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fordy said:
LivingMetal said:
fordy said:
LivingMetal said:
fordy said:
LivingMetal said:
thranx said:
kitler53 said:
Galaki said:
kitler53 said:
Galaki said:
Apparently, the firm is claiming Anonymous were responsible for the attack, as a file named Anonymous was found on one of Sony’s servers with the words “We are Legion” attached to it.

Really? You can pin the blame with a text file? :)


Really?  You can santify them from blame just because one guy said it wasn't them?

Anon is loose nit group with no leader or structure.  just because the guy who did the youtube video didn't do the hack doesn't mean the guy who did the hack didn't do it because in support of anon.  frankly there is no way to for even anon to know if anon did it at this point.

yes, the hacker could have left that file to frame anon.  but also yes, it could have been someone who believes they are anon.

I am not saying it can't be anon. I am just saying, that's a flimsy piece of evidence.

gotcha, well i can agree with that.  but we all know sony would love to have this pinned on anon so if it is the only evidence it will be the evidence they produce.

i wonder if any laws will be added/changed based off of this.  hackers that were upset about not being able to hack the ps3 just may find themselves a lot worse off becase of this if congress decides to change laws to protect big buisiness.


Not sure but I thought I saw an article that Austriala was going to be changing some of its security laws. Congress should be concerned about protecting consumers not Corporations. But i would not be suprised if that is the route they go.


Corporations are run by people.  Corporations hire people.  Those people are consumers.  As business thrives, the people who work for those corporations have a lively hood that allows them to be consumers.  Let's not use your false assumption as an excuse to side against Sony again.


BP hires people too. Should they have not been dealt with as severely? the laws are there to protect the people, right?


I know what you're saying, but the "consumers rights" argument have been abused on these boards to give excuse to bash a console maker in this context.  I have openly voiced that the PS3 is my console of choice.  Sony has not violated my right as a consumers.  Hackers have made my gaming life "harder."  When Sony protects their IP, that in turn gives consumers such as I a better gaming experience.  Let's not take thing out of context to "prove" a point.

No excuse at all. If it was Microsoft or Nintendo in the same situation, I'd still be on the side of consumer rights.

Don't think for a second that this has anything to do about what "team" you support.

you may not have felt that Sony violated your rights, but many others do. You're speaking for the minority, who believe it's okay for a company to screw you, so along as you don't have to admit you're wrong.


Really...?  So how did Sony specifically screwed me?


Do you think a lax attempt at security on a server that holds sensitive information good? I'm pretty sure the maority are against having their details stolen.

And yes, I know the hackers did it, but given more and more arising evidence, it's pretty obvious that Sony was careless with their protection on sensitive data.


Actually, part of the context was:

"So let's say I purchase a game and/or a console new at retail.  I expect it to run "as is" until (in this day and age) the manufacturer provides an update that should improve (and sometimes degrade) its performance in which I agree to.  In this case, what rights am I giving up and how is it a harm to others?"

But in regards to security, my credit card comapny says that have been no sign of illegal activity (at least not yet.)  Also, Sony is planning to offer a year's worth of identiy protection.  And I don't hold unnecessary grudes for unreasonable amounts to time when there is wrong doing in ASSUMED worst case scenario.  Shit happens, you make amends, and life goes on.



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LivingMetal said:
fordy said:
LivingMetal said:
fordy said:
LivingMetal said:
fordy said:
LivingMetal said:
thranx said:
kitler53 said:
Galaki said:
kitler53 said:
Galaki said:
Apparently, the firm is claiming Anonymous were responsible for the attack, as a file named Anonymous was found on one of Sony’s servers with the words “We are Legion” attached to it.

Really? You can pin the blame with a text file? :)


Really?  You can santify them from blame just because one guy said it wasn't them?

Anon is loose nit group with no leader or structure.  just because the guy who did the youtube video didn't do the hack doesn't mean the guy who did the hack didn't do it because in support of anon.  frankly there is no way to for even anon to know if anon did it at this point.

yes, the hacker could have left that file to frame anon.  but also yes, it could have been someone who believes they are anon.

