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wow, this site is really populated by a bunch of uneducated buffoons whose pasty skin has never seen the light of reality. when you are done with all of the conspiracies maybe one of you will talk actual issues rather than lame name calling and generalizations (of which the facts do not match with the rhetoric) but uneducated alarmists are the number one constiuency of the new liberal democratic party in America



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ripper said:
wow, this site is really populated by a bunch of uneducated buffoons whose pasty skin has never seen the light of reality. when you are done with all of the conspiracies maybe one of you will talk actuall issues rather than lame name calling and generalizations (of which the facts do not match with the rhetoric) but uneducated alarmists are the number one constiuency of the new liberal democratic party in America

 Ok, I'll reply to your giant run-on sentence. Apparently, you didn't learn anything from your banishment. You decry lame name calling and generalizations, yet you say this site is populated by uneducated buffoons? Which conspiracies are you even talking about? 

 



read the posts (bush will declare himself dictator, hickabee, huckabee is a right wing nut etc.. goes on and on) and i am glad you have been paying so close attention to what i have been doing, very creepy!



ripper said:
read the posts (bush will declare himself dictator, hickabee, huckabee is a right wing nut etc.. goes on and on) and i am glad you have been paying so close attention to what i have been doing, very creepy!

I did not make the claim that bush will declare himself dictator, however he did say in 1998 that a dictatorship would be "a heck of a lot easier" for him. I don't think he will declare himself dictator, but cannot fault people too much for thinking he will.

Yes, huckabee is a right-wing nut. This is a man clearly out of touch with reality. He fired a gun over reporters heads, proposes a national sales tax while offering loopholes at the same time, thinks wives should "graciously submit to their husbands," pardons dangerous criminals because he thinks they've become born again and lied about having a theological degree. That is what I would call a right-wing nut.

Of course, I haven't forgotten your racist, homophobic meltdown. It was only a few months ago.

 



Galaki said:
what happens if Bush refuse to leave and declare himself the King. After all, he's been the Decider, the Commander, etc... The only option left that might be of interest would the the King.

Welcome to Monarchy.

 He is quite warlike so I think he would choose the title of Emperor... if he could pronounce it that is.



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ripper said:
wow, this site is really populated by a bunch of uneducated buffoons whose pasty skin has never seen the light of reality. when you are done with all of the conspiracies maybe one of you will talk actual issues rather than lame name calling and generalizations (of which the facts do not match with the rhetoric) but uneducated alarmists are the number one constiuency of the new liberal democratic party in America

 and the problem is? 



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Well on the Republican side I prefer Giuliani to win but that ain't happening. I guess I woudl go for Huckabee since Romney would be too strong against Giuliani in later states if he won. On the Democrat side I prefer Hillary or Edwards since they are weaker general election candidates than Obama. However, Hillary as president scares me the most of the 3 so I'm rooting for Edwards.

Well I'll throw in my 2 cents of the candidates as well.
On the Republican side:

Giuliani - My favorite due to his executive experience and ability to actually do good things. I oppose his views on gay marriage and abortion but I trust that he is being sincere when he says he wouls support good judges for the courts which is where those battles are bing fought. He also seems to have the best grasp of the changing world we live in and is as far as I know he's the only candidate calling for a major expansion of the US Army. I think he's also the strongest candidate electorally. Bush lost in Pennsylvania by 1% and Michigan by 3%, winning either of those kills the Democrats' chances. He probably won't win New York but just by scaring the Dems there he could force them to waste resources they need in Ohio and Florida. He may scare some core Republicans away but I think he will win Alabama and S Dakota anyways.

Romney - I don't mind his stated policies so much. What really bothers me is how conveniently his political views changed when he went from running in liberal Massachussetts to the nation as a whole. People always complain about politicians who just say what voters want to hear and not what the politician believes. Well, they're going to keep doing that until voters stop supporting them so I'm not supporting Romney.

Huckabee - I'm an evangelical christian but I really don't like his resort to identity politics or his actual liberal policies. He also seems to have little clue about the world outside the US and is making gaffes left and right. He's a terrible candidate who will be destroyed come November.

McCain - I appreciate his service to our country and his sticking by the Iraq War (though he gets way too much credit for the turn around) but he has backstabbed conservatives too many times on too many issues for me to ever vote for him. In addition to some counterproductive Iraq policies his War on Terror policies are a total farce. We would be just as well off putting Obama in the White House. He's also a bit too old and short of temper for me.

Thompson - Seems like a nice fellow whose policies I would support. I can't really say since he's said he doesn't want to campaign. Hard to support someone who doesn't seem to really want the job and won't explain his policies.

