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would you buy it

yes 49 31.61%
 
no 41 26.45%
 
maybe 9 5.81%
 
depends on price 56 36.13%
 
Total:155
Necromunda said:
Icyedge said:
Necromunda said:
Icyedge said:
killerzX said:
 

yeah, too bad none of that matters, because at 720p on .7 inch screen, no matter how close you eyes are, you wont be able to destinguish each pixel..

if i put my eye up against a object, im still not going to see a sub atomic particle. silly comparison put still works. 

when pixel density is that high, it doesnt matter. show me another .7 inch oled screen with a 1280x720p resolution, and then we can talk. 

if you wear these things and are able to make out the pixels, the you deseved to be worshiped, for you have suprhuman eye sight, and will have no use for microscopes

Your comparison is good, but sub atomic particle are a lot smaller then pixel on a .7 inch 720P screen. When im saying seeing the pixel, its more about being able to tell the difference between 720P and 1080P. You should only be able to see the pixels (black square) on white background.

Its a basic principle really, since its the pixels that compose the image, you cannot give the illusion of  a bigger screen without giving the illusion of bigger pixels, its just impossible. Whether your projecting the image or just getting really close to it doesnt matter. Whats important is how much of your viewing range it takes. Just think about looking at 3 different 70 inches TVs from 20 meters away, will you be able to tell which is 420P, 720P and 1080P? No! But at 2 meters? Yes, easily. Same thing goes for 3 different .7 inch screen. At 20 centimeters will you be able to tell which is 420P, 720P and 1080P? No! But at 2 centimeters? Yes, easily.


Because you've seen a 0.7 inch 720p screen right? I suggest we all just wait and see how good this thing actually is with our own eyes, because so far, its been pure speculation. I however, still firmly hold my ground on my standpoint, based upon the articles I've read, and my own personal knowledge on how the eye biologically operates and its specific limits.

I have a HMD. Standard resolution, but it doesnt matter to understand this principle. Those 720P HMD will not look better then my 1080P TV. They will look on par with my 720P projector looking at the 92 inches screens from 1.8 meters.


If this is true then answer me this, because now your statements are just pissing me off. Your assuming, with no real evidence whatsoever at this point to your claim, you haven't seen them yourself, and you clearly haven't been paying attention or reading the hands on impressions by the various tech journalists on the web. Now the question I ask you is, you make the lofty claim that these will not look better then your 1080P HDTV, yet there have been various claims that this HMD's picture quality rivals that of some of the top of the line HDTV's on the market. And these claims come from completely reputable sources, tech journalists, who know about all of this far more then you, and are far more reputable then you will probably ever be. Please, explain to me, if you know so much, how that could be?

I have evidence, the ability to differentiate screen resolution is related to viewing distance, or if you prefer, how much of your viewing field the screen take. Nothing to argue here. Beside, the report I read said it looks good, im sure of that too. Why not give me some quote said it looks better then 1080 P TV? Between, how do you know the said tech journalist are more knowledgeable then me on this matter?



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Necromunda said:
Icyedge said:
Necromunda said:
Icyedge said:
Necromunda said:
 


The size argument I am talking about doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the particular focus, I'm talking about the same reason we can see objects under a microscope that we can't see with the naked eye. It's the biological threshold of what we can see due to SIZE. There is a LIMIT to what the Human Eye can see, and the size of these individual pixels are far beyond that limit, regardless of how close to our eye it is, your formula, whether you like it or not, does not address that.

Also, you would be getting the equivalent of a 750 inch screen at 20 meters. You do in fact realize, that at that size, it will take up your entire field of vision, correct? Thats already been stated that this takes up, even most peoples peripheral vision, therefor giving the EQUIVALENT. You need to start understanding biology, and the limits of the human eye to understand what I'm talking about. Both Biology and Tech come into play here, you need to start addressing both.

