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ABC, I've just read through all of your posts (via ctrl-f), and I found that a pretty large percentage of your posts are talking about something that nen has done wrong, and how this makes him look suspicious. You've been looking for a valid reason to vote him for a long time before now, and the way that you post that you'll wait until 24 hours to go until you lynch him, and then immediately decide that you can't wait that long looks suspicious to me. I haven't counted the exact numbers, but I'd say that at least 50% of your substantial (ie. posts that are not greeting people, or the discussion with Prof about round 30) posts are about why Linkz or Nen look suspicious. I feel that we can get a list of town-aligned people just from reading your suspicions list, to be honest.

vote: A Bad Clown



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radishhead said:
ABC, I've just read through all of your posts (via ctrl-f), and I found that a pretty large percentage of your posts are talking about something that nen has done wrong, and how this makes him look suspicious. You've been looking for a valid reason to vote him for a long time before now, and the way that you post that you'll wait until 24 hours to go until you lynch him, and then immediately decide that you can't wait that long looks suspicious to me. I haven't counted the exact numbers, but I'd say that at least 50% of your substantial (ie. posts that are not greeting people, or the discussion with Prof about round 30) posts are about why Linkz or Nen look suspicious. I feel that we can get a list of town-aligned people just from reading your suspicions list, to be honest.

vote: A Bad Clown


You mean when prof asked me what I thought about the other players on page 19 when I just joined the game and said everyone was acting normally?

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=134326&page=19



19:44:34 Skeezer METAL GEAR ONLINE
19:44:36 Skeezer FAILURE
19:44:51 ABadClown You're right!
19:44:55 ABadClown Hur hur hur
19:45:01 Skeezer i meant
19:45:04 Skeezer YOU ARE A FAILKURE
19:45:08 Skeezer FAILURE*
Linkzmax said:
Hephaestos said:
A) proff's long post.... that's a well drawn picture, most points are sound and there's only one I disagree with... I do think FF and you look scummy for deflecting the discussion from Linkz.
If anything, a night will give more info on Nen, whereas Linkz... we already know he'd scan guilty (as scum or miller) so there is nothing to gain there by waiting.
Although yes, Nen's insistence on link would make him look good... He didn't actually vote him day one...Linkz did vote nen, with linkz being the sure lynch down the road...

With the current situation and although I have suspicions on others, I do think Hat may have been right, Chloe, Elenna and Nathan as scum, with Nen in the role of Nathan (he did comment on the ass thing too as you pointed).

B) ABC's point of the avenging post is something that struck me too when I read it... I just thought it was very weird a statement to make, but if the mafia had decided that linkz was gonna get lynched today and have Nen be on his ass for a complete distancing, well... that could warrant the confidence of not being lynched down the road. Prof noted that Nen was the tipping point voter.... that I find interesting as besides trucks and I, he certainly is the one that was the most adamant on linkz being a fake and this lateness may be explained by trying to gain a day if at all possible.

Granted, I make many assumptions here, but I like scenarios that I believe fit well.

Oh and no, I highly doubt either is third party because A) miller doesn't make sense for linkz B) Nen would not have the confidence he had in his interactions.

With all this said though... I believe linkz's lynch today is the safest route... as many of Nen's accusation points are, in my eyes, based on both of them being scum.

Vote : Linkz

A) Here you go twisting hat's words again. It's foolish to assert that hat asked the hot asses question to tie the three main characters together as scum. And as you failed to answer before. If hat started to feel like he didn't know how to react, then why did he say thishttp://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4230540 "Chloe fits the ability, just like my character fits theirs. And in case you didn't figure it out Einstein, that's the reason I believe you are town."

B) Truck is adamant I'm a fake? http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4235621  "Okay waiting for Linkz's defense was a good move, even if I'm not decided on what to do yet. I realized that most of my reasons for wanting Linkz lynched are based on meta-game and that's not the best of evidence."

You seem to be making anything you can point to my lynch being for the best while saving your buddy nen. It's the same thing you're accusing prof(town) and FF(undecided) on, but they haven't had to stuff words in anyone's mouth.

