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radishhead said:
Hephaestos said:
radishhead said:
 Also, I did a quick wiki check on the character that I believe Linkz might be and I can sort of understand why they might be a miller character.

I have no idea why people accepted this statement....

Linkz claims miller -> radish thinks of a character that fits miller -> Wiki said character -> surprise! it's probable this is a miller character....

Why wiki what you already knew?

I think this is the main reason why people are suspicious of me at the moment, and I thought that it was obvious that it was actually a soft-claim (although I can't tell you if it's a claim of role, power or both). I can help you work out the situation, but I can't directly tell you what I was trying to imply with that statement:

- Look at Hatmosa's post, page 1; post 24 http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4227657

- Look at my (Radishhead)'s post, page 2; post 11 http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4227941

- Look at my (Radishhead)'s post, page 3; post 5 http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4228418

 

If you understand where I'm coming from after studying these posts, please don't directly comment on what you believe the situation to be (due to targetting etc), but instead respond with a statement of acknowledgement - thanks :)

Providing links for those of you like me that don't have pages set to 25 posts per :P

And as I understood it, the train of thought was more like:
Linkz claims miller -> radish thinks of a character that Linkz might be -> Wiki said character might fit as a miller -> okay radish believes for now

 

Well then, onslaught over. Much needed sleep(more like a nap :( ) begins. Looking forward to many, many posts to read(and maybe respond to while at work) tomorrow.



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I have put the role claim rules all together in post 3 to make things more clear and easier to find since there seemed to be some confusion,



hatmoza said:
Baalzamon said:
Honestly, with what I've seen of Hatmoza in mafia, this just seems like Hatmoza being Hatmoza. He tries to get things all worked up and getting the attention spotlight on him. Not saying there is anything bad about this, it is just how I've interpreted his playstyle.


But there's always a secret to my attention seeking -doing and saying things so retarded (not always retarded though D:) that it provokes reactions and opinions. Which gives me and other pro towns a better read on players. Scum need something so blatantly contradictory to grasp on, and I'm always more than happy to provide the bait. And I'm not talking about who teams up with me and who throws suspicion on me. I could care less about that. I want genuine reactions so I can decide who is actively trying to scum hunt, and who are the actors.

... either that or I'm just drunk talking atm.

Are you saying you went from being sure character/alignment AND role/character didn't match to being sure of the exact opposite on purpose?



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Linkzmax said:

TruckOSaurus said:

There's also the option where we take advantage of the roleclaim penalty in place and use his non-vote to confirm him.

Not an option. I would have liked it if that were the case as it would have confirmed me and my vote wouldn't be as important on the first day as on a later day, but I checked with Wonk prior to my claim(or it would have been in my first post instead) and he either realized that would be the case or got lucky. I'm not going to incur a loss of vote for the day.

I just reread Wonk's rules about roleclaiming and I don't see any reason why you shouldn't lose your vote today.

There's three options:

Loss of activte ability - you don't have one
Loss of positive passive ability - being scanned guilty is not positive
Loss of vote - the only one that applies to you

Since Wonk said that if the penalty he "draws" for the person who roleclaims doesn't apply, he'll move on to the next down the list you should be guaranteed to lose your vote today.



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UnHoS Radish

I believed that you were flip flopping when I HoSed. I no longer think that is the case.
But I'll keep an eye on you.

@Linkz
"However, I also think it's odd you didn't think I'd be penalized when at least two others assumed I did."
See, at that point in the game, I had an idea that Hat was being sneaky.
Myself, I wanted to see who immediately believed you, because to me, that belief can only be supported by KNOWING that you're town. I figured Hat was in on it with me by leaving the vote-penalty out. Similarly, I was going to wait and see (before the rule was brought up) whether or not Linkz was "vote-cleared" before Heph brought it up.
I have to think more about this because a lot of his reactions have been "this is what I normally do" (which is already offputting), and he didn't respond to Heph in this way (was it an accident?)

