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Rpruett said:
Rath said:
Rpruett said:

I actually was hoping for him to run for President. I really think the current field of Republicans is atrociously weak and most if not all of them at this point look like sacrificial lambs.   People can point out the failures of Trump, but don't acknowledge his successes and seem to forget that many presidents had merely nothing more then some median work in the Senate and very little experience in making impact decisions prior to becoming President.

This country needs fresh philosophy and a transition from this current political landscape.  It's doing nothing but bringing this country down.  If Trump was the man to bring that freshness, I would welcome him with open arms.


He wanted to claim oil fields in the Middle East by force. That's making a good effort at starting WWIII.

I don't believe i heard those words from his mouth.  More of something along the lines of the United States needs to stop taking a passive, 2nd best role and essentially getting screwed ten different ways when making a deal especially in the Middle East relating to Oil.  

 

Trump: Excuse me.  George, let me explain something to you.  We go into Iraq.  We have spent thus far, $1.5 trillion.  We could have rebuilt half of the United States.  $1.5 trillion.  And we’re going to then leave.  So, in the old days, you know when you had a war, to the victor belong the spoils.  You go in.  You win the war and you take it.  Now, we go in, we win the war, and then we leave.  And then smart, mean haters of the United States take over. So, here’s what I say.  And I’ve said it very loud and very strong.  Iran is going to take over Iraq as soon as we leave.  As sure as you’re sitting there.  Without question.  In fact, they’re already working.  I don’t think they’ll have to fire a shot.  Because I hear they get along better with the leaders of Iraq, if you call ‘em leaders, ‘cause we just sort of put them there.  But they get along better with the leaders of Iraq than we do. Iran is going to take over.  They may have to fire a couple of shots, because we’ve decapitated the Iraqi Army.  But they’re really going to take over the second largest oil wells to Saudi Arabia in the world.  $15 trillion worth of oil sitting under the lands of Iraq.  Now, if Iran is going to take it over, and all of these soldiers, these brave soldiers will have then died in vain, we stay there and we take the oil.  And we give some to Iraq.  Oh, you haven’t heard this before?  You haven’t heard this?

Stephanopoulos: How do you intend to pay for that?  That would cost trillions of dollars.  Hundreds of thousands of trillions—

Trump: Trillions, we’re already there.

(OVERTALK)

Trump: Excuse me.

Stephanopoulos: It would take hundreds of thousands of troops to secure the oil fields--

Trump: Excuse me.  No, it wouldn’t at all.

(OVERTALK)

Stephanopoulos: It would unify the world against us.

Trump: George, they have no armies.  They have nothing.  Their armies have been decapitated by us.  They can’t protect themselves.  George, they used to fight Iran back and forth.  Iraq/Iran for years, for years, for many, many years, just back and forth.  Because they were basically of equal strength.  While we went in and decapitated the armies of Iraq.  We decapitated the army.  So, they have no strength any more.  Their armies are gone and corrupt, by the way.

Stephanopoulos: That would taken an open--

Trump: Excuse me.

Stephanopoulos: --ended military commitment.

Trump: And corrupt.  Excuse me.  Do you know how much money this country-- this country needs money.  This country.  How would you feel--

Stephanopoulos: So, we steal an oil field?

Trump: Excuse me.  You’re not stealing.  Excuse me.  You’re not stealing anything.  You’re taking-- we’re reimbursing ourselves-- at least, at a minimum, and I say more.  We’re taking back $1.5 trillion to reimburse ourselves.  And we reimburse all of our allies.  And we give every family a million or $2 million or $3 million who lost a son or a daughter.  And all of the wounded that are all over the streets of all of the cities and all of the country.  We give them money, which is peanuts compared to what you’re talking about the value is. We reimburse ourselves and we do it.  And let me tell you.  I made that statement a month ago.  I’m surprised you haven’t heard it.  I don’t know, you’re not doing your job, George.  But I’ve made that statement.  And I’ve been make-- the loudest applause I get, even louder than "show your birth certificate," I will tell you, is when I say, "Iran is going to take over the oil wells.  And that’s not going to happen on my watch.  So, we’re going to keep ‘em."  It’s the loudest applause. Now, I’m giving Iraq money.  And we got-- they have one-- they have the-- the second-largest oil wells, after Saudi Arabia, in the world.  And a lot of people don’t even know that.  We keep the oil.  We distribute the money, to Iraq and others.  We reimburse our partners.  And we take care of all those families of those soldiers who were so brave.

 

That's him simply claiming he will take over oil fields in the Middle East.





