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Baalzamon said:
theprof00 said:
Also, I'll claim if we lynch nen.

Does this still hold if Nen is night killed?

Actually, I was banking on him being the person who visited me, given his attitude toward me at that point in the game. However, it turned out to be someone else, and additionally, the other person has a pretty strong case. As it turns out though, it seems to be still important. I was going to use my role as explanation of how I had found the scum. You can plainly see that once he said who he actually targeted, I completely backed off. So, no, I will not claim yet, as my role still serves a purpose.

I'm guessing this was just something you noted as significant along the way, please continue your report.



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Hephaestos said:

2) An insighfull post. thanks for the honesty.

1) By negative result I mean "visited but no death", like what radish got for baal, which only says that he didn't break a neck ^^. Yes the one shot is the the theory I see as the most credible. notice how the abilities are 1 2 3 ... i'm guessing wonk had fun there, though these are also minor roles (cop is minor with 2 millers).

3) I believe we're fairly unconcered by one an other because of linkz... we saw the same reasons to lynch him, when others doubted... I'm still confident that given the info the lynch was the correct descision (the power was only revealed late... and without it's description... then again roleblocker kind of traped linkz).

 

4) I disagree with your notion that baal's quick answer is a proof of honesty... why would he have lied? A scum that stayed at home will just say that he stayed at home. And actually he'll be quick about it because he doesn't have the worry of keeping in the grey about having a power or not... and look at radish, his shot was watching last night, on top of his unlimited tracking, his role is important, as should be with 2 millers.

5) What i'm gonna say is a bit odd since I used it the other way against linkz... but after looking up the names in the wiki.... Does anyone besides trucks claims to have a bad guy's name as town? Hat was a charater that worked with nathan, raja was "best friends with nathan" in the past, my name is a good guy too... ABC was not such a character and was mafia... we haven't seen any real name =/= alignment. or am I mistaken on the names so far?

1) well well well, that's not what Radish said, though, is it? Radish never actually said that Baal visited anyone. He said no result, which means that person stayed home.

3) I don't see how any of that is not concerning. You ignore someone simply because their arguments for someone's lynch was justified? Surely there is more to be said than that. It's almost like you're saying that the lack of incriminating evidence is evidence of innocence.

4) Well, imo, if Baal is mafia, and his partner is trucks, that would have to mean trucks did the kill (unless it's some kind of magical power that can be done from home lol), which I don't think he would have, given that he was scrutized just that day. It's very fair to say that he was under suspicion and a very good target for all kinds of investigation. So, that would mean that if Baal is mafia, then someone other than Trucks is mafia, ie you or vette imo, and I don't believe that it's Vette (but maybe you do), in which case, we must simply disagree (I also kinda don't think it's you) but I'm on the border given the things you've said today. In any case I believe that if Baal had any kind of pressure on him (guilt) then he might have said that he DID go out and protect someone.

5) unfortunately, I have resorted to this as part of my evidence against Trucks, it's hard to overlook. Hat's didn't, but given his role, it kind of does.



And again, I think Baal is the doc. Therefore, I'm not lynching him, and I'm not lynching Radish.
That leaves you trucks and vette.
You defend trucks but are OK to lynch vette? When I look at the situation from that angle, it's obvious that there is someone else who is a mafia. (Unless there are only two?)

I'm going to have to take another look at Vette, unfortunately. We may need to put some pressure on him.



Two mafia would make sense given an extra kill, two millers and limited powers.



While I attempt to make these notes in as much of a linear fashion as possible, there are times where including something in its appropriate heading makes more sense, and therefore may not be in perfect order of when it occurred.

Day 1:

Flavor: The Rod of Wonk T’nodi is mentioned to give the bearer control over other people’s minds.  The flavor then states the gemstone was missing from the rod and it may have broken into several pieces.  He also mentions that people switched bodies, which could be an explanation if role doesn’t equal alignment.

Beginning: Heph started out with a seemingly joking FoS against radish.  Hatmoza asked how many people have nice asses.  Radish is the first to come out and say his character has a nice ass.  Nen also states he is “up there.”  Linkz also says his character has a nice ass.  Heph states he has no clue.  Hatmoza also says he has a nice ass.  The ass discussion started up again some after the miller talks.  Radish responded to a prof post aimed towards hatmoza, in what seemed to be a slightly defensive manner.  Prof HoS’ Radish for this.

