I don't think you quite understand what I'm saying. We have discussed this at length on Blu-Ray.com and HighDefDigest. Both formats have had ample space for an encode of just about any average size film released yet. Because of this, size is a secondary concern (as well as extras), so the movies are encoded with bitrate only in mind. Because HD DVD has a much lower average bitrate than Blu-Ray, Warner has been encoding their movies to take advantage of HD DVD's bitrates, and simply porting the encode over to BR, wasting BR's higher bitrate levels. If the HD DVD version was removed from the equation, then Warner/NL would be free to take advantage of Blu-Ray's higher bitrates, as NL has already done with Shoot 'Em Up. Disc space isn't an issue. If it was Warner would be using Dolby TrueHD or Dolby MA instead of uncompressed PCM for their BR releases.

If anything, a 4 hour epic like LotR would be even more constrained by HD DVD, so if NL was forced to cater to the lowest common denominator - HD DVD - the encode would not look near as good as it would if they encoded it strictly for Blu-Ray. And I'm pretty sure NL wouldn't mind throwing as many discs at LotR as necessary, given WB's release of Blade Runner.  These are some of the biggest catalog titles out there.

I just noticed the last line of your post. Are you perhaps confusing "encodes" with "codecs"? Both formats you the same codecs (mpeg-2, VC-1, Mpeg-4/AVC). The encode is simply the end result, encoding a film via a certain codec, at certain bitrates, taking up a certain amount of space. A Blu-Ray specific encode could use the same codec as an HD DVD encode, but still have higher average bitrates, and much higher peak bitrates during more intensive scenes, thus resulting in better PQ and AQ. Althoguh I would hope that Warner would switch to AVC, as many reviewers have said that they tend to favor the PQ of AVC releases. I hear HD DVD studios are only using VC-1 because of subsidies from MS anywho, and I assume those will soon be put to an end for Warner.

Doubting is not the same as they can't do it. Considering the interest in any response to this, I would think some would give them room, even if there is nothing substantial to say.

So you're posting ad infinitum about what is essentially the same thing because you're sick of people treating HD formats as...trophies? Uhhhh-huh. You must have some investment in HD-DVD whether it be emotional or financial, otherwise would you really be investing this much time/effort in aggressively refuting everything anyone says in this thread?

But I haven't refuted everything. I haven't denied this is bad for HD-DVD. If I cared about what happened to HD-DVD that much, I would deny that. If you paid attention to my post, I am ONLY calling on people for lying and twisting facts.

The thing is that I do see possibility in high defintion, but these past hours have shown me the gloaters here do NOT REALLY CARE about HD. I will likely get HD movies when the prices go down, regardless of format, and the formats advance enough, but it's clear HD movie sales cannot go further without mainstream support, and just a bunch of jerks showing supposed support by gloating on message boards, NOT INCREASING THE SALES OF BLU-RAY. 

 Fox has already cut a deal with Apple to put their movies exclusively on iTunes.

LordTheNightKnight said: Famine said: LordTheNightKnight said: I did NOT DENY that. Did you even read what I wrote? I wrote that there was more time for them to plan for discussing this new development than you are making it out to be. What did you think I meant? And the vendetta is I am fed up with these assholes treating HD formats as a trophy, and not looking at the actual merits of hi-def. High defintion deserves better than to get support from lying assholes, rather than mainstream consumers. And that IS what it has right now. That's because I thought you knew that CES starts on the 7th; they planned their little meeting the day before. It's highly doubtful now that they do it during the main show. Doubting is not the same as they can't do it. Considering the interest in any response to this, I would think some would give them room, even if there is nothing substantial to say. So you're posting ad infinitum about what is essentially the same thing because you're sick of people treating HD formats as...trophies? Uhhhh-huh. You must have some investment in HD-DVD whether it be emotional or financial, otherwise would you really be investing this much time/effort in aggressively refuting everything anyone says in this thread? But I haven't refuted everything. I haven't denied this is bad for HD-DVD. If I cared about what happened to HD-DVD that much, I would deny that. If you paid attention to my post, I am ONLY calling on people for lying and twisting facts. The thing is that I do see possibility in high defintion, but these past hours have shown me the gloaters here do NOT REALLY CARE about HD. I will likely get HD movies when the prices go down, regardless of format, and the formats advance enough, but it's clear HD movie sales cannot go further without mainstream support, and just a bunch of jerks showing supposed support by gloating on message boards, NOT INCREASING THE SALES OF BLU-RAY.

 You're like a pedantic broken record.

Thats news to me. Unless sony starts their own dl movie plan (more than likely to happen) but if not i could see them joining apple as well since sony are rivals to ms in the video game console format. Add disney to the group as well since steve jobs owns a portion of disney. No doubt ms has some tricks up their sleeve but i dont think the dl movie thing will be handed to them on a silver platter.

Gobias said: LordTheNightKnight said: Famine said: LordTheNightKnight said: I did NOT DENY that. Did you even read what I wrote? I wrote that there was more time for them to plan for discussing this new development than you are making it out to be. What did you think I meant? And the vendetta is I am fed up with these assholes treating HD formats as a trophy, and not looking at the actual merits of hi-def. High defintion deserves better than to get support from lying assholes, rather than mainstream consumers. And that IS what it has right now. That's because I thought you knew that CES starts on the 7th; they planned their little meeting the day before. It's highly doubtful now that they do it during the main show. Doubting is not the same as they can't do it. Considering the interest in any response to this, I would think some would give them room, even if there is nothing substantial to say. So you're posting ad infinitum about what is essentially the same thing because you're sick of people treating HD formats as...trophies? Uhhhh-huh. You must have some investment in HD-DVD whether it be emotional or financial, otherwise would you really be investing this much time/effort in aggressively refuting everything anyone says in this thread? But I haven't refuted everything. I haven't denied this is bad for HD-DVD. If I cared about what happened to HD-DVD that much, I would deny that. If you paid attention to my post, I am ONLY calling on people for lying and twisting facts. The thing is that I do see possibility in high defintion, but these past hours have shown me the gloaters here do NOT REALLY CARE about HD. I will likely get HD movies when the prices go down, regardless of format, and the formats advance enough, but it's clear HD movie sales cannot go further without mainstream support, and just a bunch of jerks showing supposed support by gloating on message boards, NOT INCREASING THE SALES OF BLU-RAY. You're like a pedantic broken record.

But you aren't admitting you got wrong exactly what I'm being a broken record about. You still think I'm doing this because I care about which side wins? 

 They'll be renting movies off the PSN one day, much like MS and XBL.

dude just stop.

your not even making sense anymore, how can you expect someone to just ignore you after being called out and insulted and just "discuss the MERITS of blu-ray."

you claim that you dont care, but how many hours have you dedicated to this thread?
why not just move on and leave the gloaters alone.

Wow Lordknightofnothingnesss, your losing your mind. You should really go and have a break. I'm sure insulting new members is a good way to go. Lets just say, we all have valid points and leave it at that. I understand that your upset that HD DVD is clearly losing and your taking it hard. Sony Fans lets not push HD lovers too hard. Our deep condolences to the lost HD DVD has had. It has been a worthy battle and Soooo Long .

This dude is still blah, blah, blah about this.

Dude the war is over, get over it.