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Rath said:
Rpruett said:
Rath said:
Rpruett said:

I actually was hoping for him to run for President. I really think the current field of Republicans is atrociously weak and most if not all of them at this point look like sacrificial lambs.   People can point out the failures of Trump, but don't acknowledge his successes and seem to forget that many presidents had merely nothing more then some median work in the Senate and very little experience in making impact decisions prior to becoming President.

This country needs fresh philosophy and a transition from this current political landscape.  It's doing nothing but bringing this country down.  If Trump was the man to bring that freshness, I would welcome him with open arms.


He wanted to claim oil fields in the Middle East by force. That's making a good effort at starting WWIII.

I don't believe i heard those words from his mouth.  More of something along the lines of the United States needs to stop taking a passive, 2nd best role and essentially getting screwed ten different ways when making a deal especially in the Middle East relating to Oil.  

That's him simply claiming he will take over oil fields in the Middle East.

That's interesting, thanks for the transcript.  Although, I still don't think he flat out said it in that manner.  I don't disagree with him though in some senses.  We've spent billions or trillions of dollars in rebuilding Iraq and trying to give them democracy, while the Middle East still hates us.

I don't see anything wrong with the United States getting themselves a sweet heart deal for Oil in the process.  Hell, we did a lot of work for their oil fields over there.



Rpruett said:
Rath said:
Rpruett said:

I actually was hoping for him to run for President. I really think the current field of Republicans is atrociously weak and most if not all of them at this point look like sacrificial lambs.   People can point out the failures of Trump, but don't acknowledge his successes and seem to forget that many presidents had merely nothing more then some median work in the Senate and very little experience in making impact decisions prior to becoming President.

This country needs fresh philosophy and a transition from this current political landscape.  It's doing nothing but bringing this country down.  If Trump was the man to bring that freshness, I would welcome him with open arms.


He wanted to claim oil fields in the Middle East by force. That's making a good effort at starting WWIII.

I don't believe i heard those words from his mouth.  More of something along the lines of the United States needs to stop taking a passive, 2nd best role and essentially getting screwed ten different ways when making a deal especially in the Middle East relating to Oil.  

Well he actually did say directly we should seize Iraqs oil fields.



Kasz216 said:
Rpruett said:
Rath said:
Rpruett said:

I actually was hoping for him to run for President. I really think the current field of Republicans is atrociously weak and most if not all of them at this point look like sacrificial lambs.   People can point out the failures of Trump, but don't acknowledge his successes and seem to forget that many presidents had merely nothing more then some median work in the Senate and very little experience in making impact decisions prior to becoming President.

This country needs fresh philosophy and a transition from this current political landscape.  It's doing nothing but bringing this country down.  If Trump was the man to bring that freshness, I would welcome him with open arms.


He wanted to claim oil fields in the Middle East by force. That's making a good effort at starting WWIII.

I don't believe i heard those words from his mouth.  More of something along the lines of the United States needs to stop taking a passive, 2nd best role and essentially getting screwed ten different ways when making a deal especially in the Middle East relating to Oil.  

Well he actually did say directly we should seize Iraqs oil fields.

Is that much different than patrolling and policing their country.  Hell, we shaped their country in the manner we 'sought' fit.  Would controlling their oil fields (For our mutual benefit, really be an issue?).  In my eyes,  we should have done that and aided our country, while helping them get on their feet as well.



Rpruett said:
Kasz216 said:
Rpruett said:
Rath said:
Rpruett said:

I actually was hoping for him to run for President. I really think the current field of Republicans is atrociously weak and most if not all of them at this point look like sacrificial lambs.   People can point out the failures of Trump, but don't acknowledge his successes and seem to forget that many presidents had merely nothing more then some median work in the Senate and very little experience in making impact decisions prior to becoming President.

This country needs fresh philosophy and a transition from this current political landscape.  It's doing nothing but bringing this country down.  If Trump was the man to bring that freshness, I would welcome him with open arms.


He wanted to claim oil fields in the Middle East by force. That's making a good effort at starting WWIII.

I don't believe i heard those words from his mouth.  More of something along the lines of the United States needs to stop taking a passive, 2nd best role and essentially getting screwed ten different ways when making a deal especially in the Middle East relating to Oil.  

Well he actually did say directly we should seize Iraqs oil fields.

Is that much different than patrolling and policing their country.  Hell, we shaped their country in the manner we 'sought' fit.  Would controlling their oil fields (For our mutual benefit, really be an issue?).  In my eyes,  we should have done that and aided our country, while helping them get on their feet as well.

We didn't really shape their country as we saw fit though...

