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Which handheld do you think will be better?

Vita 190 44.60%
 
3DS 207 48.59%
 
Both will be the same 8 1.88%
 
I don't care 21 4.93%
 
Total:426
Moren on 25 September 2011
Deadlikeme said:

1. The games can easily be added to the store later, and psv has enhanced BC, they both have BC and older games (virtual console) avaliable for download, it should be a pro for both but TC only put it as a pro for 3DS.

2. It's stronger for psv then it is 3ds and he put it as a pro for 3ds... 

4. Again saying psv has no system sellers is just wrong and there hasn't been a pokemon game annouced for 3ds yet. I didn't say to list it as a pro I said to take it off as a con. 

5. At the very least it needs to be rephrased. 

6. It shouldn't be in cons it should be neutral, and again it remains to be seen if there will be an extreme UMD add on released for psv and the games can easily go to the store. 

1. It is missing games, and it is not complete, you have no proof Sony will add the games later.

2. Who says it is stronger for Vita? You?

4. Uncharted is no Mario, also, if you can say that it is obvious MH will come to Vita (it is not anounced yet), why discard Pokemon from 3DS? And the Nintendo system sellers are far bigger than Vita's. And just for the record, I don't think adding Pokemon for 3DS is fair either, or Monster Hunter for Vita.

5. Okay, fine, but 3DS price is better, no one cares about the launch price.

6. It remains to be seen, you said it. You cannot rule out a negative aspect just because Sony MAY fix that later. Sony was also rumoured to fix the PSPgo UMD problem.



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Deadlikeme on 25 September 2011
Rainbird said:
Deadlikeme said:
Rainbird said:
Deadlikeme said:

I disagree with alot of what you put in pros and cons for starters with 3DS

1."Some big third party franchises (Monster Hunter, for example)" PSV is going to have that franchise as well as most other 3DS franchises I don't think there are any exclusive 3rd party franchises for the 3DS. 

2. "Glasses-free 3D" is this really a pro? All the advantages of 3D get taken away with it being on such a small screen that is likely to move around a bit, also you can't use gyroscope and 3D at the same time. 

3. "- Head start over competition- Unanswered holiday period in 2011 in US and EMEAA regions" Redundant, Just leave it at headstart. 

4. Lack of 3rd party support needs to be in cons

5. Can't use gyroscope and 3D at same time needs to be in cons

Now for psv

1. Didn't mention enhanced BC with digital psp games (psp games will beable to use second analogue)

2. Didn't mention massive third party support (153 devs making games for it as well as Sony)

3. Didn't mention 3G option in pros

4.  "No clear system selling games (like Nintendo's first party/Monster Hunter)" Um Uncharted and does anyone believe there isn't going to be a Monster hunter on psv, really?... This should not be here. 

5. "Debuting at a higher price" It's going to be the same price 3ds was when it debued. 

6. " No UMD option" I would call that a pro, UMDs are bulky and the drives break easy, it's a really bad medium and would just clutter the system, I'd leave this out.

The points that are left are the ones where you have a case (and the bolded ones are those where you only sort of have a case).

3DS

1. Nobody said anything about exclusive franchises. And anyway, the 3DS still has stuff like Professor Layton, Phoenix Wright, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, Kingdom Hearts, etc.

2. The only way it would have been a con is if it had been made with glasses.

3. You're sort of correct, though I think the original phrasing is fine as well.

4. What lack of third party support? How do you measure this? And just because the 3DS doesn't have a slew of great third party games right now, doesn't mean it's not getting support.

5. Sort of correct as well, though I personally fail to see how it would have any impact on how the 3DS performs overall.

Vita

1. True.

2. There's no need to mention developers, just show the games. But until we see release dates for those games everybody seems to be working on, the Vita is no better than the 3DS.

3. True.

4. Uncharted is not on the level of Monster Hunter, and until there is an actual Monster Hunter game confirmed for the Vita, MH has no business on any list of pros for the Vita.