Yes theres a limit to what the human eyes can see. When it comes to screen resolution, This limit is wholly dependant of your viewing distance. If any 720P screen (whatever its size) takes your entire field of vision, you will easily be able to tell the difference between 480P, 720P and 1080P +. Think about it, what is the need for a 720P HMD, why not stick to 480P? Because the difference is noticeable when the screen takes an important part of your field of vision. In a couple of years, we will see 1080P HMD, and they will look better.


Your wrong. I'm refrencing the eyes ability to distinguish two different objects, viewing distance plays a part in this, but size is just as essential. There is a point, in size, when the eye can no longer individually distinguish two objects. The size of these individual pixels, have surpassed that point. Therefor, you will NOT be able to see individual pixels, such as you claim. Hence why the limit of the human eye is so important and essentially in this tech, and why I am saying the difference between 720p and 1080p on a unit such as this would be essentially indistinguishable. 

Your wrong, plain and simple. I dont any advantage to downplay the product. The field of vision the image will take will make it easily possible to differentiate 480P, 720P or 1080P. Its worthless to try and explain further, try different set-up for yourself. Between, this is my 800 X 600 3D HMD I have since 7 years:

http://www.i-glassesstore.com/ig-hrvpro.html


I'm wrong? I love how you give no info to back that up, like I said, I used to be a bio-major and spent and entire section learning about the human eye and how it works. I'm 100% right, whether you like it or not. If I'm so wrong, then prove to me I'm wrong, I want to see cold hard evidence as to why my claim is wrong. Not only that but then you can go ahead and turn the medical world on its head regarding optics and how vision works, because you will no doubt be making a complete breakthrough that people far smarter then you, with far more resources and knowledge on the subject have not been able to stumble across.

Ironically, this is pertaining all to the resolution abilities of the human eye, do your own research and learn a few things, it will be good for you.


You had loads of info already, your the one that have never try an HMD and doesnt know screen resolution is wholly dependant of how much of your field of vision the screen take. Disolitude even get out of his way to find the exact formula to calculate when your not able to differentiate higher resolution VS viewing range. If you would be right, I might as well stick with 800 X 600 HMD.



Icyedge said:
Necromunda said:
Icyedge said:
Necromunda said:
Icyedge said:
killerzX said:
 

yeah, too bad none of that matters, because at 720p on .7 inch screen, no matter how close you eyes are, you wont be able to destinguish each pixel..

if i put my eye up against a object, im still not going to see a sub atomic particle. silly comparison put still works. 

when pixel density is that high, it doesnt matter. show me another .7 inch oled screen with a 1280x720p resolution, and then we can talk. 

if you wear these things and are able to make out the pixels, the you deseved to be worshiped, for you have suprhuman eye sight, and will have no use for microscopes

Your comparison is good, but sub atomic particle are a lot smaller then pixel on a .7 inch 720P screen. When im saying seeing the pixel, its more about being able to tell the difference between 720P and 1080P. You should only be able to see the pixels (black square) on white background.

Its a basic principle really, since its the pixels that compose the image, you cannot give the illusion of  a bigger screen without giving the illusion of bigger pixels, its just impossible. Whether your projecting the image or just getting really close to it doesnt matter. Whats important is how much of your viewing range it takes. Just think about looking at 3 different 70 inches TVs from 20 meters away, will you be able to tell which is 420P, 720P and 1080P? No! But at 2 meters? Yes, easily. Same thing goes for 3 different .7 inch screen. At 20 centimeters will you be able to tell which is 420P, 720P and 1080P? No! But at 2 centimeters? Yes, easily.


Because you've seen a 0.7 inch 720p screen right? I suggest we all just wait and see how good this thing actually is with our own eyes, because so far, its been pure speculation. I however, still firmly hold my ground on my standpoint, based upon the articles I've read, and my own personal knowledge on how the eye biologically operates and its specific limits.

I have a HMD. Standard resolution, but it doesnt matter to understand this principle. Those 720P HMD will not look better then my 1080P TV. They will look on par with my 720P projector looking at the 92 inches screens from 1.8 meters.


