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Americans are mostly dont care about the above.. they care about day to day things Obama said he would fix and didnt.

In fact 4 yrs ago he won and campaingned on George Bush spending too much. Fast forward to now... Obama has spent more in 4 yrs then Bush did in 8 yrs.. thats a fact... he has made the deficit worse. He's averaged more then a trillion more spending then Bush each year..He also almost broke every campaign promise he made 4 yrs ago. He said he would pull out of Iraq immediately.. the first week in office he said he needed a few more weeks.. then when he finally "Ended" the war in Iraq almost 3yrs later ..( although we're still there ) he didnt really end it.. All he did was HONOR the agreement already signed by George Bush and the Iraq govt ( right before Bush left office ) that said we would end the war in mid 2010 ( this agreement is on wikipedia ) .. So all the Obama lovers who dont know anything say "See he ended the war" when all that really happened was GW Bush's agreement came into effect so he had to end the war 'per' that agreement... While campaigning for President Obama also said GW Bush was VERY wrong signing the Patriot Act as it was  ( because said it infringed on Americans rights and made it legal to spy on anyone with NO CRIMINAL RECORD aka tap their phone)..So Obama pledged to liberals in America  he would change this and also close down Guantanamo Bay immediately in weeks ...thus winning alot of liberal votes ...so what did Obama do when he is President? He didnt get rid of it..or change anything.. He re-signed all same PAtriot Act as if he were Bush ! Also Guantanamo never got closed.. Making alot of liberals mad..What a hypocrit ! ... Then not only does he keep us in Iraq... he starts another war in Afghanastain ! So.. then he and other democrats write up a "Health care reform " that is very unfair.. and most of the real winners in this "Sweet Deal" are the healthcare companies that get more money ( Not the needy that need healthcare insurance ) Also the original version said once you took govt healthcare you couldnt switch off to a better private insurance.. thankfully this part got nullified... People in the world think this man is so great because of the media as well as how takes care of other countries.. To many Americans  he's basically lied about everything ( or if you love the man and want  this reworded into an MSNBC version: he has failed to Fix the economy, he has spent more then then President Bush whom Obama said spent to much, he has failed on nearly all campaign promises to the American people he pledged to do )..  To all those whole dont know MSNBC is owned by General Electric.. of which Obama pardoned 5.1 Billion of their income to pay no taxes to the US Govt and even gave them a tax CREDIT if 300 MILLION.  So while some poke fun at Fox for being conservative.. MSNBC is by far more biased in favor of Obama, then Fox is against Obama.. MSNBC will not say anything harsh against Obama.. and when they report the "truth" it is candy coated to say the least..

Obama's  first Agenda when he got voted into office would be fixing the economy . THIS IS THE NUMBER 1 REASON HE GOT ELECTED... he didnt fix it.. he made it worse and the dollar is weaker then ever..and now on this BUS TOUR he is proposing a plan to fix it.. LOL 4 yrs later ! Why ? he's afraid he wont get re-elected.. Im an independant voter.. sometimes I voted Democrat ( i did for Clinton ) and other times I have voted Republican.. Once I voted Independant but unfortunately its often a wasted vote since not enough people vote Independant.. Meanwhile Obama gave General Electric a tax pardon last year.. they paid NO taxes and also got a 300 million dollars tax credit.. General Electric Owns MSNBC.. so they never say anything bad about him.. or any affiliates owned by General Electric.. While he continues to devalue the dollar.. he compliments other countries and does whatever he can to make those in other countries like him.. if anyone has a chance of being World President someday its him.. the time is coming when it will happen.. him or not.. Europe is wanting a tighter Eurozone and with problems in the world.. its coming.



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Kasz216 said:

Because there is a huge economic crisis coming and he has the power to recall congress and work on a job creating tour... or just making sure that when Europe goes down we don't go down with them.

That he's driving in a canadian bus is really just the cherry on top of the sundae of peoples frustrations.

 

Outside that.... does Canada even build airplanes?

....I take it you've never flown?

Canada builds a lot of regional jets for airlines in the US. I'd say that in 50% of my travels from Ohio to the west coast, I fly in at least one Canadian jet. They, along with Brazil, are the only two countries that make commercial airplanes for smaller/regional services.

Bombardier is the company I am talking about with their CRJ (Canadian Regional Jet) line: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_Aerospace

Embraer would be the other. They make commercial aircraft and military attack craft for the Brazillian airforce (lots of cool A-37 type planes).



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rf40928 said:
chocoloco said:
I went to MSNBC.com, foxnews.com and cnn.com. The big three news channels in America only one had this in the news. I bet most people can guess which news source was talking about this and what it says about the motivations of the people talking about it.


