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nen-suer said:

I can't say i trust Linkz role claim specially since its impossible to confirm.

If it was any normal player i would have decided on lynching him right away, but i think we should keep him around for a little while

because Linkz can be a big asset as town.........but he will always be a good lynch choice in the future.

"I don't expect anyone to trust me" "I fully expect to be tested on the claim. By tested I mean likely by lynch"

I guess you were answering prof, but it seems like you took my words and switched them to your perspective, and threw the middle line in for originality. I also can't say I agree with it, as I don't think a "normal player" would take the risk of fakeclaim as scum, and so I'd be more inclined to believe them.(barring a counterclaim of course) I am glad though that you don't seem to be inclined to lynch me at this point, because I'm dead set on nabbing scum again.



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nen-suer said:
radishhead said:
The way that he claimed miller immediately makes me more inclined to believe him than if he only said it after being investigated. Having played a few games with Linkz, I'm sure you agree that he isn't the type to draw attention to himself like that except if it's very necessary. Also, I did a quick wiki check on the character that I believe Linkz might be and I can sort of understand why they might be a miller character.

Ahh....come on, role claiming miller after you get investigated by the cop just makes you more guilty.

Linkz is good target of first day investigation so him taking a preemptive strike is actually something i would expect from him.

Given the right circumstances, i would definitely fakeclaim miller as scum before an investigation, as I've already proven in a previous round. However, I don't think I make a good target for a first night scan because as town I believe I'm a better scum kill target. Obviously everyone doesn't necessarily feel that way, so that's part of the reason why I claimed so early. There's no point in wasting a cop scan whether I'm night-killed or not. It also means the doctor can focus on a smaller pool. It affects other pro-town roles too, but there's a mess of WIFOM there unfortunately so it's not really even worth explaining.



TruckOSaurus said:
radishhead said:
The way that he claimed miller immediately makes me more inclined to believe him than if he only said it after being investigated. Having played a few games with Linkz, I'm sure you agree that he isn't the type to draw attention to himself like that except if it's very necessary. Also, I did a quick wiki check on the character that I believe Linkz might be and I can sort of understand why they might be a miller character.

Hmmm no. Linkz is no stranger to drawing attention to himself, he monopolized much of the first days of discussion in the Grand Theft Auto game by doing his "I'm not reading my PM" act.

This is true, though I was town there and iirc I pegged two scum with that.(btw it wasn't an act, I didn't read my PM until I actually said I did)

However, I'm not afraid of attention as scum either, but it is far far less purposeful.



TruckOSaurus said:

There's also the option where we take advantage of the roleclaim penalty in place and use his non-vote to confirm him.

Not an option. I would have liked it if that were the case as it would have confirmed me and my vote wouldn't be as important on the first day as on a later day, but I checked with Wonk prior to my claim(or it would have been in my first post instead) and he either realized that would be the case or got lucky. I'm not going to incur a loss of vote for the day.



hatmoza said:
Ok, after sleeping onj it. I believe Linkz.

He's Chloe and Miller. They fit. What makes even more sense to me is that he was not afraid to roleclaim because none of the consequences Wonk listed will apply to him. He has no ability to lose.

Interestingly enough, after reading a little bit more about my character, I have no proof like I claimed earlier that role character and alignment don't match.

It's strange that you ruled out Elena(Nathan I can understand given your previous reasoning) given your previous assurance that character does not equal aliance or role. Did you really do some research or was it gauging for reactions?

That being said, the name was pretty easy to figure out once I agreed it was one of three people IF you try to match character with role and alignment. However, I also think it's odd you didn't think I'd be penalized when at least two others assumed I did.

I don't expect/want radish to nameclaim, but if you were right about us earlier than he's Elena, and I'd wager someone more experienced in Uncharted could guess your character(given the nice ass comment) and then we'd know if this change in belief actually fits.



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Hephaestos said:
radishhead said:
 Also, I did a quick wiki check on the character that I believe Linkz might be and I can sort of understand why they might be a miller character.

I have no idea why people accepted this statement....

Linkz claims miller -> radish thinks of a character that fits miller -> Wiki said character -> surprise! it's probable this is a miller character....

Why wiki what you already knew?

