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LivingMetal on 12 April 2011
padib said:
LivingMetal said:
padib said:

things are far from over

http://www.techspot.com/news/43249-geohot-joins-anonymous-boycott-of-sony-asks-you-to-come-along.html

 

This. And him being banned from buying a SCEA product doesn't stop him from buying a Sony product, so a boycott of SONY products on his part is legitimate. He's a hacker, hackers don't just stop - they love a challenge. I knew there was more up his sleeve.


I don't see how boycotting a product will help his hacking skills.  But if he really needs a challenge, there's always mountain climbing.

Definitely mountain climbing as a challenge, and intellectual as he is he might even need it. ;)
But jokes aside, like I was referring to the article. It goes beyond the boycott, he's now part of Anonymous. That'll allow him to continue the fight on another front. It's not an anti-sony thing here, it really is an anti-conglomerate thing. If it was against apple I would've thought the same. It's a matter of philosophy more than anything really. I don't like the fact that the guy gets a) crushed by a large corporation, and b) no right to use what he lawfully owns in whatever way that legally pleases him. 

He never lawfully owned the software on the PS3.  Never.  So he got... "crushed."  So you are correct.



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Kasz216 on 12 April 2011
padib said:

 

 

@kasz - I loved reading that, it reads so well.

So, when it comes to the legal system and how things played out, Sony was actually in a losing position because they had no more options (due to the Judicial Estrappel). Couldn't they just drop the OtherOS case and focus on this one to win and avoid getting caught in two crossing paths? As for Hotz, I don't think he signed the settlement only because he lacked the funds (I'm hoping the guy has a little more fight in him). My thought was that he probably realized Sony had lost face enough (as said before the whole David vs. Goliath analogy) and figured there were plenty other hackers out there to carry on the torche without him spending any money, what's your opinion on that?

For the others, as I said before, the thing is your to own, so fanboys back off. I don't care what system it is, matter of fact I homebrewed my Wii as soon as I learned about it. The guy is not a cheater, and he is not a pirate. A terrible rapper, yes, but for all the rest a big no. Enough with the hating already.

Geez you read the comments in some of the forums online, and it's almost nuts. At least here people are still reasonable.

 

Sony can't drop the Other OS case because they're the defendents in it.  It's a class action suit against sony for removing Other OS.

I mean, they could settle that I guess, but they weren't expected to lose it.  Plus if they then won the hotz litigation, they'd not only lose that defense when it came to Other OS.  They'd lose it for any lawsuit against them period.

Having a sturdy shield is better then a piercing sword if your a large corporation i'd guess.

 

I imagine hotz took the deal because

A) The money thing

B) He lost basically nothing in the deal.   Sony basically said "whoops nevermind" we'll drop it so long as you don't distribute something that is already on the 4 corners of the internet.

C) Also If we sue you again it will New Jersey.

 

Why risk a Judge Ruling when technology cases are always up in the air when you basically get everything you want at no real penalty to you?

I mean technology cases can be goofy, just look at patent lawsuits, half the time patent trolls can win just because judges don't understand what they are argueing about.



ssj12 on 12 April 2011
Kasz216 said:
padib said:

 

 

@kasz - I loved reading that, it reads so well.

So, when it comes to the legal system and how things played out, Sony was actually in a losing position because they had no more options (due to the Judicial Estrappel). Couldn't they just drop the OtherOS case and focus on this one to win and avoid getting caught in two crossing paths? As for Hotz, I don't think he signed the settlement only because he lacked the funds (I'm hoping the guy has a little more fight in him). My thought was that he probably realized Sony had lost face enough (as said before the whole David vs. Goliath analogy) and figured there were plenty other hackers out there to carry on the torche without him spending any money, what's your opinion on that?

For the others, as I said before, the thing is your to own, so fanboys back off. I don't care what system it is, matter of fact I homebrewed my Wii as soon as I learned about it. The guy is not a cheater, and he is not a pirate. A terrible rapper, yes, but for all the rest a big no. Enough with the hating already.

Geez you read the comments in some of the forums online, and it's almost nuts. At least here people are still reasonable.