Funny you should say that.. Obama made a deal with GE ( General Electric ) early in his Presidency and told the IRS last year he was pardoning General Electric's taxes.. so  last year they paid ZERO tax.. and guess what ? They also got a 300 million dollar CREDIT !... he even asked General Electric's CEO to be his CHEIF Economic advisor ! LOL.. 

Guess who owns MSNBC?  General Electric..

 http://politicalvelcraft.org/2011/07/22/obama-allows-g-e-a-green-light-in-paying-no-taxes-for-the-5-1-billion-in-profits-worst-bailout-in-u-s-history-g-e-received-182-5-billion-in-obama-buddy-bailout

YEP MSNBC is owned by  General Electric..

SO MSNBC never has anything bad to say about Obama - even if they should be reporting the TRUTH, the truth gets "sanatized" into a friendlier persuasion for MSNBC's viewers and internet readers.  Even when its obvious to most of America - except those who blindly watch MSNBC.  Funny enough he pardoned their taxes but to the media its a different Obama face he shows he says "the RICH dont pay their share of taxes",,. haha.. hypocrit.. The rich dont pay their fair share - unless he is buddies with them and gets a sweet deal of his own

When Bush was in office.. MSNBC reported daily on a woman protesting BUSH for the Iraq war because her son was in the military I beleive....anyways she got  DAILY coverage.. when Obama kept us in Iraq and then also took us into another war ( Afghanastain ) ( TWO WARS ) THE SAME LADY protested Obama...  because he broke his campaign promise to pull us out of Iraq immediately.. and also took us into Afghanstan.. Do you think MSNBC gave even a SIGNLE DAY of coverage to this lady now that she was protesting Obama ? HELL NO...

You guessed wrong my good man, I only found it without searching on a toolbar on fox news. I should have been more clear about something I would have thought so obvious to most Americans.



chocoloco said:
rf40928 said:
chocoloco said:
I went to MSNBC.com, foxnews.com and cnn.com. The big three news channels in America only one had this in the news. I bet most people can guess which news source was talking about this and what it says about the motivations of the people talking about it.


Funny you should say that.. Obama made a deal with GE ( General Electric ) early in his Presidency and told the IRS last year he was pardoning General Electric's taxes.. so  last year they paid ZERO tax.. and guess what ? They also got a 300 million dollar CREDIT !... he even asked General Electric's CEO to be his CHEIF Economic advisor ! LOL.. 

Guess who owns MSNBC?  General Electric..

 http://politicalvelcraft.org/2011/07/22/obama-allows-g-e-a-green-light-in-paying-no-taxes-for-the-5-1-billion-in-profits-worst-bailout-in-u-s-history-g-e-received-182-5-billion-in-obama-buddy-bailout

YEP MSNBC is owned by  General Electric..

SO MSNBC never has anything bad to say about Obama - even if they should be reporting the TRUTH, the truth gets "sanatized" into a friendlier persuasion for MSNBC's viewers and internet readers.  Even when its obvious to most of America - except those who blindly watch MSNBC.  Funny enough he pardoned their taxes but to the media its a different Obama face he shows he says "the RICH dont pay their share of taxes",,. haha.. hypocrit.. The rich dont pay their fair share - unless he is buddies with them and gets a sweet deal of his own

When Bush was in office.. MSNBC reported daily on a woman protesting BUSH for the Iraq war because her son was in the military I beleive....anyways she got  DAILY coverage.. when Obama kept us in Iraq and then also took us into another war ( Afghanastain ) ( TWO WARS ) THE SAME LADY protested Obama...  because he broke his campaign promise to pull us out of Iraq immediately.. and also took us into Afghanstan.. Do you think MSNBC gave even a SIGNLE DAY of coverage to this lady now that she was protesting Obama ? HELL NO...

You guessed wrong my good man, I only found it without searching on a toolbar on fox news. I should have been more clear about something I would have thought so obvious to most Americans.

How did i guess wrong ? you said you found it on FOX.. about the bus tour.. negative press on Obama at Fox.. I said above MSNBC NEVER SAYS ANYTHING BAD about Obama... MSNBC owned by General Electric.. General Electric given humongous tax break ( and also TAX CREADIT )by Obama.. A DEAL SO CROOKED OBAMA even asked the General Electric CEO to be his Cheif Economic Advidsor..case closed..



mrstickball said:
Kasz216 said:

Because there is a huge economic crisis coming and he has the power to recall congress and work on a job creating tour... or just making sure that when Europe goes down we don't go down with them.

That he's driving in a canadian bus is really just the cherry on top of the sundae of peoples frustrations.

 

Outside that.... does Canada even build airplanes?

....I take it you've never flown?

Canada builds a lot of regional jets for airlines in the US. I'd say that in 50% of my travels from Ohio to the west coast, I fly in at least one Canadian jet. They, along with Brazil, are the only two countries that make commercial airplanes for smaller/regional services.