So, as far as the penalty, I'm not sure it's such a big deal, and it is really the only reason I'm not fully pushing for his lynch. Again, this positive is greatly offset by his auto-acceptance of you (which is also in some way connected to the rule).



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last paragraph should read it's not such a big deal that he left it out



Linkzmax said:
radishhead said:
Hephaestos said:
radishhead said:
 Also, I did a quick wiki check on the character that I believe Linkz might be and I can sort of understand why they might be a miller character.

I have no idea why people accepted this statement....

Linkz claims miller -> radish thinks of a character that fits miller -> Wiki said character -> surprise! it's probable this is a miller character....

Why wiki what you already knew?

I think this is the main reason why people are suspicious of me at the moment, and I thought that it was obvious that it was actually a soft-claim (although I can't tell you if it's a claim of role, power or both). I can help you work out the situation, but I can't directly tell you what I was trying to imply with that statement:

- Look at Hatmosa's post, page 1; post 24 http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4227657

- Look at my (Radishhead)'s post, page 2; post 11 http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4227941

- Look at my (Radishhead)'s post, page 3; post 5 http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4228418

 

If you understand where I'm coming from after studying these posts, please don't directly comment on what you believe the situation to be (due to targetting etc), but instead respond with a statement of acknowledgement - thanks :)

Providing links for those of you like me that don't have pages set to 25 posts per :P

And as I understood it, the train of thought was more like:
Linkz claims miller -> radish thinks of a character that Linkz might be -> Wiki said character might fit as a miller -> okay radish believes for now

 

Well then, onslaught over. Much needed sleep(more like a nap :( ) begins. Looking forward to many, many posts to read(and maybe respond to while at work) tomorrow.

Ah yes with hat's post in perspective it does explain the train of though better (you're still on FoS for the Hat link z)



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Linkzmax said:

Who's to say Chloe had to be very important though?(assuming that by paint a target you mean look like power, not look bad) Just because a character is important in the flavor doesn't mean they need to be in Mafia. In your hyopthetical situation, if someone else claimed Chloe I would obviously have to counterclaim and lie, knowing I'd be dead very soon, or come up with another claim quickly. There is no point in delaying a counter nameclaim.

The premise of the idea isn't too bad, but unless mafia can discuss during the day here it's far too coordinated. Even then, it would be too premature to set up a fakenameclaim. Additionally, the fact that I basically narrowed the field down to just two names would be horribly risky. Couple that with the miller claim it's just asking for a lynch when pretty much nothing was going on. A safelist for fakeclaims would alleviate many of the flaws I pointed out, but since alignment of the character doesn't equal alignment here, I'd say that's very unlikely.


well you norrowed it to 2 names now, not before a time passed with no chloe claim... the sexy ass can be said of anyone... each his own taste. (Sir Mixalot would tell you of a type of ass that I don't find sexy, yet he seems to think they are).

That's not a line of thought I wish to argue further though, it was a point on the odness of Hat's attitude thowards you and not on you claiming.



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Linkzmax said:

I don't like hat's way of defending me.
I really don't like the connection you're trying to draw from me to him though. First, I doubt a scum hat would be so contradictory in defending a hypothetical scum me. Second, you seem to be trying to avoid a hat lynch, yet setting up my lynch as insurance in case scum hat dies first.

So here's one for you, if hat flips mafia, you're being lynched after me.(preferably before but that's up to the masses) Short of an innocent scan from confirmed cop and a godfather flip that is, or something equally as good. And yes I'd wager both exist if it's a highly powered round, otherwise I'm likely the only counter to the cop.

So firstly it's a connection from him to you and even if you were a true miller, this can be relegated as buddying, so there's no reason for not pointing out this connection. As you said, you're expecting to be lynched... why would i need to insure anything? you already did that by claiming miller on day one.



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Wonktonodi said:
the banana had been poked

also heph was there actually a question for me in there?

no I just quoted the rules for my argument. The only request was you poking the banana.... that sounded wierd...



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