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Hephaestos said:
Wonktonodi said:

alignment in the games does not mean alignment in here


FFS people!

But does role=character?



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TruckOSaurus said:
Suddenly Baalzamon and ABC look like very good lynch candidates.

Baal because his vote then unvote really look like scum hopping on a bandwagon, voting for the easy lynch candidate and then backing off when he realizes it's not going to happen (today at least)

ABC, for reasons mentionned by radish (never I'd say that!) and also for thinking nen is stupid.

Despite the fact that there should be no need to explain further, I will anyways.  I had a test on Friday, an extremely difficult test that needed to be studied for.  This left me virtually no time to legitimately go through the game, put my thoughts on paper, and eventually start posting.  By the time my classes were over on Friday, I was supposed to immediately drive home and meet up with my dad so we could go camping.  For the sole reason of this game, I delayed that by a half hour so I could (for lack of better terms) extremely quickly analyze the situation in place, put out some very quick thoughts, and even put out a vote.

At the time, I thought for sure Linkz was lying, but I now quite sincerely regret placing that vote on him.  I literally gave myself 30 minutes to analyze a situation, and decide that somebody was voteworthy.  Upon getting home, and reading a little further (and having the whole weekend to think about the situation), it makes absolutely no sense why Linkz would lie.  So yes, I guess you could say that due to limited time, I initially fell for the bandwagon appeal, and just stuck a vote on Linkz.  Backing off had absolutely nothing to do with what others were doing.  It had to do with me actually having enough time to properly analyze the situation.

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@Heph: I'm not exactly certain how you know for a fact that the penalty for claiming didn't affect Linkz.  Who's to say he doesn't have an additional portion to his role similar to hatmoza, that he may have lost for the day?  Also, how do you know he didn't lose his ability to vote?  His final vote was on nen.  Hatmoza and Radish tied for the most votes against them with 2 each.  We have absolutely no clue whether or not Linkz vote against nen was valid (Just because it shows up on the official votals doesn't mean it is valid...else we would more or less be told that he informed us of his role).



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I'm starting to look at Heph for scum. As for nen's hint, if he's not working himself up to a cop claim I don't know what he is.

To be honest I doubt I'd be convinced by it (even though unlike prof I have no preferred candidate). Right now I still think one of nen and Linkz need to go today.



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http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4227759
Here hat makes his first reference to the miller claim, saying he's not in a stable mind yet to confront it. Someone mentioned this too.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4228299
Here Hat says he believes that Linkz is the miller since Chloe and miller fits.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4228393
Here he decides that character and role fit, he also decided in another post that alignment fits, though he was actually wrong about this.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4228396
Here he describes how he was confused. This does seem like a reference to being a miller. Though still, his alignment and character do not match, even as a miller.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4231964
Responds to Hephs post about bomb and miller.

Hrrrng..this is pretty conclusive I guess. Other people have talked about it and quoted him, but I guess I needed to see it for myself.

 

Let's have it then, are there any other millers? This is your last chance to claim. Further miller claims down the line will be lynch on sight.



radishhead said:
ABC, I've just read through all of your posts (via ctrl-f), and I found that a pretty large percentage of your posts are talking about something that nen has done wrong, and how this makes him look suspicious. You've been looking for a valid reason to vote him for a long time before now, and the way that you post that you'll wait until 24 hours to go until you lynch him, and then immediately decide that you can't wait that long looks suspicious to me. I haven't counted the exact numbers, but I'd say that at least 50% of your substantial (ie. posts that are not greeting people, or the discussion with Prof about round 30) posts are about why Linkz or Nen look suspicious. I feel that we can get a list of town-aligned people just from reading your suspicions list, to be honest.

vote: A Bad Clown

This is pretty horrible bud. Not your suspicion of ABC per se, but at least 50% of the round and today especially is about why nen or I are suspicious. And having played with ABC in a previous round, he's no stranger to going after scummates, so I doubt we would learn much from him if he did flip scum.



