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Oh, I just wanted to add that I too think it would be WAY cool if dual format players hit the market at a lower cost.  It would certainly help those of us with HD-DVD libraries as well as Blu-Ray and REALLY help those who invested heavily in HD-DVD.  I actually had hoped that before the format war ended, dual players would actually become the 'norm.'  

Unfortunately, there wasn't enough difference between the two competing formats to justify keeping them both on the market.  Neither has a compelling advantage that would make it suited to one area while the other dominated another area.  Nor do I think it's likely that company's will be eager to make cheap dual format players.  For hardware companies, dual players are more expensive to produce and there aren't enough HD player adopters out there to buy the products and drive those costs down.  For the studios, I don't think they'd like that idea at all.  I'm sure they'd all rather sell us new versions of those movies so that you're forced to keep an HD-DVD player around while they're available (which still could be a long time if HD-DVD somehow finds a way to keep itself a niche player like Beta-max did) or else pay the studio again for a BD version.  They just make more money that way and sadly for the consumer, that's the way the studios are more likely to go.

 Still, here's to hoping!  I'd always wanted one unit to play both, fully featured and for a DECENT price unlike what's currently available.  There are always possibilities! 



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Dual players would be good if they shared their features with both formats. As in both blu-ray and HD-DVD would have downloadable firmware, and have web features.



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i think people are just saying the same thing over and over again


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redisrad said:
but lets say the dual player become the standard. well that means both sides of the formate war will have to buy a new player to play all the movies. also they will cost more then both hd player standalones. also there would be less shelf space because both formates would have to share. so it would just make more since to go blu because bluray has like 10 time more players out there. and would make more since to make the 10% of hd dvd owner mad, 90% of bluray owners mad or 100% of them mad because dual is the standard.

It's the prospect of rebuying media that sucks. DVD players I've had a bunch, but I've never repurchased a single DVD, of which I own many dozens. I may rebuy less than a handful of those in HD (those where I really do give a damn about picture quality), and I'm holding on buying exactly one DVD, cause I'd like to have it in HD.

I don't like to repurchase stuff I (supposedly) own, so I've come to appreciate the tradition brought forth by 12 cm disc media, where support for new formats has always been added to players, and never dropped. To me, and most people I know at least, backwards compatibility is even more important in music and movies than in games. Apart from gifts, I only buy stuff for its replay value: otherwise I'll just rent. Playing this stuff down the road is essencial, otherwise video-on-demand rentals would do just fine.


 

 its not just sony that makes bluray player. and for hddvd it many toshiba that makes it



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Blu-ray hasn't won yet. It no longer has a viable competitor but it has an even greater challenge ahead of it, mainstream acceptance. Right now the average consumer is satisfied with the standard DVD format and most of them look at a new format as another entertainment industry rip-off. (even worse than a Rob Schneider movie!)

"It's just another way to make me buy those 200 movies I already bought all over again for even more money."

Regardless of the Sony loyalist spin, that is the mainstream mindset and Sony has a long way to go to change it. (if ever)



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NinjaguyDan said:
Blu-ray hasn't won yet. It no longer has a viable competitor but it has an even greater challenge ahead of it, mainstream acceptance. Right now the average consumer is satisfied with the standard DVD format and most of them look at a new format as another entertainment industry rip-off. (even worse than a Rob Schneider movie!)

"It's just another way to make me buy those 200 movies I already bought all over again for even more money."

Regardless of the Sony loyalist spin, that is the mainstream mindset and Sony has a long way to go to change it. (if ever)

 they dont force you to buy the new movies over again. this has already been said that you can play dvd on you bluray player. if you want better picture quality then you can rebuy it but they force you to buy it.



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LordTheNightKnight said:
makingmusic476 said:
SuperDave said:
@op because years from now when there's only 1 format(presumably) I'd rather that format be controlled by a company other then Sony. This of course, has nothing to do with Nintendo vs Sony or any of that jibberish, it's simply that Sony has a history for overcharging for hardware and if they have a monopoly over the high def formats, we'll continue to overpay......simple as that imo.

