By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - General Discussion - VGC's Mafia Round 33 Uncharted Mayhem

Hephaestos said:
hatmoza said:
So we know Heph,stating that he doesn't have a nice ass, isn't Nathan, Elena or Chloe. They have nice asses. Though I'm thinking maybe the mod is roleplaying Nathan.

So that leaves us with Radish and Linkz being one of the 3 characters mentioned above.

I can assure everyone that character does not equal alliance, or role for that matter O_o


1) missreading

2) 12 players, 13 people at the dig site, one dies... I doubt the mod is roleplaying any character.

1-Nothing to misread. I deducted that Radish and Linkz are Elena and Chloe. StillI could be very wrong. I doubt it, but I could.

2- Lets just say, Nathan got my message loud and clear.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

Around the Network
Linkzmax said:
hatmoza said:
Ok, after sleeping onj it. I believe Linkz.

He's Chloe and Miller. They fit. What makes even more sense to me is that he was not afraid to roleclaim because none of the consequences Wonk listed will apply to him. He has no ability to lose.

Interestingly enough, after reading a little bit more about my character, I have no proof like I claimed earlier that role character and alignment don't match.

It's strange that you ruled out Elena(Nathan I can understand given your previous reasoning) given your previous assurance that character does not equal aliance or role. Did you really do some research or was it gauging for reactions?

That being said, the name was pretty easy to figure out once I agreed it was one of three people IF you try to match character with role and alignment. However, I also think it's odd you didn't think I'd be penalized when at least two others assumed I did.

I don't expect/want radish to nameclaim, but if you were right about us earlier than he's Elena, and I'd wager someone more experienced in Uncharted could guess your character(given the nice ass comment) and then we'd know if this change in belief actually fits.


Chloe fits the ability, just like my character fits theirs. And in case you didn't figure it out Einstein, that's the reason I believe you are town. I'm not worried about people assuming I'm budding up with you, results of my/your findings will back up our pro-alignment.

I did research, and I cannot say anything about it or I'll lose my ability. A single word can give it away. Let's just say It was such a forgettable moment in the game for me.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

TruckOSaurus said:
hatmoza said:
Baalzamon said:
Honestly, with what I've seen of Hatmoza in mafia, this just seems like Hatmoza being Hatmoza. He tries to get things all worked up and getting the attention spotlight on him. Not saying there is anything bad about this, it is just how I've interpreted his playstyle.


But there's always a secret to my attention seeking -doing and saying things so retarded (not always retarded though D:) that it provokes reactions and opinions. Which gives me and other pro towns a better read on players. Scum need something so blatantly contradictory to grasp on, and I'm always more than happy to provide the bait. And I'm not talking about who teams up with me and who throws suspicion on me. I could care less about that. I want genuine reactions so I can decide who is actively trying to scum hunt, and who are the actors.

... either that or I'm just drunk talking atm.

Are you saying you went from being sure character/alignment AND role/character didn't match to being sure of the exact opposite on purpose?


No, that there was not deliberate. That I figured out later.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

wow I messed up my addition beforei It should have been 31 hours left before. Since it's just under 29 hours left now.



I changed my mind.

Vote radishhead.



Tag (courtesy of fkusumot): "Please feel free -- nay, I encourage you -- to offer rebuttal."
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
My advice to fanboys: Brag about stuff that's true, not about stuff that's false. Predict stuff that's likely, not stuff that's unlikely. You will be happier, and we will be happier.

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Sen. Pat Moynihan
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
The old smileys: ; - ) : - ) : - ( : - P : - D : - # ( c ) ( k ) ( y ) If anyone knows the shortcut for , let me know!
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
I have the most epic death scene ever in VGChartz Mafia.  Thanks WordsofWisdom! 

Around the Network

VOTALS!

on players

Hat: prof, nen,

Radish: vett, final-fan

by players

prof: hat

nen: hat

vett: radish

final-fan: radish

with 12 people it would take 7 votes for a majority, with the current spread of votes 7 is what is needed for a lynch before the time limit.



TruckOSaurus said:
Linkzmax said:

TruckOSaurus said:

There's also the option where we take advantage of the roleclaim penalty in place and use his non-vote to confirm him.

Not an option. I would have liked it if that were the case as it would have confirmed me and my vote wouldn't be as important on the first day as on a later day, but I checked with Wonk prior to my claim(or it would have been in my first post instead) and he either realized that would be the case or got lucky. I'm not going to incur a loss of vote for the day.

I just reread Wonk's rules about roleclaiming and I don't see any reason why you shouldn't lose your vote today.

There's three options:

Loss of activte ability - you don't have one
Loss of positive passive ability - being scanned guilty is not positive
Loss of vote - the only one that applies to you

Since Wonk said that if the penalty he "draws" for the person who roleclaims doesn't apply, he'll move on to the next down the list you should be guaranteed to lose your vote today.

Should I repeat myself? You're literally saying that a nearly unconfirmable role should be easily confirmed by a nearly meaningless penalty at this point in the game.



Final-Fan said:
I changed my mind.

Vote radishhead.


