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sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:

'Ghandi is wrong' is all I really have time to say right now.

Out of curiosity, who would you say I'm like 'philosphy-wise'? I'm quite curious, since it will say a lot about the image you have of myself (and considering the way you usually refer to me, I'm expecting someone nasty).

 It's pretty simple really, and not anything I think you'd disagree with... it's worth noting that Gahdni's entire movement was based on Satya... what is Satya?  It's Truth, according to Ghandi, what is Truth?

Truth = God.

Gahndi's entire movement was based on his religious faith.

 

Aside from that... lets compare with Gahndi.

Gahndi: Relgions are inherently good.   You: Religions are inherently bad.

Gahndi: "Supplication, worship, prayer are no superstition; they are acts more real than the acts of eating, drinking, sitting or walking. It is no exaggeration to say that they alone are real, all else is unreal."    You: I mean do I even need something here?

Gahdni: People are in inherently good.   You: People are inherently self interested and therefore "bad".

Gahndi: "Nothing is impossible for pure love"   You: Obviously don't believe that.

Gahdni: believed in the smallest amount of government possible.  You: For huge overarching governments

Gahndi: Anti gun control.  "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest"  You: As far as i can tell would like to see all guns banned

Gahndi: deal with discrimination and other issues with nonviolence.  You: have a wide stretch of laws to rigidly prevent any kind of bigotry.  (Except religious bigotry.)

Gahndi: I had learnt at the outset not to carry on public work with borrowed money. One could rely on people's promises in most matters, except in respect of money.  You: Seem to be a pretty clear Keynsian.

Ghandi: To attain to perfect purity one has to become absolutely passion-free in thought, speech and action; to rise above the opposing currents of love and hatred, attachment and repulsion.  You: believe in a passioned view of things rather then looking at things purely logically.

All said though, your current bigotry towards religion is clearly due to your own situation where you are an atheist but afraid to mention it to your family.  It's a fairly common way for religious bigotry to be born out.  Though it makes no more sense then someone who hates black people because he was jumped by some black people.

When it comes to your own situation, Gahndi would say to tell your parents the truth and non-violently accept all the consequences that comes with it.

I can see why you said that Gandhi and I are opposites. I disagree with the bolded point though. I don't think that humans are inherently anything. And while I agree with the underlined part, that's really a flaw of mine, rather than a conscious belief. I can't really help that one (I do try though).

You're wrong about the reason why I dislike religion though. That's not even strong enough to fuel my irrational 'passionate' impulses. You didn't really answer my question though. Was afraid youcompare me with some nasty individual.

Oh, i missed the "who i'm like" part.  Read it as "what i'm like."

Off hand, I'd say myself in early highschool before i learned about economics, only read local newspapers, tried to actually look at things from both sides of an arguement and stopped being so uptight.  (Outside of the bigotry towards religion anyway.)

As for someone famous... I'd say Keith Olberman, your a pretty good textbook "Brogressive".



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Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:

'Ghandi is wrong' is all I really have time to say right now.

Out of curiosity, who would you say I'm like 'philosphy-wise'? I'm quite curious, since it will say a lot about the image you have of myself (and considering the way you usually refer to me, I'm expecting someone nasty).

 It's pretty simple really, and not anything I think you'd disagree with... it's worth noting that Gahdni's entire movement was based on Satya... what is Satya?  It's Truth, according to Ghandi, what is Truth?

Truth = God.

Gahndi's entire movement was based on his religious faith.

 

Aside from that... lets compare with Gahndi.

Gahndi: Relgions are inherently good.   You: Religions are inherently bad.

Gahndi: "Supplication, worship, prayer are no superstition; they are acts more real than the acts of eating, drinking, sitting or walking. It is no exaggeration to say that they alone are real, all else is unreal."    You: I mean do I even need something here?

Gahdni: People are in inherently good.   You: People are inherently self interested and therefore "bad".

Gahndi: "Nothing is impossible for pure love"   You: Obviously don't believe that.

Gahdni: believed in the smallest amount of government possible.  You: For huge overarching governments

Gahndi: Anti gun control.  "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest"  You: As far as i can tell would like to see all guns banned

Gahndi: deal with discrimination and other issues with nonviolence.  You: have a wide stretch of laws to rigidly prevent any kind of bigotry.  (Except religious bigotry.)

Gahndi: I had learnt at the outset not to carry on public work with borrowed money. One could rely on people's promises in most matters, except in respect of money.  You: Seem to be a pretty clear Keynsian.