5. It's a matter of interpretation. Yes, the cheapest Vita SKU will be the same price as the 3DS was when it launched, but the 3DS is notably cheaper when the Vita debuts.

6. No UMD option is a bad thing for all those PSP owners who sit with their unplayable backlog. Sony wouldn't have had to build UMD support into the Vita, merely give people a way to play the games they already own on a console that is backwards compatible with their games.

3DS

1. Then it should be in pros for PSV too or not on the list at all. As psv is getting most of those franchises and many many more.

2. I'm not saying it's a con, I just don't really see it as a pro. 

3. It should only be one point, maybe reworded as "headstart including unopposed holidays in EU and NA"

4. Third parties are pulling out not more diving in and that's with a headstart, with psv it seems to be the opposite. 

5. Thought we were talking about the merits of the device not how much it would sell. It's a con. 

PSV

2. Don't you think that's a little unfair, tons of games are being made for it and a ton of devs are getting behind it and more are comming, how is that not a pro? Just because the device isn't out yet? 

4. Really that's the arguement you are going with. Uncharted is definately a system seller saying otherwise is just wrong and it's not on a list it's just well known to people who are going to buy psv that they will get a monster hunter game, so I don't see how one being on 3DS too will effect that. Not to mention you'll already beable play the psp monster hunter with the second analogue on psv. 

5. To me that just goes in with the headstart thing and seems a little redundant. 

6. It remains to be seen if any accessories will be out for psv that lets you play UMDs, and again no UMD is a pro for the actual system, it shouldn't be on the list.

Also, really you think 3DS should get 3rd party in pros and Vita shouldn't despite vita having much more third party support?

3DS

1. Debatable, I'll leave it to the OP to decide if it should be fitted under the Vita as well.

2. Agree to disagree then?

3. Different strokes I guess, I still don't see a reason to actually change the OP for it. It's not the size of the list that matters, it's how you use it.

4. How are you judging that third parties are jumping overboard? Admittedly, a few games have been cancelled in the last few months, but several games are still coming along nicely, and new ones have been announced. I don't see how that's a "lack of third party support".

5. I'll rephrase then: I don't think it matters.

Vita

2. The 3DS had a huge list of developers supporting it before it released as well. A list of developers who support a platform proves very little.

4. You may think MH on the Vita is certain, but this is a list of real pros and cons, not guesswork. If it's not confirmed, it has no place on there. Guessing that everyone is expecting a Monster Hunter game on it, and therefor it's a system seller is even worse. And I'm not saying Uncharted doesn't sell systems, I'm saying I don't think the effect is significant enough. If Sony had put Gran Turismo on there, it could have been a whole other story.

5. Maybe a rephrasing would be better. The Vita is expensive after all.

6. Sony have said they're looking into a solution for Japan, but nothing is currently planned for the other territories. If you live outside Japan, right now all we know is that Sony don't have any plans to help with playing your UMD PSP games, and that's why it's a con.

As for the last point, refer to 3DS #1.

3ds

1. Again psv is getting more third party support and big 3rd party franchises and OP put the pro to 3ds I don't understand how anyone could do that, leaving it off on account of 3ds 3rd party picking up maybe but giving it a pro for 3rd party is just wrong. 

2. I don't agree to that. What part of 3d in a handheld is a pro, it drains the battery, if it moves you lose your sigh, it can't do any pop out things because the screen is too small and you can't use the gyroscope with it. 

3. It's just annoying, if someone said the same thing 10 times and put each as a point wouldn't that annoy you? 

4. How long as 3ds been out? How many 3rd party games are there?  That will give you your lack of thrid party support. 

5. Still a con. 

psv

2. psv has a bigger list then 3ds did. 3ds only had 65 if I remember right psv has 153. 

4. Monster Hunter is certain for the psv that's why it shouldn't be used as a pro for 3ds, it's just more headstart stuff. 

