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Marks said:
sethnintendo said:
rutea7 said:
he should have been banned from social networks for life, he's a pathetic little creature


Sign me up for the ban.  Social network sites are pretty lame if you ask me (which is why I deleted all my accounts).  If anything he should have been made to do community service.  Where are you going to draw the line to what is a jailable offensive remark?  Humans are turning into big pussies and social networks are allowing them to become even more pussified.  If you kill yourself because of someone talking shit to you over the internet that you don't even know then you are pretty lame.  It is time to realize that humans can be nice and they can be shit.  You just gotta sift through the shit to find the good ones.  Too bad teenagers overreact to everything (aka thinking high school is the whole fucking world).


Couldn't agree more. All this political correctness and forcing us to be nice to each other is turning people into bitches/pussies. The founding fathers would probably be embarrassed at how their country is now, so few civil liberties. 

The founding fathers were also slave owners. And they have little to do with the UK.



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sapphi_snake said:

So you're calling the victims of bullying 'lame'? And none of those kids killed themselves because they were bullied online by people they didn't know. This guy was spweing nasty remarks about them on sites dedicated to their memory, which constitutes as harassment. It's no different than writing obscenities on someone's grave.

I am calling people that kill themselves or others (and themselves) because they were bullied lame.  Almost everyone gets bullied at one point in school.  The ones that committed Columbine or other school school slayings were usually victims of being bullied.  Someone is called a slut, dork, etc...  all the time in school.   I'm just saying that teenagers need to realize that they will probably never see those fuckers again the rest of their lives yet they still feel a need to harm themselves or others because of the injustice of being bullied during their school years. 

I misread the story and assumed the girl threw herself under the train because of him (not being insulted after the incident).  Anyways, this just reminds me of Westboro Baptist Church that protests fallen military at their funerals stating that they died because of gays or whatever.  It is fucked up and I don't think they should be allowed to protest directly at a funeral site.  However, if one can't voice their opinion on dead people (there are plenty of dead people that one should be able to talk shit about including Hitler, Stalin, etc..) then what the fuck society are we becoming?



sethnintendo said:
sapphi_snake said:

So you're calling the victims of bullying 'lame'? And none of those kids killed themselves because they were bullied online by people they didn't know. This guy was spweing nasty remarks about them on sites dedicated to their memory, which constitutes as harassment. It's no different than writing obscenities on someone's grave.

I am calling people that kill themselves or others (and themselves) because they were bullied lame.  Almost everyone gets bullied at one point in school.  The ones that committed Columbine or other school school slayings were usually victims of being bullied.  Someone is called a slut, dork, etc...  all the time in school.   I'm just saying that teenagers need to realize that they will probably never see those fuckers again the rest of their lives yet they still feel a need to harm themselves or others because of the injustice of being bullied during their school years. 

I misread the story and assumed the girl threw herself under the train because of him (not being insulted after the incident).  Anyways, this just reminds me of Westboro Baptist Church that protests fallen military at their funerals stating that they died because of gays or whatever.  It is fucked up and I don't think they should be allowed to protest directly at a funeral site.  However, if one can't voice their opinion on dead people (there are plenty of dead people that one should be able to talk shit about including Hitler, Stalin, etc..) then what the fuck society are we becoming?

First of all, the kind of bullying the people who commit suicide usualyl experience goes far beyong being called a slut or a dork.

Second of all, you can say whatever you want about dead people, just don't commit harassment, which is just what this guy did, and what Westboro Baptist Church has done (why they haven't been arrested yet is beyond me; it's probably because they're christians, which means they get preferential treatment, especially when it comes to bullying gays).



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

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Troll got what he deserved.



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Well it makes sense lol it's called cyber bullying.

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sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

On the one hand, clearly this guy sucks.

On the other hand, this is yet another scary ass reason I wouldn't want to live in the UK.

It's quite literally the government tracking you down and locking you up in jail for something you said on the internet.

For why this happened, and also an opinion on why it shouldn't....

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyyoung/100104832/loathsome-though-they-are-internet-trolls-should-not-be-sent-to-prison/

Considering the writer of that article, his opinion doesn't deserve much attention.

So you judge opinions by seeing who makes them rather then the merit of said arguements.

I mean, you honestly think it's GOOD that people are thrown into jail based on subjective criteria.