Miller: Linkz claimed miller not long after the game started.  There was quite a bit of discussion of this immediately, but one could easily conclude the general consensus is that he wasn’t lying, but that he will likely have to get lynched eventually.  Hatmoza makes a comment that he believes Linkz and even that Linkz role fits a supposed character, despite Hatmoza saying role and character don’t fit.  Prof immediately puts an HoS against Linkz and Hatmoza.  Trucks states he can guarantee role and character don’t match for everybody.  Prof unHoS’ Linkz stating that he believes him, however he Votes: Hatmoza.  For reasons similar to Prof, Nen-seur Votes: Hatmoza.  Heph FoS’s Radish and Linkz (by association) for Radish trying to make up what sounded like a fabricated argument to defend Linkz.  He also HoS’ Hatmoza for his actions up to this point.  Vetteman then Votes: Radish saying he is the only of the 3 suspects that is actually scum.  I’m not at all sure how he concluded this, since the main (in my opinion) scummy thing radish did to this point was defend Linkz as if they were partners, yet Vette says he believes Linkz.  Prof unHoS’ Radish stating he has had a change of thought.  He also mentions that the only people in his mind who should believe Linkz are those that know for certainty (mafia) that Linkz is a townie.

Extra: Final Fan has been extremely quiet the entire game, and he randomly decides to say “he changed his mind” and Votes: Radish.  Linkz then Votes: Nen after a long quote to hatmoza, saying Nen is on hat’s suspicion list so they should try pushing for his lynch.  Radish Votes: No Lynch to inform others that is where he currently stands.  After more discussion, Heph Votes: Linkz in the belief that he is lying about the miller claim.  A lot of discussion followed, in which I really saw no real meaning.  Right near the end of the day, Linkz Unvotes and Votes: Radish, which Radish immediately follows by Voting: Linkz.  Linkz immediately Unvotes and Votes: Nen.  Radish follows this by Unvoting and then Voting: No Lynch once again.  The day ends on this note, with no lynch being the final decision due to a tie.

My thoughts: Despite re-reading through the whole first day with the knowledge we now have on the game, I really didn’t get any new ideas on what is going on.

Day 2

Miller: While there is a lot of discussion, the beginning seemed rather dull.  Some have already began discussing how Linkz can be a miller when Hatmoza was a miller.  I also noticed something that I didn’t notice before.  Prof seems rather adamant with the idea that the rod can do something.  I have no clue if this is significant or not, but I will have to think about it.  Trucks also seems to buy into the idea of a mind control aspect to the game.  Not long into the game, Prof states Wonk contacted him via PM and said somebody tried to visit him the previous night but failed.  Not long after, Heph Votes: Linkz for obvious reasons involving the miller claim.  Soon after, Trucks FoS’d Radish for being a copycat for his reason for not voting Linkz.  Not long after, ABC Votes: Linkz.  I soon also Vote: Linkz while also stating I will be gone for several days.  Nen follows with a Vote: Linkz.   FF soon Votes: Linkz.  Not long after, he Unvotes based on the fact that Kantor might get modkilled.  After quite a bit more discussion involving Linkz miller claim, Linkz Votes: Nen due to his apparent scumminess.  FF follows Linkz and Votes: Nen.  Prof also Votes: Nen.  Heph HoS’d Radish for reasons I didn’t quite understand.  Heph then Unvotes.  ABC follows by Voting: Linkz.  After a lot more discussion, Heph Votes: Linkz again.  After more discussion, I came back and Unvoted.  Soon after, ABC Votes; Nen because Nen stated he visited Hatmoza and regretted it.  Radish follows by Voting: ABC saying he has been trying to target Nen a little too aggressively.  Prof also Unvotes on Nen after his saying he visited hatmoza.  After discussion involving Nen’s claim, Trucks follows saying he still doesn’t believe the 2 millers claim, and Votes: Linkz.  Linkz Unvotes Nen based on his claim.  After more discussion, Prof Votes: ABC.  Vette soon Votes: Linkz.  I soon hammer Vote: Linkz with the justification that the attention he is grabbing is getting out of hand.  Prof follows with HoS on me and ABC as well as asking for doc protection once again (on him or nen).  Trucks also HoS’d me saying I’m swaying according to everybody else.

