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Well I'm glad to see town wasn't hasty in mislynching during my absence. Just read from the latest votals on and instinct tells me Heph is town, abc or baal could be scum, nen is still scum, and ff is bad. Going to catch up and try to turn this day into a productive one.

Two requests: 1) Reread me without the miller claim in mind and tell me how I'm mafia. I still am the second miller, but metaing the setup is both lame and wrong.
2) If you still want me lynched, at least make sure everyone has weighed in. Don't just focus on me either, you need a direction to go day three.



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nen-suer said:
Linkzmax said:

The time-sensitive bit was in regards to you not responding to my "how sure of hat being mafia" question quick enough for my tastes. The last time I tried trapping you with questions about the doc fakeclaim, you disappeared.

Unlike normal scum, Godfathers, Spies, some Serial Killers, etc. show up innocent if investigated. Counters to roles make for a good setup. Mafia does not have to be underpowered(compared to town power) for counters to exist.

The claim is mostly unverifiable,(I already joked about a Hobo or Lie Detctor confirming me, but they are true examples) but I'm the same as anyone else that claims town and hasn't been confirmed. Don't rely on powers so much and actually hunt some scum. From my eyes you're 0 for 2. After my interaction with radish before deadline I'm more inclined to thinking he's town than scum, so if you're town then you're doing horrible. I still don't think you are though.

Man your still holding a grudge

I don't run from a challenge and i'm used to pressure from other players, if i "disappear" its because i'm not on my computer.

And about me suspecting you, lets see...you role claimed miller out of the blue, you don't receive any penalty for that (let me add a LOL) and now we have a miller dead.

Do you honestly think i'm being unreasonable suspecting you? Imo if it was any normal player else you would have been lynched day1

but your safe  because alot of players feel intimidated going after big profile players like you (specially early in the game)

Once again, no grudge. You just display a pattern of not being able to answer questions when scum. If I'm so scummy then why do you feel the need to always announce you're going to bed after I call you out?

No I don't think it's unreasonable to suspect a second miller, and I've never called you or anyone else out for doubting/trusting my claim. But you have zero to say about me that isn't centered on the claim. How about my interaction with you or with others?

nen-suer said:

So my suspicion level is low at the moments. 

But my suspects list is too short and i just wanna make it look bigger *insert that what she said joke here*

Why do you feel the need to make your suspects list look bigger? See that tells me you're worried about perception and I don't like that. It also tells me you're not actually scumhunting or you actually would have a suspect besides myself. Still clinging onto radish now that hat has flipped town?

nen-suer said:

And from the results i was right suspecting hatmoza. He did make a big contraction, but it turn out he was a lying townie and i cant be blamed for not that.

What was hat's big contraction(contradiction?) and what did he lie about?



theprof00 said:
Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:

Another person calling it wild? Weren't you the one that found it in the OP>!>>?

While I think it's too improbable to waste time on discussin, I don't find it a wild idea. Let's wait for Linkz and see what he says.

Are you asking me about the flavor? I already chimed in last night with my take. I do think the idea that bodies/roles are being switched is far-fetched, since I know I wasn't any type of bomb and I'm still a miller, so there wasn't any partial or complete transfer of role. Unless someone actually claims to be affected, I think it's just fluff. I imagine we all look like strangers to each other, until reverted to our true selves.

I just wanted to know what you thought about 2 millers. I don't know if you maybe got a message in which you ceased to be a miller, or something to that effect.

Nope still a miller. And in case you missed it, it tells me there's got to be a good amount of town investigative roles.



TruckOSaurus said:
Linkzmax said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Linkzmax said:
EBWOP: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4226400

"I will have a random order generated that I will keep to myself. If when someone roleclaims if the list is on something that wouldn't apply to that player I bump them to next item on the list that would apply."

I'm not sure why you post this as a defense of your position since it backs what I've been saying.

Let's call the penalties A, B and C and that we agree only C applies to you.

When you roleclaimed, no matter the random generated order that Wonk has you'll always end up with C. Even if the order is ABBABBBBAAABAAC. That's because it says "I bump them to [the] next item on the list that would apply. For you that item is always C.

How do you and Heph not see that your logic could be used to confirm every vanilla townie as pro-town?(plus possibly a couple of powered townies if they hit "lose vote" on the list) Clearly there NEEDS to be exceptions to the rule.

How do you not see that by your logic the "Lose a vote" option would NEVER apply?

Let's set this straight. I'm saying the option would never apply BECAUSE if it were to apply then it would confirm myself or any vanilla townie simply due to the fact that without an active or passive ability, the list would have to skip to the "lose a vote" option which can be plainly verified.(albeit not until night/the next day) It is exploitable and game breaking.