 

Sony can't drop the Other OS case because they're the defendents in it.  It's a class action suit against sony for removing Other OS.

I mean, they could settle that I guess, but they weren't expected to lose it.  Plus if they then won the hotz litigation, they'd not only lose that defense when it came to Other OS.  They'd lose it for any lawsuit against them period.

Having a sturdy shield is better then a piercing sword if your a large corporation i'd guess.


which unfortunately for Sony, they have a ton of people pissed at them. I know at least 50 people, not including me, that used OtherOS that has requested to be added to the suit. A sturdy shield isn't enough to fend off hundreds or people, let alone thousands. Think about all the medical scientists that probably put their names into this suit. Sony's shield will break under the weight of medical science.

And If im not mistaken, aren't people in Europe also trying to fight for OtherOS to be put back?



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LivingMetal on 12 April 2011
padib said:
LivingMetal said:
padib said:
LivingMetal said:
padib said:

things are far from over

http://www.techspot.com/news/43249-geohot-joins-anonymous-boycott-of-sony-asks-you-to-come-along.html

 

This. And him being banned from buying a SCEA product doesn't stop him from buying a Sony product, so a boycott of SONY products on his part is legitimate. He's a hacker, hackers don't just stop - they love a challenge. I knew there was more up his sleeve.


I don't see how boycotting a product will help his hacking skills.  But if he really needs a challenge, there's always mountain climbing.

Definitely mountain climbing as a challenge, and intellectual as he is he might even need it. ;)
But jokes aside, like I was referring to the article. It goes beyond the boycott, he's now part of Anonymous. That'll allow him to continue the fight on another front. It's not an anti-sony thing here, it really is an anti-conglomerate thing. If it was against apple I would've thought the same. It's a matter of philosophy more than anything really. I don't like the fact that the guy gets a) crushed by a large corporation, and b) no right to use what he lawfully owns in whatever way that legally pleases him. 

He never lawfully owned the software on the PS3.  Never.  So he got... "crushed."  So you are correct.

Okay smart-alec, define owned in "he never lawfully owned the software on the PS3". On the flip-side, did he own the PS3 hardware? Do you own yours? What elevates software above hardware such that you own one and not the other?

A little challenge for you ;)


The firmware?



ssj12 on 12 April 2011
padib said:
LivingMetal said:
padib said:
LivingMetal said:
padib said:

things are far from over

http://www.techspot.com/news/43249-geohot-joins-anonymous-boycott-of-sony-asks-you-to-come-along.html

 

This. And him being banned from buying a SCEA product doesn't stop him from buying a Sony product, so a boycott of SONY products on his part is legitimate. He's a hacker, hackers don't just stop - they love a challenge. I knew there was more up his sleeve.


I don't see how boycotting a product will help his hacking skills.  But if he really needs a challenge, there's always mountain climbing.

Definitely mountain climbing as a challenge, and intellectual as he is he might even need it. ;)
But jokes aside, like I was referring to the article. It goes beyond the boycott, he's now part of Anonymous. That'll allow him to continue the fight on another front. It's not an anti-sony thing here, it really is an anti-conglomerate thing. If it was against apple I would've thought the same. It's a matter of philosophy more than anything really. I don't like the fact that the guy gets a) crushed by a large corporation, and b) no right to use what he lawfully owns in whatever way that legally pleases him. 

He never lawfully owned the software on the PS3.  Never.  So he got... "crushed."  So you are correct.

Okay smart-alec, define owned in "he never lawfully owned the software on the PS3". On the flip-side, did he own the PS3 hardware? Do you own yours? What elevates software above hardware such that you own one and not the other?

A little challenge for you ;)

he is blinded by government propaganda that seems to want people to think companies own your souls and controls everything you do.  I guess civil rights is just something that a corporation allows for now. >.>



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Spankey on 12 April 2011
padib said:
LivingMetal said:
padib said:
LivingMetal said:
padib said:

things are far from over

http://www.techspot.com/news/43249-geohot-joins-anonymous-boycott-of-sony-asks-you-to-come-along.html

 

This. And him being banned from buying a SCEA product doesn't stop him from buying a Sony product, so a boycott of SONY products on his part is legitimate. He's a hacker, hackers don't just stop - they love a challenge. I knew there was more up his sleeve.