Let alone people born with a mental illness like the guy in this story.  (Who has Aspergers.)



padib said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
 

Considering the writer of that article, his opinion doesn't deserve much attention.

So you judge opinions by seeing who makes them rather then the merit of said arguements.

Kasz, having read that article Toby Young makes a point that is: "Who can judge the subjectivity of offense". But a good comment at the bottom of the page sheds light on the objectivity of the matter:

"It's been mentioned, but I'll say it again.  This is not a case of a troll.  This is an evil kind of harassment, it is stalking, it is libel.  These people stalk the parents of dead children to leave public messages that their murdered daughters were whores who deserved to die.  These people steal pictures of crime scenes and anonymously pass them around and around and around, so whenever grieving parents go on the internet, there it is, yet again, a picture of their teenager's severed head, with more horrific comments concerning their dead child's lack of all worth and their having deserved to die.  These are endlessly forwarded on, so the parents have no peace.  It is harassment, it is stalking, and it is libel, all rolled into one."

True though, it does give a sense that people are less free to post the darker sides of their minds.

If it's libel, he should be sued for libel.  If he stole pictures from crime scenes.... he should be prosecuted for stealing pictures of crime scenes.

This would be like finding someone guilty of walking down the street, because he was walking down the street while wearing someone elses watch and talking with someone else about how they kill children.

It's utterly ridiculious... and sets a precedent that allows for the punishment of something that SHOULD be legally protected.

 

It's not stalking though.  That's silly.   


Let alone letting your first "perp" be one with a diagnosed mental illness that specifically makes it harder for him to relate with others.  (Aspergers.)



naruball said:
Ssenkahdavic said:
His comments can definitely been seen as sick and completely inappropriate, but jail time?


People/companies get sued millions for causing emotional distress, so it seems appropriate.


Yep and getting monetary reinburshment for causing emotional harm is very different from going to jail for it.



Ssenkahdavic said:
naruball said:
Ssenkahdavic said:
His comments can definitely been seen as sick and completely inappropriate, but jail time?


People/companies get sued millions for causing emotional distress, so it seems appropriate.


Yep and getting monetary reinburshment for causing emotional harm is very different from going to jail for it.


Aditionally "Emotional Distress" can only happen in a case of where something illegal happens in the first place.

I can't sue someone because they called me ugly and it made me feel bad.



padib said:
Kasz216 said:
padib said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
 

Considering the writer of that article, his opinion doesn't deserve much attention.

So you judge opinions by seeing who makes them rather then the merit of said arguements.

Kasz, having read that article Toby Young makes a point that is: "Who can judge the subjectivity of offense". But a good comment at the bottom of the page sheds light on the objectivity of the matter:

"It's been mentioned, but I'll say it again.  This is not a case of a troll.  This is an evil kind of harassment, it is stalking, it is libel.  These people stalk the parents of dead children to leave public messages that their murdered daughters were whores who deserved to die.  These people steal pictures of crime scenes and anonymously pass them around and around and around, so whenever grieving parents go on the internet, there it is, yet again, a picture of their teenager's severed head, with more horrific comments concerning their dead child's lack of all worth and their having deserved to die.  These are endlessly forwarded on, so the parents have no peace.  It is harassment, it is stalking, and it is libel, all rolled into one."

True though, it does give a sense that people are less free to post the darker sides of their minds.

If it's libel, he should be sued for libel.  If he stole pictures from crime scenes.... he should be prosecuted for stealing pictures of crime scenes.

1)Well, the commenter judged it as libel, you can agree or disagree. I personally agree that it is libel (which is defammation right?), though the laws in the UK fly miles over my head (I'm Canadian and not entrenched in law). Whether he is judged as that or not is a different story, and the verdict may or may not be the most just/true one. Not to say I discredit the verdict but again the poster may be right.

This would be like finding someone guilty of walking down the street, because he was walking down the street while wearing someone elses watch and talking with someone else about how they kill children.

It's utterly ridiculious... and sets a precedent that allows for the punishment of something that SHOULD be legally protected.

 

It's not stalking though.  That's silly.   

I think he was either mentioning facts that were ignored in the article, or relating to other instances where defamers were not incarcerated.

Let alone letting your first "perp" be one with a diagnosed mental illness that specifically makes it harder for him to relate with others.  (Aspergers.)

He has Aspergers does he? A mental illness? I didn't read that but ok.


He wasn't charged with libel in the courts.  So it's irrelevent.