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fordy on 19 April 2011
Icyedge said:
dsister said:
LivingMetal said:
dsister said:
LivingMetal said:


Then why don't you do the whole world a favor if you are right.  You hack the PS3, publicly share your findings, and reveal who you are so there's not doubt whatsoever.  And then let's see what Sony can and will do do legally to protect their IP. Are you up for it? If not, do you encourage anyone to do it? Why or why not?

Apparently Sony won't do much too you besides a slap on the wrist. The geohot case shows this. 

 

And I don't see how that shows Sony won at all... Unless you are going somewhere with this, proceed. I am intrigued 


Stop skirting the question and answer it. I don't see how your actions are proving that Sony lost.


Ok... to answer your question.

1. Yes, I would. Sony has proven with the Geohot case there are almost no penalties for hacking your PS3 or releasing the hack into the wild 


If they had done nothing then yes it would have prove that theres no penalties for distributing hack into the wild. But since they sued Geohot and made him sign a agreement  it shows that there is penalties for releasing an hack into the wild. The next person will surely think 2 times before distributing a new hack.

they'd need to do the same with the next guy, and the guy after that. That is, unless they distribute their findings anonymously.

Seriously, Sony gained very little out of this.



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fordy on 19 April 2011
dsage01 said:

This guy really freaks the shit out of me. He bevhaves worse than a whinny 13 year old. My cousins 16 and is 10000 times more mature than him. All I have to say is that George grow up!! And get a job no one wont's to listen to you yap all day about Sony. Sony can kill your ass and no one would notice or care!


Because corporations should have the power to remove such people with who they disagree with, right?



dsage01 on 19 April 2011
fordy said:
dsage01 said:

This guy really freaks the shit out of me. He bevhaves worse than a whinny 13 year old. My cousins 16 and is 10000 times more mature than him. All I have to say is that George grow up!! And get a job no one wont's to listen to you yap all day about Sony. Sony can kill your ass and no one would notice or care!


Because corporations should have the power to remove such people with who they disagree with, right?


No that's not what I meant. But belive me we all know large companies like these and especailly politcians can do very harmful things. I've personal experiences.



goforgold on 19 April 2011

is this the last we've heard of this winey piece of shit, god I so fucking hope so

and I also would like all following threads made on this god damn topic be made in the Microsoft section.



fordy on 19 April 2011
goforgold said:

is this the last we've heard of this winey piece of shit, god I so fucking hope so

and I also would like all following threads made on this god damn topic be made in the Microsoft section.


How is this of any relevance to Microsoft?



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Kasz216 on 20 April 2011
dsister said:
Icyedge said:


If they had done nothing then yes it would have prove that theres no penalties for distributing hack into the wild. But since they sued Geohot and made him sign a agreement  it shows that there is penalties for releasing an hack into the wild. The next person will surely think 2 times before distributing a new hack.

ok... they didn't make him sign an agreement.And for a "loser"(not my words) he walked away with a slap on the wrist. He has never hacked a Sony product before, how badly do you think this is affecting his life now? 

That little thing in no way would stop me from releasing a hack for the PS3 or any other future console. 

Yeah i mean when the penalty for doing it is.... "You can never do it again."

Is that really a penalty?

I'm not going to do this... because if I get caught... i'm going to have to promise to not do it again!

Except... if you don't do it... you aren't doing it anyway.

It's like saying... don't litter, because if you get caught you will have to promise to not litter.

If anyone is deterred from doing something, because the ultimate penalty is, they will have to promise to not do it again....

they aren't a very logical person.



fordy on 20 April 2011
Kasz216 said:
dsister said:
Icyedge said:


If they had done nothing then yes it would have prove that theres no penalties for distributing hack into the wild. But since they sued Geohot and made him sign a agreement  it shows that there is penalties for releasing an hack into the wild. The next person will surely think 2 times before distributing a new hack.

ok... they didn't make him sign an agreement.And for a "loser"(not my words) he walked away with a slap on the wrist. He has never hacked a Sony product before, how badly do you think this is affecting his life now? 

That little thing in no way would stop me from releasing a hack for the PS3 or any other future console. 

Yeah i mean when the penalty for doing it is.... "You can never do it again."

Is that really a penalty?

I'm not going to do this... because if I get caught... i'm going to have to promise to not do it again!

Except... if you don't do it... you aren't doing it anyway.

It's like saying... don't litter, because if you get caught you will have to promise to not litter.