5. Only it isn't. 

6. Even if nothing came out how is it a con? It's neutral not a pro or a con, it would be a con if they kept it. 



Deadlikeme on 25 September 2011
morenoingrato said:
Deadlikeme said:

1. The games can easily be added to the store later, and psv has enhanced BC, they both have BC and older games (virtual console) avaliable for download, it should be a pro for both but TC only put it as a pro for 3DS.

2. It's stronger for psv then it is 3ds and he put it as a pro for 3ds... 

4. Again saying psv has no system sellers is just wrong and there hasn't been a pokemon game annouced for 3ds yet. I didn't say to list it as a pro I said to take it off as a con. 

5. At the very least it needs to be rephrased. 

6. It shouldn't be in cons it should be neutral, and again it remains to be seen if there will be an extreme UMD add on released for psv and the games can easily go to the store. 

1. It is missing games, and it is not complete, you have no proof Sony will add the games later.

2. Who says it is stronger for Vita? You?

4. Uncharted is no Mario, also, if you can say that it is obvious MH will come to Vita (it is not anounced yet), why discard Pokemon from 3DS? And the Nintendo system sellers are far bigger than Vita's. And just for the record, I don't think adding Pokemon for 3DS is fair either, or Monster Hunter for Vita.

5. Okay, fine, but 3DS price is better, no one cares about the launch price.

6. It remains to be seen, you said it. You cannot rule out a negative aspect just because Sony MAY fix that later. Sony was also rumoured to fix the PSPgo UMD problem.

1. It's not up to Sony, all of Sony's games are in the store... and again both have BC it's a pro for both or not on the list at all. 

2. The 153+ 3rd party devs currently working on something Vita related 

4. I didn't, I'm saying you should if you stick to that MH doesn't count for psv thing. Mario or not psv does have system sellers, there is no con for psv there, there is a pro for 3ds that is already there though (1st party) though I would rephrase it. 

5. Except the people that bought it on launch. 

6. It's not negative. Putting a UMD in the psv would be a negative. 



cyberninja45 on 25 September 2011
Deadlikeme said:
morenoingrato said:
Deadlikeme said:

1. The games can easily be added to the store later, and psv has enhanced BC, they both have BC and older games (virtual console) avaliable for download, it should be a pro for both but TC only put it as a pro for 3DS.

2. It's stronger for psv then it is 3ds and he put it as a pro for 3ds... 

4. Again saying psv has no system sellers is just wrong and there hasn't been a pokemon game annouced for 3ds yet. I didn't say to list it as a pro I said to take it off as a con. 

5. At the very least it needs to be rephrased. 

6. It shouldn't be in cons it should be neutral, and again it remains to be seen if there will be an extreme UMD add on released for psv and the games can easily go to the store. 

1. It is missing games, and it is not complete, you have no proof Sony will add the games later.

2. Who says it is stronger for Vita? You?

4. Uncharted is no Mario, also, if you can say that it is obvious MH will come to Vita (it is not anounced yet), why discard Pokemon from 3DS? And the Nintendo system sellers are far bigger than Vita's. And just for the record, I don't think adding Pokemon for 3DS is fair either, or Monster Hunter for Vita.

5. Okay, fine, but 3DS price is better, no one cares about the launch price.

6. It remains to be seen, you said it. You cannot rule out a negative aspect just because Sony MAY fix that later. Sony was also rumoured to fix the PSPgo UMD problem.

1. It's not up to Sony, all of Sony's games are in the store... and again both have BC it's a pro for both or not on the list at all. 

2. The 153+ 3rd party devs currently working on something Vita related 

4. I didn't, I'm saying you should if you stick to that MH doesn't count for psv thing. Mario or not psv does have system sellers, there is no con for psv there, there is a pro for 3ds that is already there though (1st party) though I would rephrase it. 

5. Except the people that bought it on launch. 

6. It's not negative. Putting a UMD in the psv would be a negative. 

I'm a lil curious. But what third party games are you gonna buy ( or atleast excited for) which was shown for the vita anyway?



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MasterVG71782 on 25 September 2011

These don't follow the numbered points listed above, but are merely my own thoughts on the current debate in a numbered fashion.

