then so is the Xbox 360. The latter sells moderately well in one region, poorly in Europe, and nothing in Japan. MS has managed to squander every advantage that it had by launching early and in due part lost its lead in less than a year. It lacks any and all mass appeal and is selling at a pretty slow rate overall.

To say that it "built an empire from nothing" is absurd. The 360 only recently started selling more than the first Xbox and it's still not turning a profit for MS. It may have good software sales, but that really means nothing in light of the above because all it's doing is making money for third-party developers, not MS. The PSP may have come short of Sony's expectations, but so has the 360 for MS. IT was supposed to have sold ten million by the launch of the PS3 and Wii, didn't happen. MS revised this to the end of 2006, didn't happen. As a matter of fact, it didn't do so until last summer. The 360 was supposed to gain a foothold in Japan and has thus far failed miserable in that department, and I'm sure MS had higher hopes for its sales in Europe, but it's dead last there as well with the PS3 even having higher software sales in that particular region. Despite falling hardware costs, the 360 has still posted a net loss and is just managing a profitable quarter which is most likely due to Halo 3. MS will probably post another loss next quarter after 360 sales drop off as spring and summer approach.

Even if the 360 does maintain its lead over the PS3 for the rest of the generation, it will still end up a distant, unprofitable second(a distant, unprofitable fourth if you count the handhelds) which is just what it was last generation. That being said, it's gone nowhere and is only still around because of MS's ability to pour money down a bottomless hole. I'd certainly hate to be in charge of that empire.

The PSP is the only console not made by Nintendo to have decent sales everywhere and appeal to all demographics whereas the 360 appeals only to the core and hardcore gamers in N. America. Software sales mean dick when you can't make money and two regions basically refuse to buy your product regardless of price or game library.

Edit: And like Kirby007, I'd like to see some sources for the PSP doing worse now than it was in the beginning.