I think this is the main reason why people are suspicious of me at the moment, and I thought that it was obvious that it was actually a soft-claim (although I can't tell you if it's a claim of role, power or both). I can help you work out the situation, but I can't directly tell you what I was trying to imply with that statement:

- Look at Hatmosa's post, page 1; post 24

- Look at my (Radishhead)'s post, page 2; post 11

- Look at my (Radishhead)'s post, page 3; post 5

 

If you understand where I'm coming from after studying these posts, please don't directly comment on what you believe the situation to be (due to targetting etc), but instead respond with a statement of acknowledgement - thanks :)



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TruckOSaurus said:
Hmmm I'm torn... if anyone else made the kind of mistake radish just made I'd be all over their ass but given radish's history of sloppiness, I'm feeling like that would be wasted energy since that's what he always does.

It does seem pretty honest, given the order of the posts. It is troublesome that he missed a point by hat and prof's line of questioning at the time though. I would rather hear a ton from radish today and not give him so much flak for it.



Final-Fan said:
theprof00 said:
Furthermore, I'm starting to think that your claim of having a nice ass is dubious. I think it's just going to be a big joke in the end, no pun intended. Something like "lazaravic has a great ass", or more suspiciously, "harry flynn has a great ass"

Shrek has a great ass. 

I have now gotten my role PM. 

Welcome, what do you make of the day so far?



Hephaestos said:
well the feel of it right now is that there does seem to be a rush to protect linkz... at the same time I really don't understand the rush to claim miller... to me it's a pain for town as it's a character you'd want the mafia to target... now they certainly won't (whether he says the truth or not). Moreover, it's a forced lynch for town however linkz plays... as he basically gave us a cop result.

I'm not a fan of millers claiming, but he did and people defend him, finding arguments for him... so ok, if Hat flips mafia then it's a direct linkz lynch for me.

i'm not decided on lynching hat just yet though ^^

I already kind of went over why I claimed so early, but I'm selfish and don't want to die at night either where I can't get a last word in. If mafia's smart they'll take me out anyway simply due to the threat of my voice, and moreso because the longer I'm alive the more will be confirmed as honest thoughts once I flip.

I don't like hat's way of defending me.
I really don't like the connection you're trying to draw from me to him though. First, I doubt a scum hat would be so contradictory in defending a hypothetical scum me. Second, you seem to be trying to avoid a hat lynch, yet setting up my lynch as insurance in case scum hat dies first.

So here's one for you, if hat flips mafia, you're being lynched after me.(preferably before but that's up to the masses) Short of an innocent scan from confirmed cop and a godfather flip that is, or something equally as good. And yes I'd wager both exist if it's a highly powered round, otherwise I'm likely the only counter to the cop.



Hephaestos said:
hatmoza said:
Ok, after sleeping onj it. I believe Linkz.

He's Chloe and Miller. They fit. What makes even more sense to me is that he was not afraid to roleclaim because none of the consequences Wonk listed will apply to him. He has no ability to lose.

Interestingly enough, after reading a little bit more about my character, I have no proof like I claimed earlier that role character and alignment don't match.

This here sounds even worse... it's a name claim (which are authorised) made by a player for an otherone.... so what happends, well the real chloe can say "No" and directly paint a target on him/herself... or this can become a confirmation of linkz that will be only undone by chloe's death at which point Linkz can just say "i never said I was chloe".

Who's to say Chloe had to be very important though?(assuming that by paint a target you mean look like power, not look bad) Just because a character is important in the flavor doesn't mean they need to be in Mafia. In your hyopthetical situation, if someone else claimed Chloe I would obviously have to counterclaim and lie, knowing I'd be dead very soon, or come up with another claim quickly. There is no point in delaying a counter nameclaim.

The premise of the idea isn't too bad, but unless mafia can discuss during the day here it's far too coordinated. Even then, it would be too premature to set up a fakenameclaim. Additionally, the fact that I basically narrowed the field down to just two names would be horribly risky. Couple that with the miller claim it's just asking for a lynch when pretty much nothing was going on. A safelist for fakeclaims would alleviate many of the flaws I pointed out, but since alignment of the character doesn't equal alignment here, I'd say that's very unlikely.