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@Baal being "cleared": I'm fairly confident that you're town aligned, but I'm not going to take that for granted, after what happened in a previous round (can't remember which one, but I assumed that someone was town and it was a disaster).

@Who is mafia: We've obviously got to be really careful about who we lynch today, but my main suspect today is Trucks; mainly because he's already claimed a name that is apparently evil in the Uncharted universe, and I feel that ABC knew that he was a mafia or something not town-aligned due to the posts that he made before he was killed

Will post more later, but I've gtg for a bit



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theprof00 said:
And again, I think Baal is the doc. Therefore, I'm not lynching him, and I'm not lynching Radish.
That leaves you trucks and vette.
You defend trucks but are OK to lynch vette? When I look at the situation from that angle, it's obvious that there is someone else who is a mafia. (Unless there are only two?)

I'm going to have to take another look at Vette, unfortunately. We may need to put some pressure on him.


short time (work) so short answer...

First, unless I missed a post,

HOS Baal for no reaction to prof’s post (despite posting after it). Moreover He calls for people talking about him being cleared, clearly showin he's seen your post "clearing" him... he's basically checking for a counter before accepting the doc claim.

 

Second, prof, when I say that radish’s role is unlimited + 1 shot because important when in the same post I pointed that the cop was not important due to millers, you should’ve taken it as a hint, Baal can’t be doc if he couldn’t use an ability last night…. Though I guess that’s not a hint anymore, I’m Tenzin (nameclaims are authorized).

and on that FoS Prof for setting up the baal claim (only a fos cause it can be candid).



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Hephaestos said:
theprof00 said:
And again, I think Baal is the doc. Therefore, I'm not lynching him, and I'm not lynching Radish.
That leaves you trucks and vette.
You defend trucks but are OK to lynch vette? When I look at the situation from that angle, it's obvious that there is someone else who is a mafia. (Unless there are only two?)

I'm going to have to take another look at Vette, unfortunately. We may need to put some pressure on him.


short time (work) so short answer...

First, unless I missed a post,

HOS Baal for no reaction to prof’s post (despite posting after it). Moreover He calls for people talking about him being cleared, clearly showin he's seen your post "clearing" him... he's basically checking for a counter before accepting the doc claim.

 

Second, prof, when I say that radish’s role is unlimited + 1 shot because important when in the same post I pointed that the cop was not important due to millers, you should’ve taken it as a hint, Baal can’t be doc if he couldn’t use an ability last night…. Though I guess that’s not a hint anymore, I’m Tenzin (nameclaims are authorized).

and on that FoS Prof for setting up the baal claim (only a fos cause it can be candid).

Whoa! Fuckin' sweet news.

BYaknow, I thought it couldn't be you because of how aggressive you were being. I had it narrowed down to one of the two of you.

Also, I don't know why you HoS, that deserves a vote imo.



theprof00 said:
Hephaestos said:

2) An insighfull post. thanks for the honesty.

1) By negative result I mean "visited but no death", like what radish got for baal, which only says that he didn't break a neck ^^. Yes the one shot is the the theory I see as the most credible. notice how the abilities are 1 2 3 ... i'm guessing wonk had fun there, though these are also minor roles (cop is minor with 2 millers).

3) I believe we're fairly unconcered by one an other because of linkz... we saw the same reasons to lynch him, when others doubted... I'm still confident that given the info the lynch was the correct descision (the power was only revealed late... and without it's description... then again roleblocker kind of traped linkz).

 

4) I disagree with your notion that baal's quick answer is a proof of honesty... why would he have lied? A scum that stayed at home will just say that he stayed at home. And actually he'll be quick about it because he doesn't have the worry of keeping in the grey about having a power or not... and look at radish, his shot was watching last night, on top of his unlimited tracking, his role is important, as should be with 2 millers.

5) What i'm gonna say is a bit odd since I used it the other way against linkz... but after looking up the names in the wiki.... Does anyone besides trucks claims to have a bad guy's name as town? Hat was a charater that worked with nathan, raja was "best friends with nathan" in the past, my name is a good guy too... ABC was not such a character and was mafia... we haven't seen any real name =/= alignment. or am I mistaken on the names so far?

1) well well well, that's not what Radish said, though, is it? Radish never actually said that Baal visited anyone. He said no result, which means that person stayed home.