Bombardier is the company I am talking about with their CRJ (Canadian Regional Jet) line: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_Aerospace

Embraer would be the other. They make commercial aircraft and military attack craft for the Brazillian airforce (lots of cool A-37 type planes).

I've flown a decent amount, I just never really paid attention to what the planes were.  I think I did fly in a CRJ before, just had no clue what it meant.

Just didn't realize they made planes because all you every see is complaints between Boeing and Airbus and such.

That and i didn't remember any canadian planes in Aerobiz Supersonic.  Fun game.



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Kasz216 said:

I've flown a decent amount, I just never really paid attention to what the planes were.  I think I did fly in a CRJ before, just had no clue what it meant.

Just didn't realize they made planes because all you every see is complaints between Boeing and Airbus and such.

That and i didn't remember any canadian planes in Aerobiz Supersonic.  Fun game.


Boeing and Airbus are essentially the only names in major-contract areas for anything non-regional. A CRJ or Embraer are about 1/10th the price of a typical Airbus or Boeing jet.

Oh, and Aerobiz Supersonic was made in 1991. The CRJ maiden voyage was in 1991, and didn't enter service until 1992, and even then in very small numbers, so there was no way Koei would have known the future in that regard. Embraer is the same way - they didn't promote their turboprops or other regional jets 'till the mid 90s.

Nice reference to Aerobiz by the way. I am a huge fan of that game. In fact, I'm playing a game right now on my Android phone during my breaks/ect. Metlink (NYC) vs. UK Air (LON) vs. Sunrise (TOK) vs. Aussie (SDY) in my favorite 1955-1975 scenario.



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mrstickball said:
Kasz216 said:

I've flown a decent amount, I just never really paid attention to what the planes were.  I think I did fly in a CRJ before, just had no clue what it meant.

Just didn't realize they made planes because all you every see is complaints between Boeing and Airbus and such.

That and i didn't remember any canadian planes in Aerobiz Supersonic.  Fun game.


Boeing and Airbus are essentially the only names in major-contract areas for anything non-regional. A CRJ or Embraer are about 1/10th the price of a typical Airbus or Boeing jet.

Oh, and Aerobiz Supersonic was made in 1991. The CRJ maiden voyage was in 1991, and didn't enter service until 1992, and even then in very small numbers, so there was no way Koei would have known the future in that regard. Embraer is the same way - they didn't promote their turboprops or other regional jets 'till the mid 90s.

Nice reference to Aerobiz by the way. I am a huge fan of that game. In fact, I'm playing a game right now on my Android phone during my breaks/ect. Metlink (NYC) vs. UK Air (LON) vs. Sunrise (TOK) vs. Aussie (SDY) in my favorite 1955-1975 scenario.

Only issue is the 8 pages or so of unskippable copyrights at the start.

As for what I played... usually pretty similar actually, except i'd replace Aussie with a Californian or French based Airline.   Oceania feels a little isolated in earlier scenarios.



superchunk said:
"Americans" don't care about the bus. Especially when its the same bus type/company that Bush and Clinton used.

Its the damn republican party who has been going overboard on its attempt to destroy Obama in any possible way... even if it meant the collapse of the government itself.

Wow.  I cannot say I am shocked, but I think that even knowing the state of today's media I am disappointed. 



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Final-Fan said:
superchunk said:
"Americans" don't care about the bus. Especially when its the same bus type/company that Bush and Clinton used.

Its the damn republican party who has been going overboard on its attempt to destroy Obama in any possible way... even if it meant the collapse of the government itself.

Wow.  I cannot say I am shocked, but I think that even knowing the state of today's media I am disappointed. 

If were true.

I coulda swore Obama ordered new Buses... because in fact the secret service just bought busses for each campaign and he bought some new ones that were all retrofitted and such

I remember people talking about it because he did it back when people were pissed about wasteful spending while there was a big arguement about how expensive they were.

Yep, new busses... which don't look anything like Bush/Clinton or really anyones bus.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/08/15/bus-force-one-meet-obamas-new-armored-bus/

 

I doubt the president spends his time looking through bus cataloges though.  I mean if you want a funny government story involving sercret service government money....

I'd go with the fact that Harry Reid's bodyguards pay rent.... to Harry Reid.



Kasz216 said:
Final-Fan said:
superchunk said:
"Americans" don't care about the bus. Especially when its the same bus type/company that Bush and Clinton used.

Its the damn republican party who has been going overboard on its attempt to destroy Obama in any possible way... even if it meant the collapse of the government itself.

Wow.  I cannot say I am shocked, but I think that even knowing the state of today's media I am disappointed. 

If were true. [...] new busses... which don't look anything like Bush/Clinton or really anyones bus.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/08/15/bus-force-one-meet-obamas-new-armored-bus/

But that source does not say what bus company/ies made the buses Bush and Clinton used to campaign with.  Or, that they did not use a bus. 



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