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TruckOSaurus said:
Another thing I wanted to mention before about Linkz's arguments. The fact that hatmoza didn't suspect him (or at least didn't go after him) is not a proof of his innocence. hat is not perfect after all and he could have been distracted by the fact that Chloe and miller fit so well.

I never said it was proof of my innocence. I said hat should have doubted my claim more than anybody else, yet he didn't. Chloe and miller fit well but Harry and miller don't, yet he still believed me. It's far from confirmation, but it is in my favor.



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theprof00 said:
Everyone should put it out of their minds that changing votes means linkz is innocent. Linkz admits that he will have to be lynched at some point. We will do that, hopefully after nen flips scum.

This really. Since I'm going to be a mislynch it has to be done before lylo. Which means 9 players left if today is a mislynch, and minus 2 for every scum lynch. I'm hopeful we go perfect so I'm never the forced lynch. If and when I am, ya'll better not hide behind the "2 millers lolno." I expect some full arguments as to my scummyness and every one of you should enforce it so you'll have somewhere to go the next day.

Alternatively, if there's a vig he can shoot me in case a townie is mislynched. It's weird to advocate my death, but if you would be dead set on lynching me anyway, then fire instead. I'm certainly not bulletproof and no doctor is going to target me, so barring a roleblock you can save town half a day. Just remember that unless there's a save, a mislynch on that day would mean town loses.



theprof00 said:
Let me explain something else.
I think they should both die, however, there aren't many people going after nen, and Linkz has made some of the best arguments against him. I think it's possible that they are third party and mafia.
I would be fine lynching linkz and then nen, but I don't think many people will really go after nen when linkz is lynched (especially if he turns up as scum). I think the whole place will turn into chaos. Heph will go bananas, Radish will still be reading from the "Jesters playbook", ABC will simply follow whoever, and there will just be a bunch of people now knowing who to go after next because really, nen's arguments to lynch linkz are sound. It's just that his arguments are incredibly scummy.

So, yes, I think it's much more important to lynch nen. I have a very strong feeling that he's scum.
And THEN we can lynch linkz if you still want.

I'm glad you think my arguments were good, that is reassuring.

Do you think nen is third party? If so who do you think I'd be aligned with? Thinking I'm third party is just lulzy, but given your information I'll concede that you may think a night kill was blocked.



theprof00 said:
Also, I'll claim if we lynch nen.

I don't think you need to claim, but I am interested if your character fits your role? You could give a name too; however, I'm pretty much convinced you're town now so I don't need either bit of information if you don't want to share.



Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:
Also, I'll claim if we lynch nen.

I don't think you need to claim, but I am interested if your character fits your role? You could give a name too; however, I'm pretty much convinced you're town now so I don't need either bit of information if you don't want to share.

I've checked and I'd say it fits according to what I read in the wiki. I haven't played the game so someone would have to confirm it later. We'll see, I may just claim for the fun of it come morning.



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That is, I haven't played uncharted one.



Final-Fan said:
I did not see that at all. I seriously doubt that someone "became the Rod" because that really doesn't make any sense.

I will share the thing I saw that could be interesting but probably not important: Sully might not have answered because he was switched with Rika before the murder; therefore, (according to this hypothesis,) Rika is out there somewhere and Sully is not.
Final-Fan said:
Answer to prof: There are two possibilities that spring to mind upon rereading the flavor. One I don't think would make that big a difference; the other definitely would, if it's true. I'm far from certain it is, though.

I think you're a liar. How does your idea make any difference, additionally, day 2 you say the rod makes no difference as it's wild speculation.



3 mafia.

This post by nen is something I look for in mafia games. Generally mafia (as they're not out to scumhunt like an SK is) tend to throw out this kind of information in an effort to look like they are contributing. Sometimes, they are right, sometimes they are lying about the number. I'd say that with 2 millers (if linkz is one) mafia would most likely be 2, or vanilla 3. Since this post came before the miller claims, this post could be an early attempt at disruption.

Brilliant idea, there should be downside for role calming.
I specifically used them often to get out deep mess without thinking twice about it. xD

Happy that it will be difficult for players to acquit themselves when they're in trouble?

Hey I'm up here...

Again, and this is the same thing with Hat. Chloe and Elena are taken. This is a Radish-style party crashing. Unless he's joking like Hat was, he doesn't have a nice ass.

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Nen-suer then semi-defends Linkz' miller claim. Can't really fault him for that

He also jumps on Hat, which I agreed with. However, I said all of it first, so it's possibly parroting.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4230880
In this post, he says "you ignored Radish's scummy posts" attempting to make Linkz look like he has tunnel vision, but then himself says "Radish always says the wrong thing, so can't fault him for that".

He then retorts to Hat's claim that nen,myself, and baal were on his list by saying that Hat and Linkz were on Nen's list, "(and Radish if Linkz turns up scum)". Nothing huge to see here.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4231349
In this post, Nen skips over what Linkz actual suspicions were and says it was because nen doubted his claim. I didn't just see the doubtful part, I also saw that nen was parroting.  He continues by saying "I suspect your for you opinion of Hat Radish and myself". The odd one out seems to be Radish. Linkz had given him a pass, and nen did too, yet he uses that to bolster his evidence.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4231666
105% I just thought this was funny.

