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Kantor said:

I used to like Ron Paul, but the more I learn about him, the more I think he's completely insane.

  • 1. He wants to leave NATO (leaving Western Europe to be destroyed)
  • 2. He wants to remove troops from every other country in the world
  • 3. He wants to abolish the Federal Reserve. Just what the fuck.
  • 4. He also wants to abolish income tax. We all do, but that would pretty much cause economic collapse. The government can spend pretty much nothing if it doesn't collect income tax.
  • 5. He is ridiculously in favour of massive state power. Sure, he likes the idea of liberty, but if states feel otherwise, it's their choice
  • 6. He voted against civil rights. Against civil rights. And he said he would do the same today.
  • 7. And to top it off, he wants to get rid of the Department of Education and leave millions of poorer Americans without schooling (I can only assume)
  • 8. Basically, he has this veneration of the Founding Fathers akin to worship. He sees the Constitution as his Bible, and if anything is even hinted at as being undesirable by the constitution, he will not hear a word about it.

For now, my cross-Atlantic support (if that counts for anything) goes to Gary Johnson as a less sociopathic, more sensible version of Ron Paul. I wouldn't mind Obama being re-elected (sure as hell better than Ron Paul, Mitt Romney or Sarah Palin being President), but I would like somebody who will take a stance on debt reduction. Britain is already heading for collapse, and I don't want the USA to do the same.

1. So? NATO starts half the issues around the world. Honestly, why benefit was it to international freedom of any sort was it to bomb Libia or any other nation we have bombed do to their "cause"? And I guess according to you western europe is a bunch of weak pathetic countries? come on, give them some credit. I'm pretty sure they could muster a nice defensive army if needed.

2. Again, So? What the benefit has any war, intervention, etc has had for our country since World War II? None. None of them has done anything to protect our freedom. And I will even go as far as to say our part with Germany in WWII wasn't really needed. Battling Japan was fine since they would easily have intent to attack us again, Germany was bound to be crushed by Russia so our intervention maybe sped up the process of Russia winning the war for the "allied nations"?

3. The federal reserve is whats killing this country. Abolishing it would probably save us from the future economic meltdown that will happen by 2016 if something doesn't happen.

4. income tax is theft.. plain and simple. Tax us for using the roads, fine, tax us using government programs, fine, but don't tax us for trying to make our own living off our own time, blood, and sweat.

5. He want to dismantal the entire government and revert it back to its base form, he want government out of everyone's business. How the hell is that wanting more power for the government?

6.

Civil Rights Act was more about property than race relations

Q: In a speech you gave in 2004, the 40th anniversary of the Civil Rights Act, you said: “Contrary to the claims of supporters of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the act did not improve race relations or enhance freedom. Instead, the forced integration dictated by the Civil Rights Act increased racial tensions while diminishing individual liberty.” That act gave equal rights to African-Americans to vote, to live, to go to lunch counters, and you seem to be criticizing it.

A: Well, we should do this at a federal level, it’d be OK for the military. Just think of how the government caused all the segregation in the military until after World War II.

Q: You would vote against the Civil Rights Act, if it was today?

A: If it were written the same way, where the federal government’s taken over property--it has nothing to do with race relations. It has nothing to do with racism, it has to do with the Constitution and private property rights.

http://www.issues2000.org/2008/Ron_Paul_Civil_Rights.htm

 

7. Education can easily exist without government assistance. It has works for thousands of years before the USA even existed so I'm pretty sure education would work fantastically.

8. You do know he was a constitutionalist before even being a libertarian right? And really the constitution is America's bible. But I guess we might as well burn it if it means nothing to anyone now a days.



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