For the Democrats

Well all the Democrats are pretty much the same policy wise so I can sum that up together. They all seem to have no understanding of the place we are in history and the problems their policies will cause (not surprising since most liberals I've met have little care for or understanding of history). The world is in one of its rapid change periods with Europe slowly dying with, Russia returning to great power status, Japan able to become a great power with the flip of a switch, and China and India becoming great powers, Muslims and Africans are having children at 4 times the rate of Europe and East Asia and are sending those people to Europe. The world that the UN, IAEA, WTO, et al were constructed for is fast disappearing. Yet the Democrats foreign policy consists of sucking up to dying Europe and antagonizing rising China, Russia, India, and Japan while ignoring the massive demographic changes going on in the world.

Their economic policies are the sort of tax and spend socialism that stalled Europe's economy and gave it 10% unemployment and that China and India are finally shedding to encourage economic growth. They've all been hoodwinked by the European plan to use global warming treaties to diminish US economic competition knowing that we would be the only nation to follow the treaty (Europe's CO2 output is rising far faster than America's despite slower economic and population growth and Kyoto). In short I believe at this moment in time any of the Democrats will turn out to be a disaster in historical terms. They also all have little to no experience (which I recall was such a big deal amongst Dems in 2000 regarding Bush, well don't Dems think events proved them right?).

Obama is a little diffferent in trying to play the he'll get along with everyone card. Sounds great in theory, doesn't work in reality nor should it. So I stick by electablity, I think Obama is more electable owing to his mushy make everyone feel good even as the world burns around them rhetoric so I hope Edwards beats him in Iowa because Edwards won't in NH.

To correct a few things, Republicans are not going to be voting for Obama. McCain has serious problems with a large part of the Republican base, like me, due to his past behavior (and is the only Republican I 100% will not vote for, well Ron Paul also but he isn't going anywhere). Iowa is a freak state politically so nothing is surprising. Amnesty for illegals is anathema to more than just Republicans. Hillary's major problem in Iowa is she positioned herself as inevitable, inevitable candidates don't lose (she could recover of course but only because support for the other 2 is somewhat weak).

EDIT: Whoops, didn't notice the thread was primarily about the Iowa Caucas.  I think Edwards wins handily on the Democrat side due to the 15% rule and him being the 2nd choice of something like 60%+ of Democrats.  Obama and Hillary should be close.  The Republicans are harder to guess but I would say Huckabee wins but barely enough that Romney can claim to have "comeback" (don't forget that Clinton lost Iowa and NH but lost NH by less than expected generating the "Comeback Kid" news stories).  Thompson and McCain should do well enough that each can claim to have beaten expectations.  I doubt Giuliani does and Paul doesn't matter anyways.



Sri Lumpa said:
Galaki said:
what happens if Bush refuse to leave and declare himself the King. After all, he's been the Decider, the Commander, etc... The only option left that might be of interest would the the King.

Welcome to Monarchy.

 He is quite warlike so I think he would choose the title of Emperor... if he could pronounce it that is.

We know next to nothing about the US don't we.

 



damkira said:
loadedstatement said:
Dear God, If Huckabee wins the election I am moving to Canada.

 Don't underestimate hickabee. Remember that bush ran as an science-hating, aww sucks, "compassionate conservative" in 2000 and it worked for him. He seems to be trending very well in the republican primary and is actually leading at the moment. If they're smart they'll nominate McCain but he just doesn't appeal to their base like hickabee does. The good news is that you'll have option. Michael Bloomberg is expected to announce his candidacy in February and I'm all but certain Ron Paul will run as a Libertarian.

 


Bush never ran as a science hater and has supported the sciences like every president.  I'm quickly remembering why I ignore political threads by average people.



albionus said:
damkira said:
loadedstatement said:
Dear God, If Huckabee wins the election I am moving to Canada.

Don't underestimate hickabee. Remember that bush ran as an science-hating, aww sucks, "compassionate conservative" in 2000 and it worked for him. He seems to be trending very well in the republican primary and is actually leading at the moment. If they're smart they'll nominate McCain but he just doesn't appeal to their base like hickabee does. The good news is that you'll have option. Michael Bloomberg is expected to announce his candidacy in February and I'm all but certain Ron Paul will run as a Libertarian.

 


Bush never ran as a science hater and has supported the sciences like every president. I'm quickly remembering why I ignore political threads by average people.


 Bush,like Huckabee, disbelieve in global warming, Darwin's Theory of Evolution and are both opposed to embryonic stem-cell research.