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Who would win, Spartan or Ninja?

Spartan 11 39.29%
 
Ninja 11 39.29%
 
Spartan in a duel, Ninja in a real fight 6 21.43%
 
Too close to call 0 0%
 
Total:28
Kasz216 said:

Well yeah where deadliest warrior fails is that it doesn't take into account tactics. Even in a straight head on head to head fight....

The Ninja could stay out of the Spartans range and beat him with throwing weapons eventually.

Cause the Spartan would never catch up to the unarmored Ninja 1 on 1.

 

The REAL Travsty was Alexander the Great vs Atilla the Hun, where they gave Alexander the Great an anti-population weapon he himself likely never used because they thought "it looked cool".


Don't know who would win that, but that was just... a stupid stupid weapon to select.

yup, if a ninja had the "real conditions fight" on his side, it would be easy to just hide and kill from cover.

i guess they just wanted the show attract more viewers with that ballista (like "zomg, a huge thingymagiggy!").

but either way, atilla would've won because of horse archery. nothing that the greeks had could possibly prepare them for that. the huns destroyed most of europe with just that tactic alone.



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bugrimmar said:
Kasz216 said:

Well yeah where deadliest warrior fails is that it doesn't take into account tactics. Even in a straight head on head to head fight....

The Ninja could stay out of the Spartans range and beat him with throwing weapons eventually.

Cause the Spartan would never catch up to the unarmored Ninja 1 on 1.

 

The REAL Travsty was Alexander the Great vs Atilla the Hun, where they gave Alexander the Great an anti-population weapon he himself likely never used because they thought "it looked cool".


Don't know who would win that, but that was just... a stupid stupid weapon to select.

yup, if a ninja had the "real conditions fight" on his side, it would be easy to just hide and kill from cover.

i guess they just wanted the show attract more viewers with that ballista (like "zomg, a huge thingymagiggy!").

but either way, atilla would've won because of horse archery. nothing that the greeks had could possibly prepare them for that. the huns destroyed most of europe with just that tactic alone.

Actually, Alexander the Great defeated the Scythians on more then one occasion who were horse archers.

For example.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jaxartes#Disposition_of_the_Armies

 

 

Still, I know in Mount and Blade I often joined up with the Khergitt soley because I hated figthing their horse archers.



Kasz216 said:
bugrimmar said:

yup, if a ninja had the "real conditions fight" on his side, it would be easy to just hide and kill from cover.

i guess they just wanted the show attract more viewers with that ballista (like "zomg, a huge thingymagiggy!").

but either way, atilla would've won because of horse archery. nothing that the greeks had could possibly prepare them for that. the huns destroyed most of europe with just that tactic alone.

Actually, Alexander the Great defeated the Scythians on more then one occasion who were horse archers.

For example.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jaxartes#Disposition_of_the_Armies

 

 

Still, I know in Mount and Blade I often joined up with the Khergitt soley because I hated figthing their horse archers.


then again, there were several factors in that battle like the river and that i doubt the scythians were anywhere nearly as good as the huns were in archery. i don't know what bow they used either, but if they had something like the hun bow, it would've been a different story as well.

still, in a 1 on 1 duel, it's impossible for 1 greek to beat 1 horse archer. in a war between armies, possibly.



bugrimmar said:
zarx said:
nah ninja rule they would just use their ultra loud and flashy magic to kill the puny Spartans I mean Naruto himself could take out an army of Spartans with his clones and let's not talk about the ultra powerful daemon spirits


i see you've run out of things to comment against the show :)


nah I just couldn't resist taking a dig at naruto and the fictionalised nature of Ninjas 



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Dodece said:
The Spartan would win regardless of circumstance. You have to cast aside preconceptions. Spartans were far more then rank and file. They too were equally adept assassins in their own right. Spartan adolescents were routinely sent out on assassination missions. They would go out in the night to murder any slave or helot they came across. With obvious emphasis on not being caught. Not to mention that their social status being that they were slave owners. Probably had them growing eyes in the back of their heads.