If this is true then answer me this, because now your statements are just pissing me off. Your assuming, with no real evidence whatsoever at this point to your claim, you haven't seen them yourself, and you clearly haven't been paying attention or reading the hands on impressions by the various tech journalists on the web. Now the question I ask you is, you make the lofty claim that these will not look better then your 1080P HDTV, yet there have been various claims that this HMD's picture quality rivals that of some of the top of the line HDTV's on the market. And these claims come from completely reputable sources, tech journalists, who know about all of this far more then you, and are far more reputable then you will probably ever be. Please, explain to me, if you know so much, how that could be?

I have evidence, the ability to differentiate screen resolution is related to viewing distance, or if you prefer, how much of your viewing field the screen take. Nothing to argue here. Beside, the report I read said it looks good, im sure of that too. Why not give me some quote said it looks better then 1080 P TV? Between, how do you know the said tech journalist are more knowledgeable then me on this matter?

Becuase they are PROFESSIONALS, and do this for a LIVING? And I've already posted a snippit earlier from a hands on impression, look for it yourself, I'm not wasting my time to post it again for you. And you can't seem to grasp the fact that there is MORE to consider then just viewing distance in this situation, can you? I outright explained it in detail, and you still don't understand because your stubborn, and thickheaded at best.



Necromunda said:
Icyedge said:
Necromunda said:
Icyedge said:
Necromunda said:
Icyedge said:
killerzX said:
 

yeah, too bad none of that matters, because at 720p on .7 inch screen, no matter how close you eyes are, you wont be able to destinguish each pixel..

if i put my eye up against a object, im still not going to see a sub atomic particle. silly comparison put still works. 

when pixel density is that high, it doesnt matter. show me another .7 inch oled screen with a 1280x720p resolution, and then we can talk. 

if you wear these things and are able to make out the pixels, the you deseved to be worshiped, for you have suprhuman eye sight, and will have no use for microscopes

Your comparison is good, but sub atomic particle are a lot smaller then pixel on a .7 inch 720P screen. When im saying seeing the pixel, its more about being able to tell the difference between 720P and 1080P. You should only be able to see the pixels (black square) on white background.

Its a basic principle really, since its the pixels that compose the image, you cannot give the illusion of  a bigger screen without giving the illusion of bigger pixels, its just impossible. Whether your projecting the image or just getting really close to it doesnt matter. Whats important is how much of your viewing range it takes. Just think about looking at 3 different 70 inches TVs from 20 meters away, will you be able to tell which is 420P, 720P and 1080P? No! But at 2 meters? Yes, easily. Same thing goes for 3 different .7 inch screen. At 20 centimeters will you be able to tell which is 420P, 720P and 1080P? No! But at 2 centimeters? Yes, easily.


Because you've seen a 0.7 inch 720p screen right? I suggest we all just wait and see how good this thing actually is with our own eyes, because so far, its been pure speculation. I however, still firmly hold my ground on my standpoint, based upon the articles I've read, and my own personal knowledge on how the eye biologically operates and its specific limits.

I have a HMD. Standard resolution, but it doesnt matter to understand this principle. Those 720P HMD will not look better then my 1080P TV. They will look on par with my 720P projector looking at the 92 inches screens from 1.8 meters.


If this is true then answer me this, because now your statements are just pissing me off. Your assuming, with no real evidence whatsoever at this point to your claim, you haven't seen them yourself, and you clearly haven't been paying attention or reading the hands on impressions by the various tech journalists on the web. Now the question I ask you is, you make the lofty claim that these will not look better then your 1080P HDTV, yet there have been various claims that this HMD's picture quality rivals that of some of the top of the line HDTV's on the market. And these claims come from completely reputable sources, tech journalists, who know about all of this far more then you, and are far more reputable then you will probably ever be. Please, explain to me, if you know so much, how that could be?

I have evidence, the ability to differentiate screen resolution is related to viewing distance, or if you prefer, how much of your viewing field the screen take. Nothing to argue here. Beside, the report I read said it looks good, im sure of that too. Why not give me some quote said it looks better then 1080 P TV? Between, how do you know the said tech journalist are more knowledgeable then me on this matter?