A) OK i never played the game.... is harry flyn a good guys now? I read here that he was a bad guy forced to work for the player and still tried to kill him when he died. That means bad guy and that means hat's statement is wrong. Him being town doesn't make his judgement correct especially since his initial impression was the oposit of the statement you quoted.

And nice calling my assesment foolish, so tell me since you're apparently omniscient, why did Hat ask the ass question?

B) Saying one's reasons to vote you are based on meta-game is not the same as saying he doesn't think you're telling the truth. Show me where he says you are truely a miller.

 

I unvoted when you were at L-2, how is that doing anything possible to press the lynch on you?

And no, I dislike your attitude, when I vote you, you say you understand, but when I say I will ask for your lynch tomorow I become scum? how logical is that?



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Baalzamon said:
Ok, I'm back from the woods, and I've read all the posts (although I will be gone for a couple more hours to work shortly).

I've started to have some thoughts about the two miller options, and while I still think it is awkward, there could be a perfectly good explanation.

While some of you are indicating that two millers might indicate there are multiple investigative roles, and the roles needed to be weakened, could it not also simply be meant to deceive us, and there not be any investigative roles? I was reading on the mafiascum wiki that sometimes a miller is put into the game simply as a "red herring."

Also, claiming miller immediately is actually one of the methods of playing miller indicated in mafiascum. This way, you are telling your cop that an investigation on you is a waste, because it will come up as scum no matter what.

Also, there really isn't a lot of benefit arising from claiming miller immediately if you are scum. People will be suspicious of everything you say throughout the whole game, and a miller is generally supposed to get lynched at some point, meaning you are just telling the town to lynch a mafia member.

On that note, I have an EXTREMELY hard time after thinking about it that Linkz is indeed scum (although if I interpret right, we should still lynch him eventually).

UNVOTE

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On another note, towards Prof, I noticed that you asked for protection because you are stepping on a lot of people's toes. Shouldn't mafia be more interested in a lower key target? If they kill you, we immediately know to look at everybody you targeted with your investigations. I'm thinking you don't quite need protection yet.


and how do you account for the special roleclaiming rule not affecting linkz?



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Wonktonodi said:

alignment in the games does not mean alignment in here


FFS people!



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TruckOSaurus said:
Wonk has already stated that characters and alignment don't fit and I can personally guarantee that they don't.


Chloe =/= auto good guy



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nen-suer said:
theprof00 said:

13. Yup. Night one who did you visit? This is the crux of the argument. If you answer correctly here, I will drop all my accusations against you. I have a "feeling" that you visited me last night. Is that true?

If i answered correctly huh........

No i didn't visit you last night. I visited hatmoza actually......and i was glad i did until day2 started.

But looking back at your previous posts i think you already knew that...and maybe thats reason for suspecting me.

And if thats indeed the case i think you handled this situation very badly........very very badly.

Actually I didn't know that. I'm neither a tracker nor a watcher. It does clear up a lot of suspicion though. Except, now I know you visited hat.

what to do what to do...

On the one hand I'm pretty sure you're not a cop since I'm almost positive of who is, and additionally you haven't played like a cop at all, while the person I think is the cop has been playing like a cop. On the other hand you could be the killer. You can't be the doc..On even another hand, I can't imagine you're tracker or watcher because you would have called me out just now...

I'm going to go through the posts again and see if hat really knew he was a miller.I really must figure out what you were doing there before I make any other decisions.

But I'll start by removing my vote

unvote nen



Suddenly Baalzamon and ABC look like very good lynch candidates.

Baal because his vote then unvote really look like scum hopping on a bandwagon, voting for the easy lynch candidate and then backing off when he realizes it's not going to happen (today at least)

ABC, for reasons mentionned by radish (never I'd say that!) and also for thinking nen is stupid.



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Votals

On Players

Linkz: heph, abc, baal, nen, ff

Nen: linkz, ff, prof, abc

abc: radish


By Players

heph: linkz, linkz

abc: linkz, nen

baal: linkz

nen: linkz

ff: linkz, nen

linkz: nen

prof: nen

radish: abc


With 10 players it takes 6 for a majority. With the current spread it takes 5 to lynch. 4 votes are needed for a time limit.