"I don't have the time to be here" one person in the group said. " I don't want to stay around here. You guys are all crazy and probably just going to kill each-other, I want nothing more to do with this."
The he set off on foot away from the dig site.
"why are we even still here?" he asked mostly to himself.
A few people watched as he walked away. Wondering if it would be that simple. They soon learned the answer.
When he was just visible in the distance it seemed like he discovered a segway. Perfect he though to himself now I can get away even faster. He got on and headed out. If wasn't long before he was being followed by armed men on segways of their own.
He was able to ditch the dist few who seemed to have no clue how to control the machines let alone shoot and ride them at once. When more appeared behind him.
"where do these guys come from?"
Bullets were flying by and he wasn't sure he would be able to avoid getting hit for much longer.
He didn't one hit him in the leg and another in the arm, he lost control of his segway and went flying. Off a cliff, He hid for hours, in horrible pain and only able to slow the bleeding. Not feeling safe climbing up he instead chose to climb down. He go to the river and although it wasn't too wide it looked pretty fast, he tried to make his way across some rocks when his gunshot wound really hurt him and he spasmed. He fell into the water where he was dragged under and drowned.

His body was never recovered and his family is still hoping he might return.

Kantor has been modkilled he was Jeff. townie

Day 2 Continues



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A Bad Clown said:
There only situations there can be 2 millers are if hatmoza wasn't actually a miller (like trucks just asked wonk) or if Linkz is the opposite of hatmozas role. Super saint is powerful so I dont think wonk would put in the role where the bomb player kills whoever voted him first the day he was lynched. I can't remember the name of the role but I almost put it in my mafia game

Why would I have to be the opposite? A vengeful(Supersaint) miller is actually quite low in power. First, hat would have had to been lynched for the power to activate, and then it would have to be scum that hammers(or possibly be the final vote) for it not to simply backfire on town. Given hat was also a miller, a cop scan on him would make it more likely(just by odds) that a townie would hammer.



Votals

On Players

Linkz: heph, abc, baal, nen, ff

By Players

heph: linkz

abc: linkz

baal: linkz

nen: linkz

ff: linkz

With 10 players it takes 6 for a majority. With the current spread it takes 6 to lynch. 4 votes are needed for a time limit.



theprof00 said:
Well this is strange, I was just contacted by Wonk saying someone tried to visit me last night but failed.

I'm not sure what to make of it, but thanks, I guess?

combining posts for ease of replying

Either someone was blocked, someone doctored me, or I have my own ability that made it not work. 
If someone was blocked, it may not have been a good thing. It could mean that I was copped and blocked, or that I was attacked and they were blocked. 
If I was doctored, well spank you very much!
If I have an ability, well normally an ability doesn't work twice in a row. I'm not going to ask to be doctored or ask the RB (if there is one) to block again, since I'm not that important to waste those things on. But you can decide on your own whether I'm worth it. I'll say right now, that all I have to give is scumhunting.

"Don't want to metagame here, but I doubt the validity of this post."

Nah, I have no reason not to believe you and in fact I think it's obvious what you are. I understand you asking for doc protection, and it is up to the doc to protect you, but I'm not sure it's a good idea. If he is unsure of who is town(and more helpful town power specifically) then you'd be a good target though.

If I'm wrong about you or if additionally someone was blocked trying to target you then I think it's extremely likely you outed town power to the scum RB.(if one exists)



Hephaestos said:
OK prof i don't know what you're trying to do with your mod message... but you sure have gotten a FoS from me.

Oh and so that what prof said is clear to everyone (cause it surely is clear to the multiple brains of the mafia)... if there is an RB, he hit a power role that targeted prof.
It's nice to have an RB confirmation... but it's not nice to have a power role confirmed to the RB, especially if this comes from a weird message you have no reason to receive and thus is an information that is confirmable only by 2 players (if they exist), the one that targeted you and failed and the RB...

Oh and no, I did not target prof and failed, I just don't see the positive aspect of spreading this info... however, I do see the potential death and/or confusion it can create.

Anyways... Vote : Linkz
my reasons for yesterday stand... and even more so now.

Your reasons from yesterday don't stand so well anymore. Much of it hinged on hat being mafia, which clearly isn't the case. 2 millers is highly suspicious though, so I'll give you that. I also think scum was waiting for town to make the first vote on me, so I'm leaning town on you. You're wrong, but I don't fault you for the vote.



Linkzmax said:
A Bad Clown said:
There only situations there can be 2 millers are if hatmoza wasn't actually a miller (like trucks just asked wonk) or if Linkz is the opposite of hatmozas role. Super saint is powerful so I dont think wonk would put in the role where the bomb player kills whoever voted him first the day he was lynched. I can't remember the name of the role but I almost put it in my mafia game

Why would I have to be the opposite? A vengeful(Supersaint) miller is actually quite low in power. First, hat would have had to been lynched for the power to activate, and then it would have to be scum that hammers(or possibly be the final vote) for it not to simply backfire on town. Given hat was also a miller, a cop scan on him would make it more likely(just by odds) that a townie would hammer.

You're working against yourself here. If Hat was more likely to hurt town, then his miller role was more harmfull to town that a regular miller and thus it is even less likely that there is an other miller to balance the mafia.

Plus now it's official, there are vanilla townies (kantor), so if your idea that the no vote clause never applies is true, then that's Wonk purposefully missleading the town... and that just doesn't make sense.



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