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radishhead on 23 September 2011
Linkzmax said:
radishhead said:

Since we're both still alive, it's time to explain the two things to you:

1) Here you imply that FF is town, and when I asked if you knew you left out an option you failed to say he could be scum just trying to mislynch you. This was a major red flag for me, but I can see you making that mistake as a townie.

2) Last night the votals had you and hat tied at 2 apiece. Wonk stated several times that a tie would end in no lynch. When I put you ahead, you must(regardless of alignment) make the self-preservation move of voting hat to tie things and keep yourself from being lynched.

Now I think you're town, because I don't believe a scum you would make a revenge vote knowing that your about to die pointing a meaningless finger at me with your flip.

I didn't realise that I made such a huge mistake - I'll definitely learn from this in the future



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theprof00 on 23 September 2011
Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:
TruckOSaurus said:
I sure hope hatmoza's bomb power wasn't percentage based because I absolutely hate those.
I also hope this isn't Wonk penalizing him for a soft-claim because of his "I don't like that you used bomb as an example" comment to Heph.

As for the wild rod theories, I'll have to get back to them tomorrow, I'm too tired to figure out what the hell happened.


Another person calling it wild? Weren't you the one that found it in the OP>!>>?

While I think it's too improbable to waste time on discussin, I don't find it a wild idea. Let's wait for Linkz and see what he says.

Are you asking me about the flavor? I already chimed in last night with my take. I do think the idea that bodies/roles are being switched is far-fetched, since I know I wasn't any type of bomb and I'm still a miller, so there wasn't any partial or complete transfer of role. Unless someone actually claims to be affected, I think it's just fluff. I imagine we all look like strangers to each other, until reverted to our true selves.

I just wanted to know what you thought about 2 millers. I don't know if you maybe got a message in which you ceased to be a miller, or something to that effect.



TruckOSaurus on 23 September 2011
theprof00 said:
TruckOSaurus said:
I sure hope hatmoza's bomb power wasn't percentage based because I absolutely hate those.
I also hope this isn't Wonk penalizing him for a soft-claim because of his "I don't like that you used bomb as an example" comment to Heph.

As for the wild rod theories, I'll have to get back to them tomorrow, I'm too tired to figure out what the hell happened.


Another person calling it wild? Weren't you the one that found it in the OP>!>>?

While I think it's too improbable to waste time on discussin, I don't find it a wild idea. Let's wait for Linkz and see what he says.

The mind control part like I described it isn't the part I'm calling wild. It's the part about Linkz's miller ability transfering to hatmoza that I don't buy at all.



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TruckOSaurus on 23 September 2011
Wonktonodi said:
since hat is dead and his role confirmed I will explain further, supersaint variation of bomb, I wasn't going to call Flynn a supersaint though.

Are you saying hatmoza didn't have the miller ability?



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Wonktonodi on 23 September 2011
TruckOSaurus said:
Wonktonodi said:
since hat is dead and his role confirmed I will explain further, supersaint variation of bomb, I wasn't going to call Flynn a supersaint though.

Are you saying hatmoza didn't have the miller ability?

no he was still a miller I was just clarifying the bomb part.



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TruckOSaurus on 23 September 2011
Linkzmax said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Linkzmax said:
EBWOP: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4226400

"I will have a random order generated that I will keep to myself. If when someone roleclaims if the list is on something that wouldn't apply to that player I bump them to next item on the list that would apply."

I'm not sure why you post this as a defense of your position since it backs what I've been saying.

Let's call the penalties A, B and C and that we agree only C applies to you.

When you roleclaimed, no matter the random generated order that Wonk has you'll always end up with C. Even if the order is ABBABBBBAAABAAC. That's because it says "I bump them to [the] next item on the list that would apply. For you that item is always C.

How do you and Heph not see that your logic could be used to confirm every vanilla townie as pro-town?(plus possibly a couple of powered townies if they hit "lose vote" on the list) Clearly there NEEDS to be exceptions to the rule.

How do you not see that by your logic the "Lose a vote" option would NEVER apply?



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theprof00 on 23 September 2011
TruckOSaurus said:
theprof00 said:
TruckOSaurus said:
I sure hope hatmoza's bomb power wasn't percentage based because I absolutely hate those.
I also hope this isn't Wonk penalizing him for a soft-claim because of his "I don't like that you used bomb as an example" comment to Heph.

As for the wild rod theories, I'll have to get back to them tomorrow, I'm too tired to figure out what the hell happened.


Another person calling it wild? Weren't you the one that found it in the OP>!>>?

While I think it's too improbable to waste time on discussin, I don't find it a wild idea. Let's wait for Linkz and see what he says.

The mind control part like I described it isn't the part I'm calling wild. It's the part about Linkz's miller ability transfering to hatmoza that I don't buy at all.

Ah yes I see. But then how do we explain linkz situation? Really 2 millers? I don't want anyone to be mistakenly lynched simply because we didn't think about possible alternatives. IMO 2 millers is pretty deadly to town. That would mean at least one mislynch down the line, which given a night-kill, would result in completely erasing the buffer of successfully lynching a mafia...I also can't imagine there being two cops, because that would mean that there is the possible chance that not only would there be a counter claim resulting in possibly two dead cops, but then we would lynch who they fingered once we realized they were town, and lynch two millers. Potentially 4 days of mislynching. That doesn't sit well with me...at least not enough to be probable.

One cop could only maximally result in two mislynches if there are two millers, which makes more sense, though still seems a bit over powered in favor of the mafia.

I'm all for traditional scum hunting, but I've seen many times where I've made good points, only to be trumped by a cop who investigated someone. The cop virtually supercedes all discussion, which is why a lot of my scumhunting usually occurs during twilight.

But I do agree that switching roles might be farfetched.



A Bad Clown on 23 September 2011

There only situations there can be 2 millers are if hatmoza wasn't actually a miller (like trucks just asked wonk) or if Linkz is the opposite of hatmozas role. Super saint is powerful so I dont think wonk would put in the role where the bomb player kills whoever voted him first the day he was lynched. I can't remember the name of the role but I almost put it in my mafia game



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A Bad Clown on 23 September 2011

Well posting from my phone took so long that I missed wonk confirming hatmoza as miller. Who actually thinks wonk would put two millers in a game?



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TruckOSaurus on 23 September 2011

The fact that we have two millers doesn't sit well with me either. It's pretty cruel for the cop and it gives a big edge to the Mafia. I would lynch Linkzmax right now if it wasn't for the fact that the role fits so very well with Chloe.



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