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Hephaestos said:
Linkzmax said:
Hephaestos said:
A) proff's long post.... that's a well drawn picture, most points are sound and there's only one I disagree with... I do think FF and you look scummy for deflecting the discussion from Linkz.
If anything, a night will give more info on Nen, whereas Linkz... we already know he'd scan guilty (as scum or miller) so there is nothing to gain there by waiting.
Although yes, Nen's insistence on link would make him look good... He didn't actually vote him day one...Linkz did vote nen, with linkz being the sure lynch down the road...

With the current situation and although I have suspicions on others, I do think Hat may have been right, Chloe, Elenna and Nathan as scum, with Nen in the role of Nathan (he did comment on the ass thing too as you pointed).

B) ABC's point of the avenging post is something that struck me too when I read it... I just thought it was very weird a statement to make, but if the mafia had decided that linkz was gonna get lynched today and have Nen be on his ass for a complete distancing, well... that could warrant the confidence of not being lynched down the road. Prof noted that Nen was the tipping point voter.... that I find interesting as besides trucks and I, he certainly is the one that was the most adamant on linkz being a fake and this lateness may be explained by trying to gain a day if at all possible.

Granted, I make many assumptions here, but I like scenarios that I believe fit well.

Oh and no, I highly doubt either is third party because A) miller doesn't make sense for linkz B) Nen would not have the confidence he had in his interactions.

With all this said though... I believe linkz's lynch today is the safest route... as many of Nen's accusation points are, in my eyes, based on both of them being scum.

Vote : Linkz

A) Here you go twisting hat's words again. It's foolish to assert that hat asked the hot asses question to tie the three main characters together as scum. And as you failed to answer before. If hat started to feel like he didn't know how to react, then why did he say thishttp://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4230540 "Chloe fits the ability, just like my character fits theirs. And in case you didn't figure it out Einstein, that's the reason I believe you are town."

B) Truck is adamant I'm a fake? http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4235621  "Okay waiting for Linkz's defense was a good move, even if I'm not decided on what to do yet. I realized that most of my reasons for wanting Linkz lynched are based on meta-game and that's not the best of evidence."

You seem to be making anything you can point to my lynch being for the best while saving your buddy nen. It's the same thing you're accusing prof(town) and FF(undecided) on, but they haven't had to stuff words in anyone's mouth.

A) OK i never played the game.... is harry flyn a good guys now? I read here that he was a bad guy forced to work for the player and still tried to kill him when he died. That means bad guy and that means hat's statement is wrong. Him being town doesn't make his judgement correct especially since his initial impression was the oposit of the statement you quoted.

And nice calling my assesment foolish, so tell me since you're apparently omniscient, why did Hat ask the ass question?

B) Saying one's reasons to vote you are based on meta-game is not the same as saying he doesn't think you're telling the truth. Show me where he says you are truely a miller.

 

I unvoted when you were at L-2, how is that doing anything possible to press the lynch on you?

And no, I dislike your attitude, when I vote you, you say you understand, but when I say I will ask for your lynch tomorow I become scum? how logical is that?


A) Harry fit the bomb. Only hat can explain why he thought I'm a miller when he was himself.

I'd say hat basically answered why he asked the question here: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4229006

Your theory is foolish, because he'd have named myself and Radish as scum. At the VERY least he would name who he thought Nathan is rather than letting them hide in the shadows.

B) You're grasping at straws. He's said he's undecided what to do, which does not translate into adamant that I'm a fake. Now if you said he was adamant that I should have been penalized, I would give you that. But you're both still wrong on that matter.

You unvoted to appear as if you were open to other options, yet you've never let off trying to push my lynch.

I was going to like the first person to vote me no matter who it was. You've quickly lost that because you have tunnel vision on lynching me the first day you can and you're trying to pull out non-existent evidence.



Hephaestos said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Wonk has already stated that characters and alignment don't fit and I can personally guarantee that they don't.


Chloe =/= auto good guy

Nobody has ever argued that. The only argument made is you saying hat believed Chloe, Elena, and Nathan = bad guys, yet decided he'd not raise suspicions against myself or radish and would keep who he thought was Nathan a secret. It makes even less sense that hat as miller would have this theory on the trio and think I'm being truthful about my claim instead of just confessing that I'm the scum he thinks the trio must be.



theprof00 said:
nen-suer said:
theprof00 said:

13. Yup. Night one who did you visit? This is the crux of the argument. If you answer correctly here, I will drop all my accusations against you. I have a "feeling" that you visited me last night. Is that true?

