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Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

On the one hand, clearly this guy sucks.

On the other hand, this is yet another scary ass reason I wouldn't want to live in the UK.

It's quite literally the government tracking you down and locking you up in jail for something you said on the internet.

For why this happened, and also an opinion on why it shouldn't....

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyyoung/100104832/loathsome-though-they-are-internet-trolls-should-not-be-sent-to-prison/

Considering the writer of that article, his opinion doesn't deserve much attention.

So you judge opinions by seeing who makes them rather then the merit of said arguements.

I mean, you honestly think it's GOOD that people are thrown into jail based on subjective criteria.

Let alone people born with a mental illness like the guy in this story.  (Who has Aspergers.)

Make no mistake, I actually read his whole post (despite the fact that I felt the need to stop reading after his first paragraph, because it clearly indicated what was coming), and I just didn't agree with him. Harassment shouldn't be protected by free speech laws.

And many people are actually misdiagnosed with Asperger syndrome, so the guy could've been just a jerk. From what I know about Asperger syndrome, they're capable of controlling their actions, and this guy clearly displayed a pattern of harassing people deliberately, hence he is a danger to society.



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Marks said:
sapphi_snake said:
Marks said:
sethnintendo said:
rutea7 said:
he should have been banned from social networks for life, he's a pathetic little creature


Sign me up for the ban.  Social network sites are pretty lame if you ask me (which is why I deleted all my accounts).  If anything he should have been made to do community service.  Where are you going to draw the line to what is a jailable offensive remark?  Humans are turning into big pussies and social networks are allowing them to become even more pussified.  If you kill yourself because of someone talking shit to you over the internet that you don't even know then you are pretty lame.  It is time to realize that humans can be nice and they can be shit.  You just gotta sift through the shit to find the good ones.  Too bad teenagers overreact to everything (aka thinking high school is the whole fucking world).


Couldn't agree more. All this political correctness and forcing us to be nice to each other is turning people into bitches/pussies. The founding fathers would probably be embarrassed at how their country is now, so few civil liberties. 

The founding fathers were also slave owners. And they have little to do with the UK.


There was nothing wrong with being a slave owner in the 1700's and 1800's. You can't compare today's standards to back then. I'm just saying they built this country on civil liberties and personal freedom, not on making everyone equal and happy. 

If you're going to idolize them, and hold them as role models for how people should act TODAY, then it's only proper to judge them by TODAY's standards. And 'civil liberties' and 'personal freedom' are kinda incompatible with inequality. They're also limited when it comes to hurting others.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

Marks said:


I wish I had empathy like you do (being honest here) but its just not who I am. If I say something sympathetic its just fabricated. I don't try to be something I'm not. 

And anyways I'm sick of this nanny state we're in. If the bullying ever became physical then I'm all for authority stepping in to stop it and punish the offender, that's what the government is there for...to protect individuals from others... but so called "cyber bullying" is so lame to me. Where do you draw the line on what's acceptable teasing and what is worthy of 4-5 months in jail (I think it said that guy got 18 weeks). With doing this now every parent of a kid who offs him/herself will be expecting the school bully to get 18 weeks in jail. 

The Internet and Scoial Media have changed the landscape of society, and it's only normal that laws adapt to these changes.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

reviniente said:

From the Wikipedia article on hate speech:

'There is an international consensus that hate speech needs to be prohibited by law, and that such prohibitions override or are irrelevant to guarantees of freedom of expression. The United States is perhaps unique among the developed world in that under law hate speech regulation is incompatible with free speech.'

Free speech should be kept free.

Like any right it should be limited. Hate speech is not free speech.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

I think you need to take serious action like this to actually show these mofos that there are consequences for being an asshole, even to people you don't know. Being nice doesn't cost you anything, but causing emotional pain to others just for the laughs is ridiculous.

That said though, I can't believe someone would kill themselves over some idiotic comments over the internet. It may have been hard to hear something bad said about herself, but she should have just blocked him.



 

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UltimateUnknown said:
I think you need to take serious action like this to actually show these mofos that there are consequences for being an asshole, even to people you don't know. Being nice doesn't cost you anything, but causing emotional pain to others just for the laughs is ridiculous.

That said though, I can't believe someone would kill themselves over some idiotic comments over the internet. It may have been hard to hear something bad said about herself, but she should have just blocked him.