If anyone is deterred from doing something, because the ultimate penalty is, they will have to promise to not do it again....

they aren't a very logical person.

"Stop your nuclear weapons program or else"

"...or else what?"

"Or else....we will be very, very angry with you, and we will write you a letter, telling you how very angry we are!"



Kasz216 on 20 April 2011
fordy said:
Kasz216 said:
dsister said:
Icyedge said:


If they had done nothing then yes it would have prove that theres no penalties for distributing hack into the wild. But since they sued Geohot and made him sign a agreement  it shows that there is penalties for releasing an hack into the wild. The next person will surely think 2 times before distributing a new hack.

ok... they didn't make him sign an agreement.And for a "loser"(not my words) he walked away with a slap on the wrist. He has never hacked a Sony product before, how badly do you think this is affecting his life now? 

That little thing in no way would stop me from releasing a hack for the PS3 or any other future console. 

Yeah i mean when the penalty for doing it is.... "You can never do it again."

Is that really a penalty?

I'm not going to do this... because if I get caught... i'm going to have to promise to not do it again!

Except... if you don't do it... you aren't doing it anyway.

It's like saying... don't litter, because if you get caught you will have to promise to not litter.

If anyone is deterred from doing something, because the ultimate penalty is, they will have to promise to not do it again....

they aren't a very logical person.

"Stop your nuclear weapons program or else"

"...or else what?"

"Or else....we will be very, very angry with you, and we will write you a letter, telling you how very angry we are!"

Yeah.  Really thinking about it... it's like forbidding your kid from eating cookies before dinner.

Then he eats cookies, and you make him promise to not do it again. (And like put the cookies on top the fridge to represent the fine he might pay.)

His only punishment was moving the cookie jar on top of the fridge... which he never was aloud to be in anyay.-

At the end of the day.... the Kid got his Cookie and is no worse off.

At the end of the day, Hotz got his cookie, got Sony to spend millions of dollars on him, became the most known hacker on the internet and got offers from said publicity to work with companies.

At the end of the day, Sony got him to promise to not hack their products again.

 

I mean, if anything shouldn't this ENCOURAGE hackers?



Icyedge on 20 April 2011
fordy said:
Icyedge said:
fordy said:
Icyedge said:
fordy said:
theprof00 said:

Also, it was very nice of his lawyers to let him keep an even 10k.


I can see where you're going here, but keep in mind that the possibility is just as much as him topping up the remainder to an even $10k.

Except he asked for donation to support his case,  I dont see him having money to top anything. Let alone that you cannot trust a guy like him.

Oh really? Were you also one of those idiots who jumped on the "Geohot has fled the country" bandwagon when the news came out? Keep in mind that 1. He has close ties to the EFF, so he's probably donated to them before, and 2. He wasn't bankrupt. He still managed to spend spring break in South America. If people are willing to support his fight against corporate tyranny, more power to him.

No I never did comment on this. Between, im all for people giving him money, its their thing,  im just saying that since he needed donation to support his case he probably doesnt have money to top anything.

Use a bit of logic here....

He had money to go to South America for spring break. Do you think he didn't have enough to top it up to a round number? He even stated it on his blog.


Like I said, its possible.



Icyedge on 20 April 2011
Kasz216 said:
dsister said:
Icyedge said:


If they had done nothing then yes it would have prove that theres no penalties for distributing hack into the wild. But since they sued Geohot and made him sign a agreement  it shows that there is penalties for releasing an hack into the wild. The next person will surely think 2 times before distributing a new hack.

ok... they didn't make him sign an agreement.And for a "loser"(not my words) he walked away with a slap on the wrist. He has never hacked a Sony product before, how badly do you think this is affecting his life now? 

That little thing in no way would stop me from releasing a hack for the PS3 or any other future console. 

Yeah i mean when the penalty for doing it is.... "You can never do it again."

Is that really a penalty?

I'm not going to do this... because if I get caught... i'm going to have to promise to not do it again!

Except... if you don't do it... you aren't doing it anyway.

It's like saying... don't litter, because if you get caught you will have to promise to not litter.

If anyone is deterred from doing something, because the ultimate penalty is, they will have to promise to not do it again....

they aren't a very logical person.

Its not a big penalty at all, I agree, but who want to go through that trouble? Personally, I would think twice before distributing an hack, I dont have time to loose in a legal case, let alone the fact that some might not even have enough money to get a lawyer. I agree with you that nobody will be deterred by that penalty, what some will surely be deterred about is the process involve and the possibility of a bigger penalty (not saying its likely).