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imaprettyhotguy on 27 April 2011
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Winning the case means they can easily win against any future hackers, and because of their markets in developing countries Sony has the most to gain by keeping pirates off their system, I don't think they regret it, they have to take a stand and have better secruity then everyone else in order to keep pirating down on their system, the ps3 is far less pirated and has far less cheaters online then the other 2 consoles and pc


They didn't win though... they settled out of court, and didn't even make him sign an acceptance  of blame.   While yes, they clearly have better security, what with there online being the only online currently up and running....

Wait.  It's the exact opposite.  This lawsuit theoretically has made their security LESS safe because they put a big target on their head that's caused 2 hacking incidents.

Oh please it will be over in a week and Sony will come out with a more secure system and everyone knows it, if anything they are flushing the people out 

If it was that easy... I'd think the PSP would be more secure.  Wouldn't you?

Or every other system would do the same.   What makes you think Sony is god's gift to security programming?

They kept hackers off the ps3 for a record amount of time, and if I am to understand the psp situation it was hardware not software that was hacked and Sony didn't do any fighting for it so what makes you think they can't?

They kept hacekrs off ps3 for a record amount of time for the same reason Apple did with the Mac.  It's the best DRM there is.  It's called low marketshare.

Once the PS3 got more successful, hackers started paying attention and it was hacked.

What makes me think Sony can't?  Well that would be because they lost their master signing key... which turns out to not be random... even though it's suppsoed to be.

That's what was hacked. 

A master signing key is basically, the key that comes with the console at launch that tells sony made products from non sony products.  The products that are official get there own "key".

Normal hacks, cause the system to not do it's "authentication check."  It's easy to upgrade your firmware and change how the system does it's authentication heck.

This hack, causes the system to not know what is a sony game and what isn't... and you can't change the master key because if you did... every product BEFORE you changed the key would stop working on the PS3. 


Master Keys are pretty much NEVER hacked, because it's near impossible to do because the number is random with each product, meaning you'd need a LARGE LARGE LARGE sample of keys from different products and probably a powerful computer to run the numbers.  It'd be a lot of effort for no game.

Sony, didn't use a random number with each product.

So it took 3 keys... and a pencil and paper.  This is why I think Sony can't do it.

and yet still no hackers on psn and no pirates, the updates stopped them and the low market share is just pure bs, ps3 sold more in its first year then 360 did and 360 was hacked in its first year

Er.  360 had 100% Market share it's first year.

No hackers and pirates on PSN, well considering there are no legitamite people on PSN either, i'm not surprised.

As for that though i'll direct people to you  you everytime i get someone bitching about why they think Hotz was wrong because of all the hackers and pirates they claim plague online... and that online is worse then PC and 360.

So you can decide between you which of you is making stuff up to support your point.  I mean, if there are no hackers or pirates anymore, sony must REALLY regret going after GeoHotz.

Since they're entire PSN network got taken down by hackers twice, they lost customer information and they spent MILLIONS of dollars prosecuting him.

When what he did was already all cleaned up and made better.  Sounds like sueing your neighbor because he spilled some soda on your table and you needed to wipe it up with a rag.

I mean... Sony's lackluster security is responsible for what analyists think might be the BIGGEST breach in the history of such breaches.

http://ingame.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/04/26/6539290-why-the-playstation-network-breach-is-scary

You still really want to tout their security credentials as being far superior to Microsoft and Nintendos? 

No it had like 5% ps2, gamecube and the handhelds had the vast majority of it you obviously have no idea how market share works and I'm not even going to bother reading the rest 



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Kasz216 on 27 April 2011
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They kept hacekrs off ps3 for a record amount of time for the same reason Apple did with the Mac.  It's the best DRM there is.  It's called low marketshare.

Once the PS3 got more successful, hackers started paying attention and it was hacked.

What makes me think Sony can't?  Well that would be because they lost their master signing key... which turns out to not be random... even though it's suppsoed to be.

That's what was hacked. 

A master signing key is basically, the key that comes with the console at launch that tells sony made products from non sony products.  The products that are official get there own "key".

Normal hacks, cause the system to not do it's "authentication check."  It's easy to upgrade your firmware and change how the system does it's authentication heck.

This hack, causes the system to not know what is a sony game and what isn't... and you can't change the master key because if you did... every product BEFORE you changed the key would stop working on the PS3. 


Master Keys are pretty much NEVER hacked, because it's near impossible to do because the number is random with each product, meaning you'd need a LARGE LARGE LARGE sample of keys from different products and probably a powerful computer to run the numbers.  It'd be a lot of effort for no game.

Sony, didn't use a random number with each product.

So it took 3 keys... and a pencil and paper.  This is why I think Sony can't do it.

and yet still no hackers on psn and no pirates, the updates stopped them and the low market share is just pure bs, ps3 sold more in its first year then 360 did and 360 was hacked in its first year

Er.  360 had 100% Market share it's first year.

No hackers and pirates on PSN, well considering there are no legitamite people on PSN either, i'm not surprised.