I also just realized that when Hat said "forgettable moment" he was referring to the bomb role and meant a forgettable moment in the game.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4231689
So he's not Raja. That covers all the women.

To repost http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4231689
He's just now addressing my thought about the OP. I never said the OP had anything to do with an SK. My question was straightforward, and in fact, I asked about a third party. He was the one suggesting SK.

Disappears or just says inconsequential things til morning.

Upon daybreak he says good riddance to Hat, never noting that it should have lessened his suspicion of Linkz since Hat was a big piece of his evidence.

Nothing really of consequence for several posts. Argues about the rod, etc etc.

Then he was the tipping point voter ALONG with saying "be careful or you may insta hammer him".

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4235524
"2 millers by day 2 means there is probably more." BULLSHIT. This is the scummiest thing I've ever read. Congrats on setting up fakeclaims for you scumbuddies.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4235529
If what he's saying is true, shouldn't he be saying "Hammer this guy"? Linkz also asks this question. I agree. You only say something like this to escape culpability imo.

Then comes a huge mess with Linkz. Hard to say what's what there.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4235837
He suspects me and FF simply for voting him? He hasn't questioned me all game, and I'd even venture that he was buddying. Suddenly I'm high up on his list?

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4235860
"What do you mean my arguments are sound but scummy"
I mean exactly that. For example, you say 2 millers makes no sense. But then you venture that there might be more millers. Your argument that 2 millers makes no sense is logically sound. Your comment that there will likely be more is scummy. That's one example. 'Defending Radish is scummy" is logically sound, 'radish always just looks scummy' is scummy.

And yes, I think you two are seperate factions. I've already explained this. I think you really are trying to get linkz lynched and if he flips miller, then oh well. Two millers is crazy, right? I bet you'd even like him to flip third party. I personally think he might flip third party. I think so because that would mean that a miller claim not only protects him from scum kills, but also gives him at least a couple days for being so upfront with town. (@Linkz, you can consider that my asnwer to your comment about "you must think I'm mafia then, because 3rd party etc etc".

Therefore, I think he will flip third party, and you will look good, and then I don't think you will be lynched.

 

Ok that's what I have so far.

Also while reading, FF and ABC have popped up as strong contenders for scum. Nen must be mad as shit. On the first day he said, "it's good to keep him around since he's good". He must be regretting those words. It even sounds like it when he said "when a miller pops up you lynch him immediately". Furthermore, I think Linkz is picking off nen's whole team. Linkz really is our best asset right now I think. And I hope everyone knows why, but if not, it's because even if he's a third party, he's still scumhunting to keep himself alive. That's the beauty of third party, it's much less difficult to scumhunt than if he was mafia. Mafia have to make up things and pretend to hunt, SK's and third parties are pretty much vigilante towns in terms of how they view the game. Right now, Linkz is our whipped bloodhound.

 

Also, I'm formally requesting doc protection.



And I'm requesting it because I think I'm starting to step on a lot of toes, and that never ends well for me.



theprof00 said:

And yes, I think you two are seperate factions. I've already explained this. I think you really are trying to get linkz lynched and if he flips miller, then oh well. Two millers is crazy, right? I bet you'd even like him to flip third party. I personally think he might flip third party. I think so because that would mean that a miller claim not only protects him from scum kills, but also gives him at least a couple days for being so upfront with town. (@Linkz, you can consider that my asnwer to your comment about "you must think I'm mafia then, because 3rd party etc etc".

Therefore, I think he will flip third party, and you will look good, and then I don't think you will be lynched.

 

Ok that's what I have so far.

Also while reading, FF and ABC have popped up as strong contenders for scum. Nen must be mad as shit. On the first day he said, "it's good to keep him around since he's good". He must be regretting those words. It even sounds like it when he said "when a miller pops up you lynch him immediately". Furthermore, I think Linkz is picking off nen's whole team. Linkz really is our best asset right now I think. And I hope everyone knows why, but if not, it's because even if he's a third party, he's still scumhunting to keep himself alive. That's the beauty of third party, it's much less difficult to scumhunt than if he was mafia. Mafia have to make up things and pretend to hunt, SK's and third parties are pretty much vigilante towns in terms of how they view the game. Right now, Linkz is our whipped bloodhound.

 

Also, I'm formally requesting doc protection.

Great summary on nen. The 105% part made me laugh too, but I realized he meant it's 5% if either is scum OR 15% if both are.

You must think there was a blocked kill last night for me to be third party. I mean I suppose it's possible that I've lied every single game leading up to this one about killing every night as SK. Also, SKs often scan innocent and if I didn't know for certain that there are two millers countering a cop already, I would think that could be likely. On the other hand, one death would be explained easily by a survivor, except that there's zero reason to claim miller then. I know it's a must-lynch-at-some-point-unless town-already-won role. I don't need to buy a couple of days if I was third party, I would need to make it to the very end.

I'm glad that you think I'm picking off nen's team and an asset. I know nen flipping mafia isn't going to help in your eyes, but I think it buys me another day to get whomever else is scum. I can't say I agree yet on FF, but ABC is my second suspect. That reminds me he never answered a question.