I am not saying it can't be anon. I am just saying, that's a flimsy piece of evidence.

gotcha, well i can agree with that.  but we all know sony would love to have this pinned on anon so if it is the only evidence it will be the evidence they produce.

i wonder if any laws will be added/changed based off of this.  hackers that were upset about not being able to hack the ps3 just may find themselves a lot worse off becase of this if congress decides to change laws to protect big buisiness.


Not sure but I thought I saw an article that Austriala was going to be changing some of its security laws. Congress should be concerned about protecting consumers not Corporations. But i would not be suprised if that is the route they go.


Corporations are run by people.  Corporations hire people.  Those people are consumers.  As business thrives, the people who work for those corporations have a lively hood that allows them to be consumers.  Let's not use your false assumption as an excuse to side against Sony again.


BP hires people too. Should they have not been dealt with as severely? the laws are there to protect the people, right?


I know what you're saying, but the "consumers rights" argument have been abused on these boards to give excuse to bash a console maker in this context.  I have openly voiced that the PS3 is my console of choice.  Sony has not violated my right as a consumers.  Hackers have made my gaming life "harder."  When Sony protects their IP, that in turn gives consumers such as I a better gaming experience.  Let's not take thing out of context to "prove" a point.

No excuse at all. If it was Microsoft or Nintendo in the same situation, I'd still be on the side of consumer rights.

Don't think for a second that this has anything to do about what "team" you support.

you may not have felt that Sony violated your rights, but many others do. You're speaking for the minority, who believe it's okay for a company to screw you, so along as you don't have to admit you're wrong.


Really...?  So how did Sony specifically screwed me?


Do you think a lax attempt at security on a server that holds sensitive information good? I'm pretty sure the maority are against having their details stolen.

And yes, I know the hackers did it, but given more and more arising evidence, it's pretty obvious that Sony was careless with their protection on sensitive data.


Actually, part of the context was:

"So let's say I purchase a game and/or a console new at retail.  I expect it to run "as is" until (in this day and age) the manufacturer provides an update that should improve (and sometimes degrade) its performance in which I agree to.  In this case, what rights am I giving up and how is it a harm to others?"

But in regards to security, my credit card comapny says that have been no sign of illegal activity (at least not yet.)  Also, Sony is planning to offer a year's worth of identiy protection.  And I don't hold unnecessary grudes for unreasonable amounts to time when there is wrong doing in ASSUMED worst case scenario.  Shit happens, you make amends, and life goes on.


So what if the updates that you speak of removed a critical piece of the system, such as Blu-Ray playback. Just because it's a feature that you didn't use doesn't mean that nobody used it.

Also, Sony is taking the right steps to try and clean up the mess tey made, but there is no way that they're covering 100% of these costs. Credit card companies will still be having to hand out new pieces of plastic, the taxpayer paid FBI is helping too, like Sony's lapdog. Also, the customers are losing out on their online time. They should have worked to prevent this mess when they had the chance.



fordy said:
LivingMetal said:
fordy said:
LivingMetal said:
fordy said:
LivingMetal said:
fordy said:
LivingMetal said:
thranx said:
kitler53 said:
Galaki said:
kitler53 said:
Galaki said:
Apparently, the firm is claiming Anonymous were responsible for the attack, as a file named Anonymous was found on one of Sony’s servers with the words “We are Legion” attached to it.

Really? You can pin the blame with a text file? :)


Really?  You can santify them from blame just because one guy said it wasn't them?

Anon is loose nit group with no leader or structure.  just because the guy who did the youtube video didn't do the hack doesn't mean the guy who did the hack didn't do it because in support of anon.  frankly there is no way to for even anon to know if anon did it at this point.

yes, the hacker could have left that file to frame anon.  but also yes, it could have been someone who believes they are anon.

I am not saying it can't be anon. I am just saying, that's a flimsy piece of evidence.

gotcha, well i can agree with that.  but we all know sony would love to have this pinned on anon so if it is the only evidence it will be the evidence they produce.

i wonder if any laws will be added/changed based off of this.  hackers that were upset about not being able to hack the ps3 just may find themselves a lot worse off becase of this if congress decides to change laws to protect big buisiness.


Not sure but I thought I saw an article that Austriala was going to be changing some of its security laws. Congress should be concerned about protecting consumers not Corporations. But i would not be suprised if that is the route they go.


