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It's not about Kinect or XBox Live as much as it's about the content and the price. Many consoles in history, like NES, Game Boy, PS1 and PS2 have defied what we otherwise consider a "normal generation lifeline," and they have all done so by being inexpensive and having a lot of new games available into their 6th, 7th and 8th years.

Really, it's happened frequently enough that we ought to expect it instead of treating it like an exception. And Microsoft certainly shouldn't treat it like they are the first to ever do it and they did so with some magic equation of Kinect and Xbox Live. It has a lot more do to with a rich "second tier" of software titles after Call of Duty and Halo, like Portal, Red Dead, Kinect Sports, Batman, or whatever.



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ethomaz said:
BenVTrigger said:

No actually its not funny. This a thread in the MS forum and over half the posts are PS3 related. Its getting old, and I know your not the only one who does it but you do it a lot. Again if you want to have a thread talking about PS3 YOY gains go make it in the SONY forum, don't hijack a MS thread in the MICROSOFT forum.

Seriously.

No. It's funny because I just correted the wrong assumption made by @nightsurge... and there are just two other thread with the same subject and same graphic.

That's a dup thread and should be closed .

My wrong assumption? I was going by VGC figures. NPD still isn't out yet for May to have a full comparison with VGC figures. By VGC figures, I was correct, which is what led to this confusion.



nightsurge said:
ethomaz said:
BenVTrigger said:

No actually its not funny. This a thread in the MS forum and over half the posts are PS3 related. Its getting old, and I know your not the only one who does it but you do it a lot. Again if you want to have a thread talking about PS3 YOY gains go make it in the SONY forum, don't hijack a MS thread in the MICROSOFT forum.

Seriously.

No. It's funny because I just correted the wrong assumption made by @nightsurge... and there are just two other thread with the same subject and same graphic.

That's a dup thread and should be closed .

My wrong assumption? I was going by VGC figures. NPD still isn't out yet for May to have a full comparison with VGC figures. By VGC figures, I was correct, which is what led to this confusion.

You said "In the US the PS3 has already had it's max selling year and is flat/declining."

In America PS3 could be down (VGC) but in US not... so it not flat/declining... wrong assuption... PS3 is up near 10% (100k or more) in US.



Good news for the 360 and why does this forum always turn into comparing the PS3 to 360? Why can't you just say hey good job MS i expected you console to be dead by now and only have sold 30 million consoles. Oh wait my ego is to big to admit i was wrong. (oh wait where was i going with this) lol.



RolStoppable said:
nightsurge said:

My wrong assumption? I was going by VGC figures. NPD still isn't out yet for May to have a full comparison with VGC figures. By VGC figures, I was correct, which is what led to this confusion.

Yes, your wrong assumption. You post a thread about NPD numbers and then look up VGC numbers to verify whether or not the PS3 has shown yoy growth in the first four months of 2011.

I never once made a flawed assumption.  I think perhaps if you go back through this thread, you'll notice I never once claimed I was specifying just the first 4 months.  I never even specified JUST "decline" either, I said OR flat, which again is not a wrong assumption.

It seems some people just came in here to attack 360 and try to defend PS3.



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ethomaz said:
nightsurge said:
ethomaz said:
BenVTrigger said:

No actually its not funny. This a thread in the MS forum and over half the posts are PS3 related. Its getting old, and I know your not the only one who does it but you do it a lot. Again if you want to have a thread talking about PS3 YOY gains go make it in the SONY forum, don't hijack a MS thread in the MICROSOFT forum.

Seriously.

No. It's funny because I just correted the wrong assumption made by @nightsurge... and there are just two other thread with the same subject and same graphic.

That's a dup thread and should be closed .

My wrong assumption? I was going by VGC figures. NPD still isn't out yet for May to have a full comparison with VGC figures. By VGC figures, I was correct, which is what led to this confusion.

You said "In the US the PS3 has already had it's max selling year and is flat/declining."

In America PS3 could be down (VGC) but in US not... so it not flat/declining... wrong assuption... PS3 is up near 10% (100k or more) in US.

Only up ~90k as of April.  By May's NPD it will likely be a different story especially with the PSN debacle.  And apparently some people don't consider only a mere 90k increase YOY spread out over 4 months as flat, but I do.



RolStoppable said:
nightsurge said:

I never once made a flawed assumption.  I think perhaps if you go back through this thread I never once claimed I was specifying just the first 4 months.  I never even specified "decline", I said OR mostly flat, which again is not a wrong assumption.

It seems some people just came in here to attack 360 and try to defend PS3.

Okay, let's see.

Here you make the wrong assumption that I am not aware of what I am looking at, followed by assuming that the PS3 already had its best year in the USA. An assumption that nobody in this thread shares, because an incoming price cut is very likely.

Here you assume that VGC numbers are a way to verify stats that were derived from NPD numbers. VGC doesn't adjust its number to perfectly mimic NPD.

Here you assume that you need May NPD numbers to verify yoy growth concerning the first four months of the year (May is the fifth month) and once again that VGC numbers have relevance.

Here you assume that you never made a flawed assumption in this thread which is a flawed assumption in and of itself. You go on to assume that you can save your butt by saying that you never specified "just the first four months", but that doesn't matter. Microsoft specified it and in the post of mine you initially quoted, you specifically replied to exactly that part. Microsoft said that the PS3 has seen yoy growth. They didn't say flat nor did they talk about a decline. They said growth. Nobody came in here to attack the 360 and defend the PS3 which is yet another flawed assumption.

Finally, here you take issue that Microsoft considers an increase in PS3 sales of 9 % yoy growth. That's possibly not a wrong assumption per se, but given your previous post the tone in this current one suggests that you are a little bit upset based on the flawed assumption that some people in here attacked the 360 and tried to defend the PS3.

This all really just seems like you are taking the completely wrong assumptions from what I posted. It happens.
You are ASSUMING that those are the things I was assuming, which is not the case.

I still don't understand the harsh defensive tone, either.  People are right, you can't have a good thread in MS section anymore without being flooded by opposition from others.



RolStoppable said:
nightsurge said:

This all really just seems like you are taking the completely wrong assumptions from what I posted. It happens.
You are ASSUMING that those are the things I was assuming, which is not the case.

I only need to be 1 out of 8 (or 9?) to have proven you wrong. I am pretty sure I accomplished that.

You mean proven wrong the incorrectly assumed assumptions that you think I made. Wow that was confusing to write lol.



Erik Aston said:

It's not about Kinect or XBox Live as much as it's about the content and the price. Many consoles in history, like NES, Game Boy, PS1 and PS2 have defied what we otherwise consider a "normal generation lifeline," and they have all done so by being inexpensive and having a lot of new games available into their 6th, 7th and 8th years.

Really, it's happened frequently enough that we ought to expect it instead of treating it like an exception. And Microsoft certainly shouldn't treat it like they are the first to ever do it and they did so with some magic equation of Kinect and Xbox Live. It has a lot more do to with a rich "second tier" of software titles after Call of Duty and Halo, like Portal, Red Dead, Kinect Sports, Batman, or whatever.


Thing is, with the exception of the Game Boy, the ones listed were on the verge of being replaced or already had successors on the market by the time they reached the 360's age.  360 isn't just surviving, it's thriving after being on the market since 2005.