Where do people get the idea that Blu-Ray is controlled by Sony? The BDA consists of over 170 companies, and Panasonic holds more patents in Blu-Ray tech than Sony. This is hardly Sony's format.


Where do people get the idea Microsoft controls HD-DVD?


People actually think that? Lol, I could see possibly Toshiba, but MS?  MS doesn't give a crap about HD DVD.



redisrad said:
NinjaguyDan said:
Blu-ray hasn't won yet. It no longer has a viable competitor but it has an even greater challenge ahead of it, mainstream acceptance. Right now the average consumer is satisfied with the standard DVD format and most of them look at a new format as another entertainment industry rip-off. (even worse than a Rob Schneider movie!)

"It's just another way to make me buy those 200 movies I already bought all over again for even more money."

Regardless of the Sony loyalist spin, that is the mainstream mindset and Sony has a long way to go to change it. (if ever)

they dont force you to buy the new movies over again. this has already been said that you can play dvd on you bluray player. if you want better picture quality then you can rebuy it but they force you to buy it.


exactly.  I plan to only buy new releases.  I am not replacing my immense dvd collection.  Upscaled dvds still look good on my HDTV and the PS3 is a very good DVD player as well as being among the best blu-ray players. 



madskillz said:
I support HD DVD over Blu Ray for a few reasons.

First, I enjoy having the extra Web content in movies. Like in Transformers - during certain scenes, you can access Web content that gives more in-depth look at items, more than the director's commentary can provide.

Second, I have been importing VCDs for years - and not having to worry about region coding thrilled me. I haven't bought any foreign HD DVDs yet, but planned on it when the price came down enough. And besides, I can get quite a few BR titles on HD DVD overseas.

Third, I wasn't impressed by the pricing of the HD players. When I was able to get 9 free HD DVDs and a $99 player, I had no choice but to hop in.

Lastly, I am not thrilled with the prospect of buying into a format that is still trying to find its way. That would be Blu Ray. They are still trying to implement features into their players that are standard in HD DVD players. And I could care less about the storage capacity. It can all be changed with a firmware update.

Do I plan to sell my 360 add-on or HD DVD player anytime soon? Nah. I enjoy it thoroughly. I also have no plans to go Blu unless I buy a 60gb PS3 with full BC. That is the only way I will go Blu soon. Maybe if there's a $99 BR player, but that is quite a ways off.

1.  Blu-ray java special features should equal HDi at least.  

2.  Region coding is not yet an issue and Japan is the same region as the US.

3.  Pricing is $50-$100 off now and dropping.  The bonus is that the best blu-ray player under probably $1000 is a great piece of electronics called the PS3, which does a lot of other things such as serve as a media server that streams files from your PC (divx/xvid now supported).

4.   HD-DVD storage capacity has shown no real signs that it was to increase any time soon, but you say a firmware update would be good enough?  That's odd, because the PS3 and all new blu-ray players can implement firmware updates and that's how they are "finding its way."

You are going to be severely limited by what movies you can watch on that hd-dvd player you have, so I find it very odd you are so against buying a blu-ray player.  The 80GB PS3 plays a higher percentage of PS2 games than the 360 plays xbox 1 games, so I wouldn't worry about that, either. 



JHawkNH said:
Tell you what, when a BluRay play drops below $200 I won't care which format wins. But if HD DVD was to die today, you wouldn't see a sub $200 BluRay player for at least two years. The compatition between the two formats has brought down prices to mass market appeal.

I'm sure Samsung, Panasonic, Sharp, Sony, etc won't want to sell more blu-ray players now that they have no competition in the form of HD-DVD.  Nope, they will just keep their players at the price they are and not try to outdo each other like they do for every other technology they sell products for.

It'll be the same as DVD.  No company tries to release a better product for DVDs because there is no other format.

Ugh...