Punishing bullies, even online, is right, but they just picked up one that has serious psychic problems and isn't one of those that bullied that poor girl when she was alive, he trolled her relatives when she was already dead: they didn't catch those guilty of actually pushing that girl to suicide and they punished just the first turd they could catch, even if he was guilty of a despicable but far less serious offence. The bullies that tormented her during the last period of her life are rich arrogant little bastards schoolmates of hers and "casually" they got away with it, unlike that poor mentally ill turd. Justice can't work this way.



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death by fire-ants, forced to bath in lighter fluid, set to bake in the sun in the sands of the sahara desert. yep a fitting end to those who bully.



Alby_da_Wolf said:
UltimateUnknown said:
I think you need to take serious action like this to actually show these mofos that there are consequences for being an asshole, even to people you don't know. Being nice doesn't cost you anything, but causing emotional pain to others just for the laughs is ridiculous.

That said though, I can't believe someone would kill themselves over some idiotic comments over the internet. It may have been hard to hear something bad said about herself, but she should have just blocked him.

Punishing bullies, even online, is right, but they just picked up one that has serious psychic problems and isn't one of those that bullied that poor girl when she was alive, he trolled her relatives when she was already dead: they didn't catch those guilty of actually pushing that girl to suicide and they punished just the first turd they could catch, even if he was guilty of a despicable but far less serious offence. The bullies that tormented her during the last period of her life are rich arrogant little bastards schoolmates of hers and "casually" they got away with it, unlike that poor mentally ill turd. Justice can't work this way.

For some reason, why doesn't  it surprise me that the troll has issues regarding alcohol and problems with socialising?

I mean yes I do feel bad that he has asperger's syndrome but I have trouble showing sympathy to someone who enjoys seeing others suffer, even if its mentally. I guess it goes back to the idea of resorting to trolling and making someone else miserable because you yourself are miserable.

And I do agree that the real bullies that caused her to commit suicide needed to be apprehended even moreso than this guy, but atleast this should send a clear message to those who take sick pleasure in causing others suffering.



 

I don't pity people who commit suicide, but as for jail time...

On one hand, letting trolls post sick/retarded comments is a wake up call for the world...to show just what kind of people are around us....

...on the other hand...it's time somebody shuts these fuckers up.



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UltimateUnknown said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
UltimateUnknown said:
I think you need to take serious action like this to actually show these mofos that there are consequences for being an asshole, even to people you don't know. Being nice doesn't cost you anything, but causing emotional pain to others just for the laughs is ridiculous.

That said though, I can't believe someone would kill themselves over some idiotic comments over the internet. It may have been hard to hear something bad said about herself, but she should have just blocked him.

Punishing bullies, even online, is right, but they just picked up one that has serious psychic problems and isn't one of those that bullied that poor girl when she was alive, he trolled her relatives when she was already dead: they didn't catch those guilty of actually pushing that girl to suicide and they punished just the first turd they could catch, even if he was guilty of a despicable but far less serious offence. The bullies that tormented her during the last period of her life are rich arrogant little bastards schoolmates of hers and "casually" they got away with it, unlike that poor mentally ill turd. Justice can't work this way.

For some reason, why doesn't  it surprise me that the troll has issues regarding alcohol and problems with socialising?

I mean yes I do feel bad that he has asperger's syndrome but I have trouble showing sympathy to someone who enjoys seeing others suffer, even if its mentally. I guess it goes back to the idea of resorting to trolling and making someone else miserable because you yourself are miserable.

And I do agree that the real bullies that caused her to commit suicide needed to be apprehended even moreso than this guy, but atleast this should send a clear message to those who take sick pleasure in causing others suffering.

They should determine whether Asperger syndrome let him understand well enough that what he was doing was wrong, if his ability to understand that is crippled, they should cure him. Obviously the cure should be mandatory, he couldn't refuse it, as, willing and conscious or not, he's harming other people, and he should be allowed to access the net again only after he completes rehab for alcoholism and if he carefully gets the psychiatric support he needs for all the time he needs it, even lifetime. If he was partially aware of what he was doing, he should receive mandatory treatment and, if the penalty appliable to what he did, considering the mitigating factors, still exceeds the period of mandatory treatment, a period of mandatory socially useful work, while continuing treatment.

But punishing just him sends at least two horribly wrong signals: that justice is happy to catch and punish the first poor turd it can, just to make public opinion and the victims or their relatives happy, and after that it doesn't care anymore, and that the rich can get away with crime.



Stwike him, Centuwion. Stwike him vewy wuffly! (Pontius Pilate, "Life of Brian")
A fart without stink is like a sky without stars.
TGS, Third Grade Shooter: brand new genre invented by Kevin Butler exclusively for Natal WiiToo Kinect. PEW! PEW-PEW-PEW!