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Kynes said:
JazzyJeez said:
Kasz216 said:

Looks like it might not be hackers.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6310200.html


Is that rebug an example of the homebrew that people were denied?

So many rumours flying about atm, this fill your boots rebug, possibility of a security breach with psn user's credit card details, anonymous hacking the servers, whats next the CIA?


It would be an example of the stupidity of the PSN system administrators. Who doesn't check if a credit card's data is real or not?

Oh it's absolutely stupid if this turns out to be true, a big if though, but if I read the article correct its not normal user's credit card details not being checked, it's developers and journo's ( to review I guess ) , either way it's pretty silly.

Until its either made official or something more substantiated than a quote from a mod  it's just another rumour on the fear conveyor belt.

Btw if true, this is an example of something illegal.



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JazzyJeez said:
Kynes said:
JazzyJeez said:
Kasz216 said:

Looks like it might not be hackers.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6310200.html


Is that rebug an example of the homebrew that people were denied?

So many rumours flying about atm, this fill your boots rebug, possibility of a security breach with psn user's credit card details, anonymous hacking the servers, whats next the CIA?


It would be an example of the stupidity of the PSN system administrators. Who doesn't check if a credit card's data is real or not?

Oh it's absolutely stupid if this turns out to be true, a big if though, but if I read the article correct its not normal user's credit card details not being checked, it's developers and journo's ( to review I guess ) , either way it's pretty silly.

Until its either made official or something more substantiated than a quote from a mod  it's just another rumour on the fear conveyor belt.

Btw if true, this is an example of something illegal.


Of course, but it could be considered gross negligence by Sony. It's like leaving your car parked with it's keys on, I had a neighbour that used to do so, and one day the car was not there. Obviously the guy who stole it made something illegal, but my neighbour made something completely stupid. I'm not sure if the insurance company paid it, based on negligence on his part.



But this rebug, doesn't steal credit card details it fakes them so it can steal off the psn, at worst they might have to pay  compensation to developers, but highly unlikely, but you or I (presumably you have a ps3) wouldn't be able to claim because we haven't lost anything other than faith in their security.

Edit: surely you don't mean gross negligence because of the lack of credit card checks due to the system being hacked?



JazzyJeez said:

But this rebug, doesn't steal credit card details it fakes them so it can steal off the psn, at worst they might have to pay  compensation to developers, but highly unlikely, but you or I (presumably you have a ps3) wouldn't be able to claim because we haven't lost anything other than faith in their security.

Edit: surely you don't mean gross negligence because of the lack of credit card checks due to the system being hacked?


That's it, if this news are real, Sony is the only one who is robbed here, that's why I used that example.

 

Something that has to be clear, in any client-server architecture, you have to make the security checks at the server side, as the client side is much easier to compromise than the server side. If Sony made the security checks at the client side, don't get me wrong but they deserve to be stolen, as you can do almost whatever you want with a compromised client.



Kynes said:
JazzyJeez said:

But this rebug, doesn't steal credit card details it fakes them so it can steal off the psn, at worst they might have to pay  compensation to developers, but highly unlikely, but you or I (presumably you have a ps3) wouldn't be able to claim because we haven't lost anything other than faith in their security.

Edit: surely you don't mean gross negligence because of the lack of credit card checks due to the system being hacked?


That's it, if this news are real, Sony is the only one who is robbed here, that's why I used that example.

 

Something that has to be clear, in any client-server architecture, you have to make the security checks at the server side, as the client side is much easier to compromise than the server side. If Sony made the security checks at the client side, don't get me wrong but they deserve to be stolen, as you can do almost whatever you want with a compromised client.


Well these are the same people who used non-random number as a random number to protect their system.



Anyone can guess. It takes no effort to throw out lots of predictions and have some of them be correct. You are not and wiser or better for having your guesses be right. Even a blind man can hit the bullseye.

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I understand the relationship between server and client, although its not my field so far from an expert. I think deserve to be stolen, is a little bit strong, but they have to take a great amount of culpability.

In a way I hope this rumour turns out to be the actual reason for the psn 'outage', for the people who did,this ain't no grocery robbery its credit card fraud which is a very serious crime, with potentially custodial sentences being given out, still be a PR nightmare though for sony.

This rebug comes from CFW, so in a way this could merely strengthen any potential court cases for sony they are involved in, regarding os modification.



Grimes said:
Kynes said:
JazzyJeez said:

But this rebug, doesn't steal credit card details it fakes them so it can steal off the psn, at worst they might have to pay  compensation to developers, but highly unlikely, but you or I (presumably you have a ps3) wouldn't be able to claim because we haven't lost anything other than faith in their security.

Edit: surely you don't mean gross negligence because of the lack of credit card checks due to the system being hacked?


That's it, if this news are real, Sony is the only one who is robbed here, that's why I used that example.

 

Something that has to be clear, in any client-server architecture, you have to make the security checks at the server side, as the client side is much easier to compromise than the server side. If Sony made the security checks at the client side, don't get me wrong but they deserve to be stolen, as you can do almost whatever you want with a compromised client.


Well these are the same people who used non-random number as a random number to protect their system.


It's not that strange to do that. Nintendo did something similar with the Wii and the trucha bug, used to install unsigned software. The truth is that most "random" number generators use a non completely random seed.



JazzyJeez said:

I understand the relationship between server and client, although its not my field so far from an expert. I think deserve to be stolen, is a little bit strong, but they have to take a great amount of culpability.

In a way I hope this rumour turns out to be the actual reason for the psn 'outage', for the people who did,this ain't no grocery robbery its credit card fraud which is a very serious crime, with potentially custodial sentences being given out, still be a PR nightmare though for sony.

This rebug comes from CFW, so in a way this could merely strengthen any potential court cases for sony they are involved in, regarding os modification.

The only courtcase they are in invovling OS Modifcation was there removal of linux for security reasons.  Security being horribly breached without linux would hurt.... not help.

They dropped their lawsuits vs everyone else as part of their deal with Geohotz in their rush to settle.



Winning the case means they can easily win against any future hackers, and because of their markets in developing countries Sony has the most to gain by keeping pirates off their system, I don't think they regret it, they have to take a stand and have better secruity then everyone else in order to keep pirating down on their system, the ps3 is far less pirated and has far less cheaters online then the other 2 consoles and pc



imaprettyhotguy said:

Winning the case means they can easily win against any future hackers, and because of their markets in developing countries Sony has the most to gain by keeping pirates off their system, I don't think they regret it, they have to take a stand and have better secruity then everyone else in order to keep pirating down on their system, the ps3 is far less pirated and has far less cheaters online then the other 2 consoles and pc


They didn't win though... they settled out of court, and didn't even make him sign an acceptance  of blame.   While yes, they clearly have better security, what with there online being the only online currently up and running....

Wait.  It's the exact opposite.  This lawsuit theoretically has made their security LESS safe because they put a big target on their head that's caused 2 hacking incidents.