Noteworthy: Something that really sticks out to me here is that Prof asked for Doctor protection.  Knowing that the roleblocker, vig, cop are already dead, and we are more or less certain that radish is a watcher, what could Prof possibly be that he thinks he needs doctor protection?  Later on, Prof asks for doc protection once again.

My thoughts: A MAJORITY of this day was occupied with thoughts about Linkz as well as Nen.  I haven’t seen anything extremely suspicious, but Prof continuing to ask for doctor protection makes me wonder.

Day 3

Radish: Radish comes out soon after the day started saying he saw ABC kill FF.  He obviously follows by Voting: ABC.  Vette immediately follows by Voting: ABC.  ABC apparently makes up a story about why he came up as guilty.  Trucks follows by Voting: ABC.  Nen soon follows by Voting: ABC.  Prof follows by issuing the hammer Vote: ABC.  Once again, he asks for protection.

Noteworthy: I haven’t had any definitive thoughts about Trucks, but something possibly significant popped up to me.  While he was dying, ABC seemed to be attempting to get Trucks to look as scummy as possible.  I couldn’t see it happening where somebody we know is scum gives away a fellow scum.  I’m inclined to believe Trucks is town.

Not going to have anything on day 4 as of yet, because the day is still short, and I haven’t noticed anything too out of the ordinary.

I have to say, I was rather upset when I went through the game again.  I thought for sure I’d see more than I did, but that proved to not be the case.  This leaves Trucks, who I think ABC cleared by trying to bring him down with him, Prof, who despite the awkward continual asking for doc protections, I have a town vibe on, Radish, who is our watching role, me, Vette, and Heph.  I’m just putting it out there, but 2 mafia is NOT that powerful, especially considering the mass of powers the town apparently has.  Yes, we had 2 millers, but even they had roles on top of this.  It only makes sense to me that there are 3 mafia.  This leaves just Vette and Heph as the remaining 2 mafia.

I notice now Prof that you think 2 mafia is fine, but I think you should think about it, because the town has SO many roles this game, that 2 out of 12 really isn’t that powerful.

Let me know if I have any errors in my summary.  I also want everybody’s opinion on Vette and Heph being mafia.



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That was well written Baal, thank you.



Oh and by the way, I've seen a scum fake claim cop and then sell out his two mafia partners.



with 6 players it takes 4 for a majority and 3 votes for a time limit



theprof00 said:
And again, I think Baal is the doc. Therefore, I'm not lynching him, and I'm not lynching Radish.
That leaves you trucks and vette.
You defend trucks but are OK to lynch vette? When I look at the situation from that angle, it's obvious that there is someone else who is a mafia. (Unless there are only two?)

I'm going to have to take another look at Vette, unfortunately. We may need to put some pressure on him.

Yeah I figured that would be coming with how little I have been participating

You claim you think Baal is the Doc,  what would give you such an inclination to him being the doc?  I surely havent seen gotten that vibe from him re-reading his posts.  So maybe you could point to the ones that make you feel that way.   Obviously Im not saying we should lynch him to find out or whatever but to take him off as a possibility due to a gut feeling isnt a smart move.  Cause I dont believe he has been cleared, other than not going anywhere last night.

As for the Trucks situation with his name,  I could see this as very good evidence as scum.  I think he had no problem revealing it as he thought he could hide under the opening flavor.  Plus the whole situation with ABC could be reverse psychology. ABC's attack against Trucks could be him trying to make Trucks look like town when he was his master or fellow minion.  



I want to mention something that hasn't yet been mentioned today, and it involves our current situation.

Given that 2 mafia remain, a mislynch today will be a victory for the mafia unless the night kill gets stopped. If there is only 1 mafia remaining, we can mislynch today, lose somebody tonight, and then another mislynch will result in a victory for the mafia.

The more I think about it (and especially when I looked at it this way), it seems super unlikely that there is only 1 mafia remaining. For crying out loud, that would mean it took FOUR mislynches in order for the mafia to win.

Let me know what you guys think, but I really do think we need to be extra cautious before we vote somebody out.
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Also, I would like to hear Trucks and Radish's opinion on current matters including me being "cleared".



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