Because you think I'm Mafia, or because you think I'm a threat to the town?



Click this button, you know you want to!  [Subscribe]

Watch me on YouTube!

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheRadishBros

~~~~ Mario Kart 8 drove far past my expectations! Never again will I doubt the wheels of a Monster Franchise! :0 ~~~~

Hephaestos said:
Linkzmax said:

Who's to say Chloe had to be very important though?(assuming that by paint a target you mean look like power, not look bad) Just because a character is important in the flavor doesn't mean they need to be in Mafia. In your hyopthetical situation, if someone else claimed Chloe I would obviously have to counterclaim and lie, knowing I'd be dead very soon, or come up with another claim quickly. There is no point in delaying a counter nameclaim.

The premise of the idea isn't too bad, but unless mafia can discuss during the day here it's far too coordinated. Even then, it would be too premature to set up a fakenameclaim. Additionally, the fact that I basically narrowed the field down to just two names would be horribly risky. Couple that with the miller claim it's just asking for a lynch when pretty much nothing was going on. A safelist for fakeclaims would alleviate many of the flaws I pointed out, but since alignment of the character doesn't equal alignment here, I'd say that's very unlikely.


well you norrowed it to 2 names now, not before a time passed with no chloe claim... the sexy ass can be said of anyone... each his own taste. (Sir Mixalot would tell you of a type of ass that I don't find sexy, yet he seems to think they are).

That's not a line of thought I wish to argue further though, it was a point on the odness of Hat's attitude thowards you and not on you claiming.

It's a line of thought you can't argue further because it's simply wrong. While you FoSed hat for it, "This here sounds even worse... it's a name claim (which are authorised) made by a player for an otherone.... so what happends, well the real chloe can say "No" and directly paint a target on him/herself... or this can become a confirmation of linkz that will be only undone by chloe's death at which point Linkz can just say "i never said I was chloe"." very much reads like you're implying hat did it to set a fakeclaim for me. You are further pushing that idea here by saying I didn't narrow it sooner, which wasn't the case either.(And yes I know how you could try to rebute that, but I'm expecting you not to, which isn't to say it's bad not to) Oh how I wish timestamps weren't such absolute crap here. I can only give a post-by-post instead:

hat asked who has a nice ass -> radish claims his character definitely fits -> TOS doesn't mention the topic -> same for nen -> Baal checks in -> nen reply's to question with "Hey, I'm up here"(I haven't yet checked if it's soft-claim or the general 'I'm more than my assests') -> Kantor checks in(speaking of, where's he been?) -> I claim my character has a hot ass.

So of those 5 people, we have two check ins, one yes, one "avoiding", and one that I haven't fully considered yet. Zero denials. As for what qualifies, I looked up Chloe Frazer(no I'm not familiar with the flavor) and it wasn't long before I came across mentions of her ass being hot, sexy, nice, etc.. continuing with the timeline:

you state you don't know about your character's ass -> hat makes his post that radish and I are probably Elena, Chloe, or Nathan(and states he thinks Nathan is being mod roleplayed) -> hat states character has a nice ass -> I say hat is right about me

Again, zero denials and 4 people have yet to even post after the initial question. This is where I narrowed myself into one of two names. I can't say "you're right" and not correct the theory on Nathan or that would be questioned if I tried to fakeclaim him later. As hypothetical scum it'd be absolutley insane to force myself into one of two(or even three if you care to disagree with my last point) nameclaims when hat(and it wouldn't matter what his alignment is) stated only three characters have hot asses and there were two yeses on the table and zero denials.



Hephaestos said:
Linkzmax said:

I don't like hat's way of defending me.
I really don't like the connection you're trying to draw from me to him though. First, I doubt a scum hat would be so contradictory in defending a hypothetical scum me. Second, you seem to be trying to avoid a hat lynch, yet setting up my lynch as insurance in case scum hat dies first.

So here's one for you, if hat flips mafia, you're being lynched after me.(preferably before but that's up to the masses) Short of an innocent scan from confirmed cop and a godfather flip that is, or something equally as good. And yes I'd wager both exist if it's a highly powered round, otherwise I'm likely the only counter to the cop.

So firstly it's a connection from him to you and even if you were a true miller, this can be relegated as buddying, so there's no reason for not pointing out this connection. As you said, you're expecting to be lynched... why would i need to insure anything? you already did that by claiming miller on day one.

Semantics. Though it doesn't read literally as such, I meant the scummates implication you were making which is a two-way connection. You did clearly only state it as one direction,(though as I've done in the past, hat makes a good point in the flaws of your logic) though with the connections you've made I feel like you're already painting me as scum and using others as evidence against me.

The fact that you said I'd be a direct lynch if hat flips mafia means you aren't even considering he could be buddying up to me, which means you are again implying I'm scum. There's little harm for scum in pushing for an "easy" mislynch and huge gains if the focus of a day can be on said mislynch.

Finally, it's a statement like the bolded which is why I'm expecting to be lynched, but I don't think it's a certainty either. I know that auto-lynching a miller claim at some point during the game isn't the right move, and I have some faith that there are others that will see that also.