If i answered correctly huh........

No i didn't visit you last night. I visited hatmoza actually......and i was glad i did until day2 started.

But looking back at your previous posts i think you already knew that...and maybe thats reason for suspecting me.

And if thats indeed the case i think you handled this situation very badly........very very badly.

Actually I didn't know that. I'm neither a tracker nor a watcher. It does clear up a lot of suspicion though. Except, now I know you visited hat.

what to do what to do...

On the one hand I'm pretty sure you're not a cop since I'm almost positive of who is, and additionally you haven't played like a cop at all, while the person I think is the cop has been playing like a cop. On the other hand you could be the killer. You can't be the doc..On even another hand, I can't imagine you're tracker or watcher because you would have called me out just now...

I'm going to go through the posts again and see if hat really knew he was a miller.I really must figure out what you were doing there before I make any other decisions.

But I'll start by removing my vote

unvote nen

Since I already mentioned it, cop is the role I meant nen trapped himself into. Clearly not the doc, unless we're looking at a strongman(goes through protection) kill, but even then hat makes no sense as nen's target. Can't be a town roleblocker. Not tracker or he'd have to assume you watched hat AND saw the actual killer too. Not watcher or he'd have already named the killler. Vig is doubtful because 1) shouldn't shoot first night and 2) should've shot me if anything.

Obviously there could be rarer roles, but I'm not going to go through every one.

@nen:
Why did you choose to target hat?



Yeah, so apparently I'm a co-mod after promises of sexual acts with Wonk in the dead thread ... which got very ... very lonely.

I guess I'll help count votes when Wonk isn't available. And post my trademark tribute videos during the nights.



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Baalzamon said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Suddenly Baalzamon and ABC look like very good lynch candidates.

Baal because his vote then unvote really look like scum hopping on a bandwagon, voting for the easy lynch candidate and then backing off when he realizes it's not going to happen (today at least)

ABC, for reasons mentionned by radish (never I'd say that!) and also for thinking nen is stupid.

Despite the fact that there should be no need to explain further, I will anyways.  I had a test on Friday, an extremely difficult test that needed to be studied for.  This left me virtually no time to legitimately go through the game, put my thoughts on paper, and eventually start posting.  By the time my classes were over on Friday, I was supposed to immediately drive home and meet up with my dad so we could go camping.  For the sole reason of this game, I delayed that by a half hour so I could (for lack of better terms) extremely quickly analyze the situation in place, put out some very quick thoughts, and even put out a vote.

At the time, I thought for sure Linkz was lying, but I now quite sincerely regret placing that vote on him.  I literally gave myself 30 minutes to analyze a situation, and decide that somebody was voteworthy.  Upon getting home, and reading a little further (and having the whole weekend to think about the situation), it makes absolutely no sense why Linkz would lie.  So yes, I guess you could say that due to limited time, I initially fell for the bandwagon appeal, and just stuck a vote on Linkz.  Backing off had absolutely nothing to do with what others were doing.  It had to do with me actually having enough time to properly analyze the situation.

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@Heph: I'm not exactly certain how you know for a fact that the penalty for claiming didn't affect Linkz.  Who's to say he doesn't have an additional portion to his role similar to hatmoza, that he may have lost for the day?  Also, how do you know he didn't lose his ability to vote?  His final vote was on nen.  Hatmoza and Radish tied for the most votes against them with 2 each.  We have absolutely no clue whether or not Linkz vote against nen was valid (Just because it shows up on the official votals doesn't mean it is valid...else we would more or less be told that he informed us of his role).

I thank you for your dedication to the game.(I'll assume you're being honest, because no real reason to lie even if you were scum) I wouldn't mind if others would manage even that instead of disappearing until modkill. But like I said it was a bad vote since you were going to be gone.

Anyway, naturally I'm glad for the unvote, and to me it comes off as genuine rather than giving up on a lynch.(You do note I'll likely be lynched eventually) I'd like a lot more activity from you, especially since there's plenty to speak about, so I can get a better read on you.