Corporations are run by people.  Corporations hire people.  Those people are consumers.  As business thrives, the people who work for those corporations have a lively hood that allows them to be consumers.  Let's not use your false assumption as an excuse to side against Sony again.


BP hires people too. Should they have not been dealt with as severely? the laws are there to protect the people, right?


I know what you're saying, but the "consumers rights" argument have been abused on these boards to give excuse to bash a console maker in this context.  I have openly voiced that the PS3 is my console of choice.  Sony has not violated my right as a consumers.  Hackers have made my gaming life "harder."  When Sony protects their IP, that in turn gives consumers such as I a better gaming experience.  Let's not take thing out of context to "prove" a point.

No excuse at all. If it was Microsoft or Nintendo in the same situation, I'd still be on the side of consumer rights.

Don't think for a second that this has anything to do about what "team" you support.

you may not have felt that Sony violated your rights, but many others do. You're speaking for the minority, who believe it's okay for a company to screw you, so along as you don't have to admit you're wrong.


Really...?  So how did Sony specifically screwed me?


Do you think a lax attempt at security on a server that holds sensitive information good? I'm pretty sure the maority are against having their details stolen.

And yes, I know the hackers did it, but given more and more arising evidence, it's pretty obvious that Sony was careless with their protection on sensitive data.


Actually, part of the context was:

"So let's say I purchase a game and/or a console new at retail.  I expect it to run "as is" until (in this day and age) the manufacturer provides an update that should improve (and sometimes degrade) its performance in which I agree to.  In this case, what rights am I giving up and how is it a harm to others?"

But in regards to security, my credit card comapny says that have been no sign of illegal activity (at least not yet.)  Also, Sony is planning to offer a year's worth of identiy protection.  And I don't hold unnecessary grudes for unreasonable amounts to time when there is wrong doing in ASSUMED worst case scenario.  Shit happens, you make amends, and life goes on.


So what if the updates that you speak of removed a critical piece of the system, such as Blu-Ray playback. Just because it's a feature that you didn't use doesn't mean that nobody used it.

Also, Sony is taking the right steps to try and clean up the mess tey made, but there is no way that they're covering 100% of these costs. Credit card companies will still be having to hand out new pieces of plastic, the taxpayer paid FBI is helping too, like Sony's lapdog. Also, the customers are losing out on their online time. They should have worked to prevent this mess when they had the chance.

 

I use Blu-ray.  So either I update and buy a new Blu-ray player, or I just don't update.  See how simple life really is?



LivingMetal said:
fordy said:


So what if the updates that you speak of removed a critical piece of the system, such as Blu-Ray playback. Just because it's a feature that you didn't use doesn't mean that nobody used it.

Also, Sony is taking the right steps to try and clean up the mess tey made, but there is no way that they're covering 100% of these costs. Credit card companies will still be having to hand out new pieces of plastic, the taxpayer paid FBI is helping too, like Sony's lapdog. Also, the customers are losing out on their online time. They should have worked to prevent this mess when they had the chance.

 

I use Blu-ray.  So either I update and buy a new Blu-ray player, or I just don't update.  See how simple life really is?


Thanks for proving my point where you're perfectly fine with letting them screw you over. Good day.



fordy said:
LivingMetal said:
fordy said:


So what if the updates that you speak of removed a critical piece of the system, such as Blu-Ray playback. Just because it's a feature that you didn't use doesn't mean that nobody used it.

Also, Sony is taking the right steps to try and clean up the mess tey made, but there is no way that they're covering 100% of these costs. Credit card companies will still be having to hand out new pieces of plastic, the taxpayer paid FBI is helping too, like Sony's lapdog. Also, the customers are losing out on their online time. They should have worked to prevent this mess when they had the chance.

 

I use Blu-ray.  So either I update and buy a new Blu-ray player, or I just don't update.  See how simple life really is?


Thanks for proving my point where you're perfectly fine with letting them screw you over. Good day.


How?  If I don't like how a company is "treating" me, I do business elsewhere.  Thankfully, I have choices, and I don't make excuses.  If you want to cry in your own puddle of piss until someone else comes and cleans it up for you, then fine.  Live your life like that.  Not I.  I take action for myself.



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LivingMetal said:
fordy said:
LivingMetal said:
fordy said:


So what if the updates that you speak of removed a critical piece of the system, such as Blu-Ray playback. Just because it's a feature that you didn't use doesn't mean that nobody used it.