1) Monster Hunter has not been announced for Vita yet. I listed it as a PRO for 3DS, because there are TWO Monster Hunter games coming out for it within the next year, most likely. One is a port, yes, but the other is a brand new entry into the series. While it may be true that there will eventually be a Monster Hunter released on the Vita, until one is announced, it is an advantage for the 3DS.

2) All systems have a huge support, pretty much, before launch. Whether that support is continued after the system has been released remains to be seen.

3) I thought the phrase of "access to a huge PSN library" included the PSP one, but I rephrased it to include it. Whether or not Sony/other developers go through their own libraries to put their non-digital games on PSN remains to be seen.

3a) Until they either put all/most of the PSP library on PSN, having no option for those with a lot of UMDs is a big CON. I didn't say to put a UMD drive on the Vita; I simply mentioned (if you actually read the whole CON) that no option to either get a digital release of the UMD game, or no UMD peripheral would mean people with a lot of UMD games/movies are left in the dust. I know I wouldn't be too happy to have to buy a game again. In that regard, it's the PSPGo all over again.

4) I believe that the Vita doesn't have a clear system seller like Nintendo does. Let's face it, Mario/Monster Hunter sells, both software and hardware. While games like Uncharted do help push hardware some, it's not nearly on the level like the above games.



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Moren on 25 September 2011
Deadlikeme said:

1. It's not up to Sony, all of Sony's games are in the store... and again both have BC it's a pro for both or not on the list at all. 

2. The 153+ 3rd party devs currently working on something Vita related 

4. I didn't, I'm saying you should if you stick to that MH doesn't count for psv thing. Mario or not psv does have system sellers, there is no con for psv there, there is a pro for 3ds that is already there though (1st party) though I would rephrase it. 

5. Except the people that bought it on launch. 

6. It's not negative. Putting a UMD in the psv would be a negative. 

1. Yeah, that is my point, the whole library isn't on Vita and you have to re-buy it. You cannot use your large PSP library again. So it is not complete on Vita.

2. You know what? This is poinless. All those third party devs mean NOTHING, we don't know how many are working on 3DS, and you are basing your numbers on working unanounced titles, not it solid titles.

4. But they are small, even if Uncharted does move systems and is critically a success, it isn't a big system seller. We might as well go as far as saying Xenoblade was a system seller because it moved a couple dozens of units.

5. So what? The current price right now is 169,99$, and that is what matters.

6. But that also means your old PSP games can no longer be played without re-buying them.



Deadlikeme on 25 September 2011
cyberninja45 said:
Deadlikeme said:
morenoingrato said:
Deadlikeme said:

1. The games can easily be added to the store later, and psv has enhanced BC, they both have BC and older games (virtual console) avaliable for download, it should be a pro for both but TC only put it as a pro for 3DS.

2. It's stronger for psv then it is 3ds and he put it as a pro for 3ds... 

4. Again saying psv has no system sellers is just wrong and there hasn't been a pokemon game annouced for 3ds yet. I didn't say to list it as a pro I said to take it off as a con. 

5. At the very least it needs to be rephrased. 

6. It shouldn't be in cons it should be neutral, and again it remains to be seen if there will be an extreme UMD add on released for psv and the games can easily go to the store. 

1. It is missing games, and it is not complete, you have no proof Sony will add the games later.

2. Who says it is stronger for Vita? You?

4. Uncharted is no Mario, also, if you can say that it is obvious MH will come to Vita (it is not anounced yet), why discard Pokemon from 3DS? And the Nintendo system sellers are far bigger than Vita's. And just for the record, I don't think adding Pokemon for 3DS is fair either, or Monster Hunter for Vita.

5. Okay, fine, but 3DS price is better, no one cares about the launch price.

6. It remains to be seen, you said it. You cannot rule out a negative aspect just because Sony MAY fix that later. Sony was also rumoured to fix the PSPgo UMD problem.

1. It's not up to Sony, all of Sony's games are in the store... and again both have BC it's a pro for both or not on the list at all. 