So no a Spartan soldier isn't very likely to be caught grossly unawares, or to be found sleeping by themselves in any exposed location. They were probably quite paranoid, and of a real right to be paranoid. Now if that isn't enough for you by the point they became soldiers they would have already had fifteen years of combat training. That would be primarily training outside of the phalanx. During which time they would have been exposed to a ridiculous regimen of athletics, deprivation, and what amounts to torture.

Spartans were far more individually adept then most give them credit for. The first fifteen years of their training they were absolutely alone. They were pitted against one another. This notion that Spartans themselves were entirely one dimensional is bogus. They were both trained soldiers, and trained assassins. So when you imply that a Ninja has a chance. I am sorry the Spartan is double trouble all the way. Not only does he have both in his stable they are complimenting one another.

you can't assume that anyone can defend against a murderer in the night. is it possible to stop a blowgun dart, travelling faster than human reflexes, while a person is sleeping? wherever he sleeps, he must sleep. if it's a 1on1 battle, it's impossible for anyone to warn him or him to assume that the murder will happen on any given night. the ninja can simply wait him out. spartans were never known for stealth. in a straight up battle, yes, the spartan would win. but in the real world, where a ninja can simply wait and kill him secretly, there's no chance.



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@bugrimmar

That is a classic stereotype you are playing into. I thought I was quite illuminating, and obviously I didn't get the point across as well as I would have liked. Let me make it simple. Spartans didn't just have assassination experience. They were outright assassins themselves. They lived in a society where they had to terrify the peasants every year to keep them in line, and away from launching a full on revolt. So this may come as a revelation to you, but a Spartan would probably not only have more training then a ninja, but a great deal more experience. In the final analysis they would be considered better assassins.

Your assuming that the Ninja would be the aggressor, but here is what you are missing. A single Spartan solider out in the field alone would be out there for the specific purpose of performing assassinations. So all those vulnerabilities you are ascribing to the Spartan solider apply equally to the Ninja. So it is equally likely that the Spartan is the one to come creeping out of the night to murder the Ninja as he sleeps.

This isn't about a clash of styles. Both were adept assassins. The only telling difference is that the Spartans would be the recipient of better bonuses. Better equipment, training, and on the job experience. That means they were probably the better assassins. Further more whether you like it or not. Assassination is not a fool proof method in the first place. The tactic can be thwarted based on the preparedness of the opponent, and as I pointed out early on in this reply. A lone Spartan by default is already in a highly prepared state. He is going to be concealing not only his movements, but being extremely vigilant of his surroundings. He will not be apt to approach any location that would allow him to be easily ambushed, and when he does sleep he will have already seen to a well devised concealment. Any Ninja stalking a Spartan who is by default not following a predictable pattern is equally likely to expose himself.

Anyway the scenario would never actually occur. While a Spartan might choose to engage a Ninja out of a sense of basic blood lust or security. A Ninja would never choose to engage a heavily armed, and armored opponent like a Spartan. The Ninja would opt for avoidance, or if the encounter was unavoidable the Ninja would retreat with all due haste. So the only real question is whether the Spartan would be able to chase the Ninja to ground. I think that is more of a coin toss. The Spartan would be heavier with better conditioning. The Ninja would be much lighter, but would have less stamina. Due to being a contract killer. So it's only a question of who can go fastest in a quarter mile. Which would be the point where the Spartan would simply collapse from exhaustion. So the fight would only end in one of two ways. The Ninja escapes, or the Spartan kills him.



This one fight has annoyed me ever since seeing it, they have a warrior vs an assassin and on a straight forward battle to the death...you don't face warriors and assassins together on either a straight forward battle or long term battles it never will work. You can put to assassin's vs each other and warriors like wise but mixing the two is a horrible idea.



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Blacksaber said:
This one fight has annoyed me ever since seeing it, they have a warrior vs an assassin and on a straight forward battle to the death...you don't face warriors and assassins together on either a straight forward battle or long term battles it never will work. You can put to assassin's vs each other and warriors like wise but mixing the two is a horrible idea.



the show seems to like to do this a lot. making stupid pairings like this is quite common in the show. pirate vs knight was equally stupid. still a fun show though.