I don't see how boycotting a product will help his hacking skills.  But if he really needs a challenge, there's always mountain climbing.

Definitely mountain climbing as a challenge, and intellectual as he is he might even need it. ;)
But jokes aside, like I was referring to the article. It goes beyond the boycott, he's now part of Anonymous. That'll allow him to continue the fight on another front. It's not an anti-sony thing here, it really is an anti-conglomerate thing. If it was against apple I would've thought the same. It's a matter of philosophy more than anything really. I don't like the fact that the guy gets a) crushed by a large corporation, and b) no right to use what he lawfully owns in whatever way that legally pleases him. 

He never lawfully owned the software on the PS3.  Never.  So he got... "crushed."  So you are correct.

Okay smart-alec, define owned in "he never lawfully owned the software on the PS3". On the flip-side, did he own the PS3 hardware? Do you own yours? What elevates software above hardware such that you own one and not the other?

A little challenge for you ;)

Corporeal property vs. non-corporeal property.

Physical vs. Intellectual

etc.



Proud Sony Rear Admiral

ssj12 on 12 April 2011
LivingMetal said:
padib said:
LivingMetal said:
padib said:
LivingMetal said:
padib said:

things are far from over

http://www.techspot.com/news/43249-geohot-joins-anonymous-boycott-of-sony-asks-you-to-come-along.html

 

This. And him being banned from buying a SCEA product doesn't stop him from buying a Sony product, so a boycott of SONY products on his part is legitimate. He's a hacker, hackers don't just stop - they love a challenge. I knew there was more up his sleeve.


I don't see how boycotting a product will help his hacking skills.  But if he really needs a challenge, there's always mountain climbing.

Definitely mountain climbing as a challenge, and intellectual as he is he might even need it. ;)
But jokes aside, like I was referring to the article. It goes beyond the boycott, he's now part of Anonymous. That'll allow him to continue the fight on another front. It's not an anti-sony thing here, it really is an anti-conglomerate thing. If it was against apple I would've thought the same. It's a matter of philosophy more than anything really. I don't like the fact that the guy gets a) crushed by a large corporation, and b) no right to use what he lawfully owns in whatever way that legally pleases him. 

He never lawfully owned the software on the PS3.  Never.  So he got... "crushed."  So you are correct.

Okay smart-alec, define owned in "he never lawfully owned the software on the PS3". On the flip-side, did he own the PS3 hardware? Do you own yours? What elevates software above hardware such that you own one and not the other?

A little challenge for you ;)


The firmware?


Is owned by Sony until its installed onto your own hardware in which by rights can be removed yourself and install your own software onto.



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LivingMetal on 12 April 2011
ssj12 said:
LivingMetal said:
padib said:
LivingMetal said:
padib said:
LivingMetal said:
padib said:

things are far from over

http://www.techspot.com/news/43249-geohot-joins-anonymous-boycott-of-sony-asks-you-to-come-along.html

 

This. And him being banned from buying a SCEA product doesn't stop him from buying a Sony product, so a boycott of SONY products on his part is legitimate. He's a hacker, hackers don't just stop - they love a challenge. I knew there was more up his sleeve.


I don't see how boycotting a product will help his hacking skills.  But if he really needs a challenge, there's always mountain climbing.

Definitely mountain climbing as a challenge, and intellectual as he is he might even need it. ;)
But jokes aside, like I was referring to the article. It goes beyond the boycott, he's now part of Anonymous. That'll allow him to continue the fight on another front. It's not an anti-sony thing here, it really is an anti-conglomerate thing. If it was against apple I would've thought the same. It's a matter of philosophy more than anything really. I don't like the fact that the guy gets a) crushed by a large corporation, and b) no right to use what he lawfully owns in whatever way that legally pleases him. 

He never lawfully owned the software on the PS3.  Never.  So he got... "crushed."  So you are correct.

Okay smart-alec, define owned in "he never lawfully owned the software on the PS3". On the flip-side, did he own the PS3 hardware? Do you own yours? What elevates software above hardware such that you own one and not the other?