Ghandi: To attain to perfect purity one has to become absolutely passion-free in thought, speech and action; to rise above the opposing currents of love and hatred, attachment and repulsion.  You: believe in a passioned view of things rather then looking at things purely logically.

All said though, your current bigotry towards religion is clearly due to your own situation where you are an atheist but afraid to mention it to your family.  It's a fairly common way for religious bigotry to be born out.  Though it makes no more sense then someone who hates black people because he was jumped by some black people.

When it comes to your own situation, Gahndi would say to tell your parents the truth and non-violently accept all the consequences that comes with it.

I can see why you said that Gandhi and I are opposites. I disagree with the bolded point though. I don't think that humans are inherently anything. And while I agree with the underlined part, that's really a flaw of mine, rather than a conscious belief. I can't really help that one (I do try though).

You're wrong about the reason why I dislike religion though. That's not even strong enough to fuel my irrational 'passionate' impulses. You didn't really answer my question though. Was afraid youcompare me with some nasty individual.

Oh, i missed the "who i'm like" part.  Read it as "what i'm like."

Off hand, I'd say myself in early highschool before i learned about economics, only read local newspapers, tried to actually look at things from both sides of an arguement and stopped being so uptight.  (Outside of the bigotry towards religion anyway.)

As for someone famous... I'd say Keith Olberman, your a pretty good textbook "Brogressive".

Oh my, what cockyness. I still can't stop laughing.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:

'Ghandi is wrong' is all I really have time to say right now.

Out of curiosity, who would you say I'm like 'philosphy-wise'? I'm quite curious, since it will say a lot about the image you have of myself (and considering the way you usually refer to me, I'm expecting someone nasty).

 It's pretty simple really, and not anything I think you'd disagree with... it's worth noting that Gahdni's entire movement was based on Satya... what is Satya?  It's Truth, according to Ghandi, what is Truth?

Truth = God.

Gahndi's entire movement was based on his religious faith.

 

Aside from that... lets compare with Gahndi.

Gahndi: Relgions are inherently good.   You: Religions are inherently bad.

Gahndi: "Supplication, worship, prayer are no superstition; they are acts more real than the acts of eating, drinking, sitting or walking. It is no exaggeration to say that they alone are real, all else is unreal."    You: I mean do I even need something here?

Gahdni: People are in inherently good.   You: People are inherently self interested and therefore "bad".

Gahndi: "Nothing is impossible for pure love"   You: Obviously don't believe that.

Gahdni: believed in the smallest amount of government possible.  You: For huge overarching governments

Gahndi: Anti gun control.  "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest"  You: As far as i can tell would like to see all guns banned

Gahndi: deal with discrimination and other issues with nonviolence.  You: have a wide stretch of laws to rigidly prevent any kind of bigotry.  (Except religious bigotry.)

Gahndi: I had learnt at the outset not to carry on public work with borrowed money. One could rely on people's promises in most matters, except in respect of money.  You: Seem to be a pretty clear Keynsian.

Ghandi: To attain to perfect purity one has to become absolutely passion-free in thought, speech and action; to rise above the opposing currents of love and hatred, attachment and repulsion.  You: believe in a passioned view of things rather then looking at things purely logically.

All said though, your current bigotry towards religion is clearly due to your own situation where you are an atheist but afraid to mention it to your family.  It's a fairly common way for religious bigotry to be born out.  Though it makes no more sense then someone who hates black people because he was jumped by some black people.

When it comes to your own situation, Gahndi would say to tell your parents the truth and non-violently accept all the consequences that comes with it.

I can see why you said that Gandhi and I are opposites. I disagree with the bolded point though. I don't think that humans are inherently anything. And while I agree with the underlined part, that's really a flaw of mine, rather than a conscious belief. I can't really help that one (I do try though).

You're wrong about the reason why I dislike religion though. That's not even strong enough to fuel my irrational 'passionate' impulses. You didn't really answer my question though. Was afraid youcompare me with some nasty individual.

Oh, i missed the "who i'm like" part.  Read it as "what i'm like."

Off hand, I'd say myself in early highschool before i learned about economics, only read local newspapers, tried to actually look at things from both sides of an arguement and stopped being so uptight.  (Outside of the bigotry towards religion anyway.)

As for someone famous... I'd say Keith Olberman, your a pretty good textbook "Brogressive".

Oh my, what cockyness. I still can't stop laughing.


It's not cockyness.  It's the truth.  I used to have world views a lot like yours until I actually went out and learned more about the real world.

In general a lot of people are like you in their youth.  Most tend to grow out of it after realizing that the economy isn't a zero sum game and that instead the economy is just a representation on the total value of stuff.  IE the way to grow the economy is to make more stuff that's valuable.



Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:

Oh my, what cockyness. I still can't stop laughing.


It's not cockyness.  It's the truth.  I used to have world views a lot like yours until I actually went out and learned more about the real world.

In general a lot of people are like you in their youth.  Most tend to grow out of it after realizing that the economy isn't a zero sum game and that instead the economy is just a representation on the total value of stuff.  IE the way to grow the economy is to make more stuff that's valuable.

No, definately cockiness.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

padib said:
sapphi_snake said:
padib said:
sapphi_snake said:
padib said:
sapphi_snake said:
padib said:
sapphi_snake said:

I'm not doging anything. Just making a point.

Okay, well Martin Luther King? Strictly religiously motivated or strictly politically motivated, or both?
In my eyes he was a fanatic, just a reasonable one. He took what he believed and applied it passionately. Aren't fanatics pationate, at least? Could we agree about that?

Yes, they sure are passionate. So passionate that they could commit murder.

And liberate a race :D
See? I'm just trying to show you there are two sides to a coin! Look at the other side of the coin! :B

? I don't get what you're tryign to say. Don't know of any religious fanatic who 'liberated a race'.

The black people were liberated from racism after a movement largely driven by Martin Luther King. Granted the black people of America did it themselves, but they drew great inspiration from one man and that was MLK. I don't see where you're coming from though...

Except, Martin Luther King was not a religious fanatic.

Contrast him with the lady in the OP. If you give some differences, I'll give you some similiarities, you'll see what I mean by there are good and bad fanatics. You define it one way, I definte it another, but ultimately it's what characterizes them that will lead us to our answer.

Here's one difference between the woman in this story and MLK: she is insane, and he was not.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

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sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:

Oh my, what cockyness. I still can't stop laughing.


It's not cockyness.  It's the truth.  I used to have world views a lot like yours until I actually went out and learned more about the real world.

In general a lot of people are like you in their youth.  Most tend to grow out of it after realizing that the economy isn't a zero sum game and that instead the economy is just a representation on the total value of stuff.  IE the way to grow the economy is to make more stuff that's valuable.

No, definately cockiness.

I don't see how you get cockiness out of that honestly.  I did use to hold nearly identical views as you but grew out of them.

It's just a fact.



padib said:
sapphi_snake said:
padib said:
sapphi_snake said:
padib said:
sapphi_snake said:
padib said:
sapphi_snake said:
padib said:
sapphi_snake said:

I'm not doging anything. Just making a point.

Okay, well Martin Luther King? Strictly religiously motivated or strictly politically motivated, or both?
In my eyes he was a fanatic, just a reasonable one. He took what he believed and applied it passionately. Aren't fanatics pationate, at least? Could we agree about that?

Yes, they sure are passionate. So passionate that they could commit murder.

And liberate a race :D
See? I'm just trying to show you there are two sides to a coin! Look at the other side of the coin! :B

? I don't get what you're tryign to say. Don't know of any religious fanatic who 'liberated a race'.

The black people were liberated from racism after a movement largely driven by Martin Luther King. Granted the black people of America did it themselves, but they drew great inspiration from one man and that was MLK. I don't see where you're coming from though...

Except, Martin Luther King was not a religious fanatic.

Contrast him with the lady in the OP. If you give some differences, I'll give you some similiarities, you'll see what I mean by there are good and bad fanatics. You define it one way, I definte it another, but ultimately it's what characterizes them that will lead us to our answer.

Here's one difference between the woman in this story and MLK: she is insane, and he was not.

Great, you're one step closer to knowing more. The fact that she is insane doesn't make her a fanatic. The fact that she's insane makes her an insane fanatic. Fanaticism doesn't involve insanity, only intensity.

If her 'fanaticism' is due to her mental illness, I think we can shrug it off as actual fanaticism... unless you're saying fanaticism is in general a mental illness.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

I think you should be very careful with what you post, because there is no "sacrificial" killing of people in Islam for exorcism or for any matter, and those killings are MOSTLY cultural that people mislabel with religion, and as a result the people of the religion as a whole get blamed instead of the individual, or cultural practice itself.

 It's unfortunate. It's the mother with the REAL issues.



IvoryChan said:

I think you should be very careful with what you post, because there is no "sacrificial" killing of people in Islam for exorcism or for any matter, and those killings are MOSTLY cultural that people mislabel with religion, and as a result the people of the religion as a whole get blamed instead of the individual, or cultural practice itself.

 It's unfortunate. It's the mother with the REAL issues.

I think we've already established that this woman is crazy, I know that there is no such practice in Islam.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)