Becuase they are PROFESSIONALS, and do this for a LIVING? And I've already posted a snippit earlier from a hands on impression, look for it yourself, I'm not wasting my time to post it again for you. And you can't seem to grasp the fact that there is MORE to consider then just viewing distance in this situation, can you? I outright explained it in detail, and you still don't understand because your stubborn, and thickheaded at best.

Your not posting it because he didnt say it looks as good as 1080P TV...



Icyedge said:
Necromunda said:
Icyedge said:
Necromunda said:
Icyedge said:
Necromunda said:
 


The size argument I am talking about doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the particular focus, I'm talking about the same reason we can see objects under a microscope that we can't see with the naked eye. It's the biological threshold of what we can see due to SIZE. There is a LIMIT to what the Human Eye can see, and the size of these individual pixels are far beyond that limit, regardless of how close to our eye it is, your formula, whether you like it or not, does not address that.

Also, you would be getting the equivalent of a 750 inch screen at 20 meters. You do in fact realize, that at that size, it will take up your entire field of vision, correct? Thats already been stated that this takes up, even most peoples peripheral vision, therefor giving the EQUIVALENT. You need to start understanding biology, and the limits of the human eye to understand what I'm talking about. Both Biology and Tech come into play here, you need to start addressing both.

Yes theres a limit to what the human eyes can see. When it comes to screen resolution, This limit is wholly dependant of your viewing distance. If any 720P screen (whatever its size) takes your entire field of vision, you will easily be able to tell the difference between 480P, 720P and 1080P +. Think about it, what is the need for a 720P HMD, why not stick to 480P? Because the difference is noticeable when the screen takes an important part of your field of vision. In a couple of years, we will see 1080P HMD, and they will look better.


Your wrong. I'm refrencing the eyes ability to distinguish two different objects, viewing distance plays a part in this, but size is just as essential. There is a point, in size, when the eye can no longer individually distinguish two objects. The size of these individual pixels, have surpassed that point. Therefor, you will NOT be able to see individual pixels, such as you claim. Hence why the limit of the human eye is so important and essentially in this tech, and why I am saying the difference between 720p and 1080p on a unit such as this would be essentially indistinguishable. 

Your wrong, plain and simple. I dont any advantage to downplay the product. The field of vision the image will take will make it easily possible to differentiate 480P, 720P or 1080P. Its worthless to try and explain further, try different set-up for yourself. Between, this is my 800 X 600 3D HMD I have since 7 years:

http://www.i-glassesstore.com/ig-hrvpro.html


I'm wrong? I love how you give no info to back that up, like I said, I used to be a bio-major and spent and entire section learning about the human eye and how it works. I'm 100% right, whether you like it or not. If I'm so wrong, then prove to me I'm wrong, I want to see cold hard evidence as to why my claim is wrong. Not only that but then you can go ahead and turn the medical world on its head regarding optics and how vision works, because you will no doubt be making a complete breakthrough that people far smarter then you, with far more resources and knowledge on the subject have not been able to stumble across.

Ironically, this is pertaining all to the resolution abilities of the human eye, do your own research and learn a few things, it will be good for you.


You had loads of info already, your the one that have never try an HMD and doesnt know screen resolution is wholly dependant of how much of your field of vision the screen take. Disolitude even get out of his way to find the exact formula to calculate when your not able to differentiate higher resolution VS viewing range. If you would be right, I might as well stick with 800 X 600 HMD.


I've never tried an HMD? Now your ASSUMING, I've tried a variety as a matter of fact, so don't assume. I'm not going any farther on this, its already clear your not smart enough to grasp this concept. And regarding Disolitude's forumla, I already adressed that, and discussed the reason why it is flawed. I seriously hope for your sake, if your already in college, your taking an easy major, as seeing how stubborn and thickheaded you are, I could guarintee you that Biology would kick you on your ass.