I mean, the biggest oil and natural resources contracts are actually chinese.



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Kasz216 said:
Rpruett said:
Kasz216 said:
Rpruett said:
Rath said:
Rpruett said:

I actually was hoping for him to run for President. I really think the current field of Republicans is atrociously weak and most if not all of them at this point look like sacrificial lambs.   People can point out the failures of Trump, but don't acknowledge his successes and seem to forget that many presidents had merely nothing more then some median work in the Senate and very little experience in making impact decisions prior to becoming President.

This country needs fresh philosophy and a transition from this current political landscape.  It's doing nothing but bringing this country down.  If Trump was the man to bring that freshness, I would welcome him with open arms.


He wanted to claim oil fields in the Middle East by force. That's making a good effort at starting WWIII.

I don't believe i heard those words from his mouth.  More of something along the lines of the United States needs to stop taking a passive, 2nd best role and essentially getting screwed ten different ways when making a deal especially in the Middle East relating to Oil.  

Well he actually did say directly we should seize Iraqs oil fields.

Is that much different than patrolling and policing their country.  Hell, we shaped their country in the manner we 'sought' fit.  Would controlling their oil fields (For our mutual benefit, really be an issue?).  In my eyes,  we should have done that and aided our country, while helping them get on their feet as well.

We didn't really shape their country as we saw fit though...

I mean, the biggest oil and natural resources contracts are actually chinese.

Sure we did, we dumped billions of dollars (If not Trillions) protecting infrastructure and rebuilding it.  We have tried to be as 'hands-off' as we could to look good but you don't spend years over there protecting  something that you haven't essentially invested into.  We contracted American companies to do much of the work.  (A good idea).  We also should have benefitted from it in some other tangible ways.  Instead, we're left with virtually nothing for all the time, money and energy spent over there.



Rpruett said:
Kasz216 said:
Rpruett said:
Kasz216 said:
Rpruett said:
Rath said:
Rpruett said:

I actually was hoping for him to run for President. I really think the current field of Republicans is atrociously weak and most if not all of them at this point look like sacrificial lambs.   People can point out the failures of Trump, but don't acknowledge his successes and seem to forget that many presidents had merely nothing more then some median work in the Senate and very little experience in making impact decisions prior to becoming President.

This country needs fresh philosophy and a transition from this current political landscape.  It's doing nothing but bringing this country down.  If Trump was the man to bring that freshness, I would welcome him with open arms.


He wanted to claim oil fields in the Middle East by force. That's making a good effort at starting WWIII.

I don't believe i heard those words from his mouth.  More of something along the lines of the United States needs to stop taking a passive, 2nd best role and essentially getting screwed ten different ways when making a deal especially in the Middle East relating to Oil.  

Well he actually did say directly we should seize Iraqs oil fields.

Is that much different than patrolling and policing their country.  Hell, we shaped their country in the manner we 'sought' fit.  Would controlling their oil fields (For our mutual benefit, really be an issue?).  In my eyes,  we should have done that and aided our country, while helping them get on their feet as well.

We didn't really shape their country as we saw fit though...

I mean, the biggest oil and natural resources contracts are actually chinese.

Sure we did, we dumped billions of dollars (If not Trillions) protecting infrastructure and rebuilding it.  We have tried to be as 'hands-off' as we could to look good but you don't spend years over there protecting  something that you haven't essentially invested into.  We contracted American companies to do much of the work.  (A good idea).  We also should have benefitted from it in some other tangible ways.  Instead, we're left with virtually nothing for all the time, money and energy spent over there.


I don't...but i wouldn't of went there in the first place.

Bush though....



Also, it is worth researching and calling me on this, if you like, but I did read that Trump does support universal health care.  He considered it an exception to what he says himself usually being socially conservative.



richardhutnik said:

Also, it is worth researching and calling me on this, if you like, but I did read that Trump does support universal health care.  He considered it an exception to what he says himself usually being socially conservative.

I liked what Trump brought to the table.  In my opinion, he was liberal enough to look for moving forward in this country but conservative enough to not try to fix something that isn't broken.  He also would have shaken up this rut of Left vs Right we've been going through in this country for years.



richardhutnik said:

Also, it is worth researching and calling me on this, if you like, but I did read that Trump does support universal health care.  He considered it an exception to what he says himself usually being socially conservative.

He also supports a time 15% tax on people who have a net worth more then 10 million dollars to pay off the national debt.

Trump isn't really a Republican.

He's supported more Democrats then Republicans.

Last of which was Hillary Clinton. 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-donation-history-shows-democratic-favoritism/2011/04/25/AFDUddtE_story.html