As for that though i'll direct people to you  you everytime i get someone bitching about why they think Hotz was wrong because of all the hackers and pirates they claim plague online... and that online is worse then PC and 360.

So you can decide between you which of you is making stuff up to support your point.  I mean, if there are no hackers or pirates anymore, sony must REALLY regret going after GeoHotz.

Since they're entire PSN network got taken down by hackers twice, they lost customer information and they spent MILLIONS of dollars prosecuting him.

When what he did was already all cleaned up and made better.  Sounds like sueing your neighbor because he spilled some soda on your table and you needed to wipe it up with a rag.

I mean... Sony's lackluster security is responsible for what analyists think might be the BIGGEST breach in the history of such breaches.

http://ingame.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/04/26/6539290-why-the-playstation-network-breach-is-scary

You still really want to tout their security credentials as being far superior to Microsoft and Nintendos? 

No it had like 5% ps2, gamecube and the handhelds had the vast majority of it you obviously have no idea how market share works and I'm not even going to bother reading the rest 

You know... it'd be easier to admit "I was wrong."

And no... 360 had 100% of "Next generation marketshare".

Look on the front of the website and note how marketshare includes only 360, wii and PS3... because they're the only ones people are paying attention to.

Either way, the hypocrisy in your arguements are so blantant they speak for themselves.  "Sony has the best security because it took longer for their products to be hacked,  lets ignore the fact that they were the only company of the 3 to have their entire online network... and are responsible for the biggest dataleak in the history of the internet."

Nevermind the fact that we went from "There won't be any hackers and pirates aymore" to "There aren't any currently." (Presumibly you meant BEFORE PSN went down... because none now = obvious.)



imaprettyhotguy on 27 April 2011
Kasz216 said:
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They kept hacekrs off ps3 for a record amount of time for the same reason Apple did with the Mac.  It's the best DRM there is.  It's called low marketshare.

Once the PS3 got more successful, hackers started paying attention and it was hacked.

What makes me think Sony can't?  Well that would be because they lost their master signing key... which turns out to not be random... even though it's suppsoed to be.

That's what was hacked. 

A master signing key is basically, the key that comes with the console at launch that tells sony made products from non sony products.  The products that are official get there own "key".

Normal hacks, cause the system to not do it's "authentication check."  It's easy to upgrade your firmware and change how the system does it's authentication heck.

This hack, causes the system to not know what is a sony game and what isn't... and you can't change the master key because if you did... every product BEFORE you changed the key would stop working on the PS3. 


Master Keys are pretty much NEVER hacked, because it's near impossible to do because the number is random with each product, meaning you'd need a LARGE LARGE LARGE sample of keys from different products and probably a powerful computer to run the numbers.  It'd be a lot of effort for no game.

Sony, didn't use a random number with each product.

So it took 3 keys... and a pencil and paper.  This is why I think Sony can't do it.

and yet still no hackers on psn and no pirates, the updates stopped them and the low market share is just pure bs, ps3 sold more in its first year then 360 did and 360 was hacked in its first year

Er.  360 had 100% Market share it's first year.

No hackers and pirates on PSN, well considering there are no legitamite people on PSN either, i'm not surprised.

As for that though i'll direct people to you  you everytime i get someone bitching about why they think Hotz was wrong because of all the hackers and pirates they claim plague online... and that online is worse then PC and 360.

So you can decide between you which of you is making stuff up to support your point.  I mean, if there are no hackers or pirates anymore, sony must REALLY regret going after GeoHotz.

Since they're entire PSN network got taken down by hackers twice, they lost customer information and they spent MILLIONS of dollars prosecuting him.

When what he did was already all cleaned up and made better.  Sounds like sueing your neighbor because he spilled some soda on your table and you needed to wipe it up with a rag.

I mean... Sony's lackluster security is responsible for what analyists think might be the BIGGEST breach in the history of such breaches.

http://ingame.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/04/26/6539290-why-the-playstation-network-breach-is-scary

You still really want to tout their security credentials as being far superior to Microsoft and Nintendos? 

No it had like 5% ps2, gamecube and the handhelds had the vast majority of it you obviously have no idea how market share works and I'm not even going to bother reading the rest 

You know... it'd be easier to admit "I was wrong."

And no... 360 had 100% of "Next generation marketshare".

Look on the front of the website and note how marketshare includes only 360, wii and PS3... because they're the only ones people are paying attention to.

Either way, the hypocrisy in your arguements are so blantant they speak for themselves.  "Sony has the best security because it took longer for their products to be hacked,  lets ignore the fact that they were the only company of the 3 to have their entire online network... and are responsible for the biggest dataleak in the history of the internet."

Nevermind the fact that we went from "There won't be any hackers and pirates aymore" to "There aren't any currently." (Presumibly you meant BEFORE PSN went down... because none now = obvious.)

I didn't say they had the best just the most effective and they did, sure they screwed up but they still did better then everyone else, and again you have no idea how market share works