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Icyedge said:
Necromunda said:
Icyedge said:
Necromunda said:
Icyedge said:
Necromunda said:
Icyedge said:
killerzX said:
 

yeah, too bad none of that matters, because at 720p on .7 inch screen, no matter how close you eyes are, you wont be able to destinguish each pixel..

if i put my eye up against a object, im still not going to see a sub atomic particle. silly comparison put still works. 

when pixel density is that high, it doesnt matter. show me another .7 inch oled screen with a 1280x720p resolution, and then we can talk. 

if you wear these things and are able to make out the pixels, the you deseved to be worshiped, for you have suprhuman eye sight, and will have no use for microscopes

Your comparison is good, but sub atomic particle are a lot smaller then pixel on a .7 inch 720P screen. When im saying seeing the pixel, its more about being able to tell the difference between 720P and 1080P. You should only be able to see the pixels (black square) on white background.

Its a basic principle really, since its the pixels that compose the image, you cannot give the illusion of  a bigger screen without giving the illusion of bigger pixels, its just impossible. Whether your projecting the image or just getting really close to it doesnt matter. Whats important is how much of your viewing range it takes. Just think about looking at 3 different 70 inches TVs from 20 meters away, will you be able to tell which is 420P, 720P and 1080P? No! But at 2 meters? Yes, easily. Same thing goes for 3 different .7 inch screen. At 20 centimeters will you be able to tell which is 420P, 720P and 1080P? No! But at 2 centimeters? Yes, easily.


Because you've seen a 0.7 inch 720p screen right? I suggest we all just wait and see how good this thing actually is with our own eyes, because so far, its been pure speculation. I however, still firmly hold my ground on my standpoint, based upon the articles I've read, and my own personal knowledge on how the eye biologically operates and its specific limits.

I have a HMD. Standard resolution, but it doesnt matter to understand this principle. Those 720P HMD will not look better then my 1080P TV. They will look on par with my 720P projector looking at the 92 inches screens from 1.8 meters.


If this is true then answer me this, because now your statements are just pissing me off. Your assuming, with no real evidence whatsoever at this point to your claim, you haven't seen them yourself, and you clearly haven't been paying attention or reading the hands on impressions by the various tech journalists on the web. Now the question I ask you is, you make the lofty claim that these will not look better then your 1080P HDTV, yet there have been various claims that this HMD's picture quality rivals that of some of the top of the line HDTV's on the market. And these claims come from completely reputable sources, tech journalists, who know about all of this far more then you, and are far more reputable then you will probably ever be. Please, explain to me, if you know so much, how that could be?

I have evidence, the ability to differentiate screen resolution is related to viewing distance, or if you prefer, how much of your viewing field the screen take. Nothing to argue here. Beside, the report I read said it looks good, im sure of that too. Why not give me some quote said it looks better then 1080 P TV? Between, how do you know the said tech journalist are more knowledgeable then me on this matter?

Becuase they are PROFESSIONALS, and do this for a LIVING? And I've already posted a snippit earlier from a hands on impression, look for it yourself, I'm not wasting my time to post it again for you. And you can't seem to grasp the fact that there is MORE to consider then just viewing distance in this situation, can you? I outright explained it in detail, and you still don't understand because your stubborn, and thickheaded at best.

Your not posting it because he didnt say it looks as good as 1080P TV...


ARE YOU DUMB?! I ALREADY POSTED IT IN THIS THREAD, I JUST EXPLICITLY STATED THAT IN MY PREVIOUS REPLY! I'm done dealing with you, honestly, your level of intelect is giving me a headache, and if I continue on like this I fear my brain might just implode.



LOL



Icyedge said:
LOL


We'll see who has the last laugh when more reviews and previews on this thing start coming out.



pezus said:

Seriously Necromunda...you're wrong and Disolitude has already proven it with his formula.


Did you even read my responses to his formula?



Necromunda said:
Icyedge said:
LOL


We'll see who has the last laugh when more reviews and previews on this thing start coming out.


And in a couple years we will see a 1080P update to this model, I hope you will be consequent and say it will make no difference, until you see it that is. Now ill go back to being a dumb lack of intellect individual who knows nothing about technology,