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EBWOP: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4226400

"I will have a random order generated that I will keep to myself. If when someone roleclaims if the list is on something that wouldn't apply to that player I bump them to next item on the list that would apply."



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theprof00 said:
Linkzmax said:
hatmoza said:

Chloe fits the ability, just like my character fits theirs. And in case you didn't figure it out Einstein, that's the reason I believe you are town. I'm not worried about people assuming I'm budding up with you, results of my/your findings will back up our pro-alignment.

I did research, and I cannot say anything about it or I'll lose my ability. A single word can give it away. Let's just say It was such a forgettable moment in the game for me.

I addressed why it's easy to figure out Chloe given a simple conditional. It was strange due to your flip-flop in assurances, which has only now been explained by a forgettable moment. Fine by me.

What's a forgettable moment? One where you can't remember why you said something?

Are you asking me?

I'm simply not pushing hat for his name if it is tied so closely to his ability. I doubt he'd actually receive a penalty given the rules,(HAH) but that's why I asked others to figure it out, to see if the change is justifiable.



nen-suer said:
Linkzmax said:
nen-suer said:

How sure are you that hat is mafia?

That kinda of question i would expect from Proff and his mind games,but coming from you just give more negative vibes.

"As sure i'm of you" is the answer to your question.

And from the way you responded to Hep when he said he will lynch you convinced me that there is a connection between you too.

You seemed very worried.

If you were so convinced, why was I only at 75% and why is hat now the same as me? And I find it funny that you call my calling for Heph's head me being worried. A 1-for-1 trade is usually pretty good for town, so I'd be happy enough with a scum hat lynching, but then if I'm lynched my flip could very well get a scum Heph lynched too so I'd be pleased as punch.(On a tangent, I'm so easily amused. I'll have to explain the current thought I had here later/postgame) On the other hand, hypothetical scum me knows that once I'm dead my word means squat and it should have no weight on a Heph lynch.



Hephaestos said:
Linkzmax said:
Last time I'll discuss my non-penalized issue. Do you guys think if everyone claimed Town/Townie/Pro-town/whatever the PMs say that as the penalty cycled through the list we could confirm 2 or 3 of the 8 or 9 townies by their loss of vote? It's an exploit which doesn't belong in this game or any other.

if 2 people claimed they would not get the same penalty... at least that is what I gathered from wonk's post. and thus it's not possible to confirm anything.

Say the bomb claims... he could at random lose his suicide attack, lose his passive defensive suicide or not be able to vote. So technically a miller should at random be either not impacted or not able to vote... this would make it a 50% chance of being confirmable, such as every other player.


I really don't like how you used a miller and a bomb as an example :/



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hatmoza said:

How many times do I have to say that lynching me is out of the question. That's the 3rd time someone said something like, "I don't feel like lynching hat." No one has control over that matter. I can't get lynched because I won't allow it. And no, I'm not hinting that I'm unlynchable.

I doubt you are hinting mayor either. Not a flavor contradiction, just from your fear of losing an ability. I'm so tempted to vote you just for the lulz though. Stupid me for thinking you're town and playing to win.



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A Bad Clown said:

Linkz role claimed pretty quick, but I'm not sure who he's supposed to be.

I am Chloe Frazer, town miller. It was first said by hat and I later confirmed it, did you miss it because of the apparent 404s(I've had no issues, but I'm not questioning the existence) or just rushing to catch up?

Please use your hobo role to confirm me! Ooh, or Stefl could botch a Lie Detector investigation and get me wrongfully lynched and lose the game.(Still on his side on that one though) :P



Hephaestos said:
Well... I usually prefer no lynch to random lynch on day one... It'll likely end up no lynch but we do have plurality so i'll give it a shot.

I still feel uncomfortable lynching Hat. I'd feel uncomfortable lynching prof. Radish I see no real reason to lynch and the same for Nen... so since the other players haven't particularly been influential the game, I'll do something I'd normally feel uncomfortable with, I'm voting linkz.
I'm with trucks on that one, I don't see how you'd be allowed to circumvent the rules, heck Wonk could have done, "you'll lose your vote at random", but no, you're just not impacted. That and the miller claim itself...you're the one who made the precedent of mafia hiding behind miller... and you're too smart to do twice the same trick, that's why you did it day one, it's bolder than before, so that it appears more natural and not premeditated as last time, so it is not the same trick, though it looks like it is to make it "unlikely".

Vote: Linkz

Finally, to actually comment on your vote. It was obvious that it was coming, but I like it.(well clearly not that it puts me a vote closer to being lynched, but like you better for it) It's well reasoned even though I wouldn't be making the same vote were our positions reversed.

Now I'm gonna shut up for a while so the rest of you can talk. I don't think I'll be(and I certainly shouldn't be) awake at deadline, but I will be back sometime before it.



hatmoza said:
Hephaestos said:
Linkzmax said:
Last time I'll discuss my non-penalized issue. Do you guys think if everyone claimed Town/Townie/Pro-town/whatever the PMs say that as the penalty cycled through the list we could confirm 2 or 3 of the 8 or 9 townies by their loss of vote? It's an exploit which doesn't belong in this game or any other.

if 2 people claimed they would not get the same penalty... at least that is what I gathered from wonk's post. and thus it's not possible to confirm anything.

Say the bomb claims... he could at random lose his suicide attack, lose his passive defensive suicide or not be able to vote. So technically a miller should at random be either not impacted or not able to vote... this would make it a 50% chance of being confirmable, such as every other player.


I really don't like how you used a miller and a bomb as an example :/

I really don't like this whole exchange. What are you trying to say here, Hat?



Linkzmax said:
Hrrmm, I didn't fully explain. My understanding of the rules is that the random order of the penalty is going to apply consecutively to every claim. So it'd be a passive loss->vote->active loss->passive loss cycle. Otherwise it's easy to figure out the order and decide how severe the penalty is. Even if I'm wrong, then you'd still confirm every vanilla townie, since neither an active loss or passive loss would apply.

no cause active and passive losses are only confirmable by the claimant...



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Linkzmax said:
EBWOP: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4226400

"I will have a random order generated that I will keep to myself. If when someone roleclaims if the list is on something that wouldn't apply to that player I bump them to next item on the list that would apply."

I'm not sure why you post this as a defense of your position since it backs what I've been saying.

Let's call the penalties A, B and C and that we agree only C applies to you.

When you roleclaimed, no matter the random generated order that Wonk has you'll always end up with C. Even if the order is ABBABBBBAAABAAC. That's because it says "I bump them to [the] next item on the list that would apply. For you that item is always C.



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