Also, Sony is taking the right steps to try and clean up the mess tey made, but there is no way that they're covering 100% of these costs. Credit card companies will still be having to hand out new pieces of plastic, the taxpayer paid FBI is helping too, like Sony's lapdog. Also, the customers are losing out on their online time. They should have worked to prevent this mess when they had the chance.

 

I use Blu-ray.  So either I update and buy a new Blu-ray player, or I just don't update.  See how simple life really is?


Thanks for proving my point where you're perfectly fine with letting them screw you over. Good day.


How?  If I don't like how a company is "treating" me, I do business elsewhere.  Thankfully, I have choices, and I don't make excuses.  If you want to cry in your own puddle of piss until someone else comes and cleans it up for you, then fine.  Live your life like that.  Not I.  I take action for myself.


By not taking action at all. How does that make you one to make choices. Sounds more like you're happy enough to let Sony make them for you.



could you please reduce the amount of posts chain-quoted? This thread is getting ridiculous with all those quote boxes.



The plot thickens !

 

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/34550/Hackers_Say_Anonymous_Likely_Responsible_For_Sony_Attacks.php



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

fordy said:
LivingMetal said:
fordy said:
LivingMetal said:
fordy said:


So what if the updates that you speak of removed a critical piece of the system, such as Blu-Ray playback. Just because it's a feature that you didn't use doesn't mean that nobody used it.

Also, Sony is taking the right steps to try and clean up the mess tey made, but there is no way that they're covering 100% of these costs. Credit card companies will still be having to hand out new pieces of plastic, the taxpayer paid FBI is helping too, like Sony's lapdog. Also, the customers are losing out on their online time. They should have worked to prevent this mess when they had the chance.

 

I use Blu-ray.  So either I update and buy a new Blu-ray player, or I just don't update.  See how simple life really is?


Thanks for proving my point where you're perfectly fine with letting them screw you over. Good day.


How?  If I don't like how a company is "treating" me, I do business elsewhere.  Thankfully, I have choices, and I don't make excuses.  If you want to cry in your own puddle of piss until someone else comes and cleans it up for you, then fine.  Live your life like that.  Not I.  I take action for myself.


By not taking action at all. How does that make you one to make choices. Sounds more like you're happy enough to let Sony make them for you.

 

I do take action by doing business with other companies when dissatisfied with others.  I'm not sitting in my own piss.  So how is Sony making choices for me?



LivingMetal said:
fordy said:
LivingMetal said:
fordy said:
LivingMetal said:
fordy said:


So what if the updates that you speak of removed a critical piece of the system, such as Blu-Ray playback. Just because it's a feature that you didn't use doesn't mean that nobody used it.

Also, Sony is taking the right steps to try and clean up the mess tey made, but there is no way that they're covering 100% of these costs. Credit card companies will still be having to hand out new pieces of plastic, the taxpayer paid FBI is helping too, like Sony's lapdog. Also, the customers are losing out on their online time. They should have worked to prevent this mess when they had the chance.

 

I use Blu-ray.  So either I update and buy a new Blu-ray player, or I just don't update.  See how simple life really is?


Thanks for proving my point where you're perfectly fine with letting them screw you over. Good day.


How?  If I don't like how a company is "treating" me, I do business elsewhere.  Thankfully, I have choices, and I don't make excuses.  If you want to cry in your own puddle of piss until someone else comes and cleans it up for you, then fine.  Live your life like that.  Not I.  I take action for myself.


By not taking action at all. How does that make you one to make choices. Sounds more like you're happy enough to let Sony make them for you.

 

I do take action by doing business with other companies when dissatisfied with others.  I'm not sitting in my own piss.  So how is Sony making choices for me?

 

Yes, but your logic states that if you're dissatisfied with a company, you're "sitting in your own piss". You can't have your cake and eat it too. There is a difference between sitting in your own piss and admitting it, and sitting in it and stubbornly denying the fact to prove a point.

There's nothing wrong with complainng about a company's performance, and you shouldn't be ridiculing the ones who say so. If you took a bite in a sandwich to find a huge turd in it, you would complain. You wouldn't keep eating it just to prove a point that you're not "sitting in your piss", because at that point the only person you're trying to prove it to is yourself.