A little challenge for you ;)


The firmware?


Is owned by Sony until its installed onto your own hardware in which by rights can be removed yourself and install your own software onto.


But do I have the right to modify it that will cause potential financial harm to others.



Kasz216 on 12 April 2011
ssj12 said:
Kasz216 said:
padib said:

 

 

@kasz - I loved reading that, it reads so well.

So, when it comes to the legal system and how things played out, Sony was actually in a losing position because they had no more options (due to the Judicial Estrappel). Couldn't they just drop the OtherOS case and focus on this one to win and avoid getting caught in two crossing paths? As for Hotz, I don't think he signed the settlement only because he lacked the funds (I'm hoping the guy has a little more fight in him). My thought was that he probably realized Sony had lost face enough (as said before the whole David vs. Goliath analogy) and figured there were plenty other hackers out there to carry on the torche without him spending any money, what's your opinion on that?

For the others, as I said before, the thing is your to own, so fanboys back off. I don't care what system it is, matter of fact I homebrewed my Wii as soon as I learned about it. The guy is not a cheater, and he is not a pirate. A terrible rapper, yes, but for all the rest a big no. Enough with the hating already.

Geez you read the comments in some of the forums online, and it's almost nuts. At least here people are still reasonable.

 

Sony can't drop the Other OS case because they're the defendents in it.  It's a class action suit against sony for removing Other OS.

I mean, they could settle that I guess, but they weren't expected to lose it.  Plus if they then won the hotz litigation, they'd not only lose that defense when it came to Other OS.  They'd lose it for any lawsuit against them period.

Having a sturdy shield is better then a piercing sword if your a large corporation i'd guess.


which unfortunately for Sony, they have a ton of people pissed at them. I know at least 50 people, not including me, that used OtherOS that has requested to be added to the suit. A sturdy shield isn't enough to fend off hundreds or people, let alone thousands. Think about all the medical scientists that probably put their names into this suit. Sony's shield will break under the weight of medical science.

And If im not mistaken, aren't people in Europe also trying to fight for OtherOS to be put back?


Eh.  Even if they lose, it probably will only costs sony millions of dollars.  Rarely is there an injuction that forces stuff back in.


As for Europe, i can't say.  I do know that Norway ruled that Sony broke the law by removing Other OS.

http://forbrukerportalen.no/Artikler/2011/ PlayStation_3_violates_the_Norwegian_Marketing_Control_Act



Kasz216 on 12 April 2011
LivingMetal said:
padib said:
LivingMetal said:
padib said:
LivingMetal said:
padib said:

things are far from over

http://www.techspot.com/news/43249-geohot-joins-anonymous-boycott-of-sony-asks-you-to-come-along.html

 

This. And him being banned from buying a SCEA product doesn't stop him from buying a Sony product, so a boycott of SONY products on his part is legitimate. He's a hacker, hackers don't just stop - they love a challenge. I knew there was more up his sleeve.


I don't see how boycotting a product will help his hacking skills.  But if he really needs a challenge, there's always mountain climbing.

Definitely mountain climbing as a challenge, and intellectual as he is he might even need it. ;)
But jokes aside, like I was referring to the article. It goes beyond the boycott, he's now part of Anonymous. That'll allow him to continue the fight on another front. It's not an anti-sony thing here, it really is an anti-conglomerate thing. If it was against apple I would've thought the same. It's a matter of philosophy more than anything really. I don't like the fact that the guy gets a) crushed by a large corporation, and b) no right to use what he lawfully owns in whatever way that legally pleases him. 

He never lawfully owned the software on the PS3.  Never.  So he got... "crushed."  So you are correct.

Okay smart-alec, define owned in "he never lawfully owned the software on the PS3". On the flip-side, did he own the PS3 hardware? Do you own yours? What elevates software above hardware such that you own one and not the other?

A little challenge for you ;)


The firmware?

So, if the car company who made your car decides program in your cars firmware that it shuts down once the warranty is up... no complaints?

Corporations retaining rights to firmware is an extremely untenable position when you consider the fact that... EVERYTHING has firmware now a days.

From Videogame Consoles, to Cars, to Microwaves.