3) I don't see how any of that is not concerning. You ignore someone simply because their arguments for someone's lynch was justified? Surely there is more to be said than that. It's almost like you're saying that the lack of incriminating evidence is evidence of innocence.

4) Well, imo, if Baal is mafia, and his partner is trucks, that would have to mean trucks did the kill (unless it's some kind of magical power that can be done from home lol), which I don't think he would have, given that he was scrutized just that day. It's very fair to say that he was under suspicion and a very good target for all kinds of investigation. So, that would mean that if Baal is mafia, then someone other than Trucks is mafia, ie you or vette imo, and I don't believe that it's Vette (but maybe you do), in which case, we must simply disagree (I also kinda don't think it's you) but I'm on the border given the things you've said today. In any case I believe that if Baal had any kind of pressure on him (guilt) then he might have said that he DID go out and protect someone.

5) unfortunately, I have resorted to this as part of my evidence against Trucks, it's hard to overlook. Hat's didn't, but given his role, it kind of does.

1) yes and no. yes, I express myself badly ^^... visited but no info linked to a death. No radish didn't say no result, I pressed him specifically on this because his no result is actuall information.

radishhead said:
I can confirm that Baal didn't do anything last night, nor was visited by anyone - I probably should have chosen a better target

That means he was both not moving, nor targeted (besides by radish), this also tels us that Baal is not the broken neck killer, however, it doesn't exempt him from being part of the shooting group (the voices of the first night that point to mafia).

3) I don't ignore trucks... but besides his name, the only incriminating evidence is ABC... and he threaded nicely, I did believe part of his story yesterday.

4) don't forget that trucks was scrutinized because of ABC, who turned out to be mafia and not SK. On the other hand, Baal opened yesterday by a self incriminating post out of nowhere, I believe he brought himself almost as much attention as trucks got from ABC.

5) I take that as a confirmation of the trend.



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theprof00 said:

Whoa! Fuckin' sweet news.

BYaknow, I thought it couldn't be you because of how aggressive you were being. I had it narrowed down to one of the two of you.

Also, I don't know why you HoS, that deserves a vote imo.


cause I haven't had time to read his longpost or other reactions of the day yet.



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vote Baal
for blatantly responding to a doc question by implying he was the doc.

I don't need protection tonight. I've been saving up for this most crucial moment. Protect Radish (or yourself if you can.



for example, i'm just seeing now the post where he asks you to roleclaim.... incriminating for him, distancing for you.

on his longpost, I notice he didn't come back on his day 3 opening post...

@proff's fake cop... I thought nen was pulling a christmass round (targeting dead or confirmed town), a mafia would have know linkz said the truth and thus that there were 2 millers... making a cop a somewhat safe fake claim.... especially with the presure he already had (worst case he outed the cop) on his back and in the soft manner he did so, even prompting linkz to say he trapped himself into one role. Unfortunately, I got convinced of that when he said he coped radish... bad timing.



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Baalzamon said:
Cool, yet another town power role lost.

I've never really done anything like this in mafia yet, but I'm going to say it right now. I know I'm probably one of the top suspects at the moment, and quite frankly, I really don't care. I'm probably going to ignore a majority of the comments aimed towards me, because I have found that defending yourself in this game really does absolutely no good (if anything, it just makes things worse). People just twist everything you say in your defense.

If you guys are going to push for my lynch today, just get it done with, because your questions towards me won't get answered. I'll be spending my time trying to look through the game again, because the way we are going about things right now clearly isn't working.

Really, I tried to find you redemption in here as it feels as the turning point of your game... but there's nothing but guilt and unproductive attitude.

The only silver ligning is that you did look through the game again, and gave us a nice and concise summary of the game...however you managed to omit this very post, you didn't even show why you thought you were a suspect, is it only prof HoSing you the night before and his apparent closeness to nen that frightened you into resigning?

Sounds almost as if ABC followed your train of though with his confession.

I see no reson to delay this Vote : Baal



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theprof00 said:
I don't need protection tonight. I've been saving up for this most crucial moment. Protect Radish (or yourself if you can.

what did i say about important roles



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Maybe Baal only has a limited number of medikits (or whatever his character uses to heal people)? Just read through the last few posts, and I'm a bit confused as to how we can be so convinced that he's anti-town.

Although I think he's been lynched now anyway, so my opinion at this point in time is a bit pointless.



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