2. The 153+ 3rd party devs currently working on something Vita related 

4. I didn't, I'm saying you should if you stick to that MH doesn't count for psv thing. Mario or not psv does have system sellers, there is no con for psv there, there is a pro for 3ds that is already there though (1st party) though I would rephrase it. 

5. Except the people that bought it on launch. 

6. It's not negative. Putting a UMD in the psv would be a negative. 

I'm a lil curious. But what third party games are you gonna buy ( or atleast excited for) which was shown for the vita anyway?

Well I got my eye on dragon crown but I think it's being overhyped, there's also Persona of course and probably going to get Blazblue for it, the Ninja game looks good but I need to see more and I liked what I saw of Escape Plan. I'm also really interested in alot of the unnamed rpgs studios I like are making for it. Though Sony's games and psp BC are what's really selling it for me right now. 



Deadlikeme on 25 September 2011
MasterVG71782 said:
These don't follow the numbered points listed above, but are merely my own thoughts on the current debate in a numbered fashion.

1) Monster Hunter has not been announced for Vita yet. I listed it as a PRO for 3DS, because there are TWO Monster Hunter games coming out for it within the next year, most likely. One is a port, yes, but the other is a brand new entry into the series. While it may be true that there will eventually be a Monster Hunter released on the Vita, until one is announced, it is an advantage for the 3DS.

2) All systems have a huge support, pretty much, before launch. Whether that support is continued after the system has been released remains to be seen.

3) I thought the phrase of "access to a huge PSN library" included the PSP one, but I rephrased it to include it. Whether or not Sony/other developers go through their own libraries to put their non-digital games on PSN remains to be seen.

3a) Until they either put all/most of the PSP library on PSN, having no option for those with a lot of UMDs is a big CON. I didn't say to put a UMD drive on the Vita; I simply mentioned (if you actually read the whole CON) that no option to either get a digital release of the UMD game, or no UMD peripheral would mean people with a lot of UMD games/movies are left in the dust. I know I wouldn't be too happy to have to buy a game again. In that regard, it's the PSPGo all over again.

4) I believe that the Vita doesn't have a clear system seller like Nintendo does. Let's face it, Mario/Monster Hunter sells, both software and hardware. While games like Uncharted do help push hardware some, it's not nearly on the level like the above games.

1. Sigh I really don't want to do this because it's such a horrible but Call of Duty sells more then Monster Hunter and Vita is getting one of those. Obviously they both have advantages of that but you only listed a single one in favor of the 3DS.

2. PSV still has more. 

3. Keyword ENHANCED you didn't mention anywhere that psp games would be suprior on the psv then the psp (second analogue usable) 

3a. Still not a con, just less of a plus. Not even the 360 is 100% BC.

4. Again hate to do this but Call of Duty. 



Bunyip on 25 September 2011
Deadlikeme said:

4. Monster Hunter is certain for the psv that's why it shouldn't be used as a pro for 3ds, it's just more headstart stuff. 

 

Link?

And even if it did arrive down the line, 3DS having it right away will sell systems and sway some attention away from Vita this holiday in Japan, so yes it's a definite pro for 3DS.

And yes Vita is expensive for a handheld just like 3DS was at $250 and unlike 3DS, Vita won't be able to lower its price that soon if needed.



Deadlikeme on 25 September 2011
Bunyip said:
Deadlikeme said:

4. Monster Hunter is certain for the psv that's why it shouldn't be used as a pro for 3ds, it's just more headstart stuff. 

 

Link?

And even if it did arrive down the line, 3DS having it right away will sell systems and sway some attention away from Vita this holiday in Japan, so yes it's a definite pro for 3DS.

And yes Vita is expensive for a handheld just like 3DS was at $250 and unlike 3DS, Vita won't be able to lower its price that soon if needed.

3DS doesn't have it right away I think people forget how long it's been on the market. Vita isn't expensive for a handheld it's expensive for a handheld that's cheap to make.