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I have to go soon for a couple hours but here's some early findings:

- theprof00 was killed by a serial killer (blaster shot, blue death, same as Linkz). Strange part is that radish targetted prof according to Vetteman but he's not the one who killed him.

- There's no doubt in my mind that radishhead was killed by the Mafia (Sith), the story describes a man in black who talks of the Dark Side and then fights with him and ends up electrocuting him.

 - A large letter M is mentionned twice in the flavor, once for prof (Amidala) and the second time for Final-Fan (Jabba). I'm not sure who that could refer to. From the picture, I see Mace Windu but I can't see how he'd fit into this.



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31 Hours left  (and a few minutes)

  

8 players : 5 votes to lynch 

Dsister: Gnizmo 

 

(don't hesitate to tell me if you spot vote mistakes - end day vote totals will be under the rules in the op for ease of further reference)

non votes are  Dsister * Gnizmo * Hatmoza * MG_94 * NotStan * Truck * Vette * Zexen



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@NotStan: Your theory about the M sign does make a lot of sense. So the masons have a vigilante amongst themselves and they decided to kill Final-Fan. This fits even more since I can easily see prof getting behind this idea.

So recap I'm rather certain that:

- Mafia killed radishhead

- SK killed prof

- Mason Vigilante killed Final-Fan

Now Wonk's death I'm not sure about:

NotStan theory's would work: Final-Fan was an insane doctor and protected Wonk but instead crushed him.



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I've been googling about the barman part of Final-Fan's role and according the Wikipedia it's a manipulative role (but there's no details on how it works)

I've also found a document in French that says the barman is a townie who can discreetly spy on the Mafia (but that's for a face-to-face Mafia, FF's role could be a variation of that)



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NotStan said:

I don't quite see what you see there, although I am suspicious of Dsis right now too, we shouldn't vote too rashly yet, especially with such low numbers and with what is probably almost no power roles left, what's interesting is the fact that Dsis visited prof too.. People say that he might be the redirector, can he also be the person who unwittingly deflects a night action done onot him onto someone else? I think such role exists as I remember reading about it. Dsis has alot of explaining to do.

HoS Dsister

Holding off the vote for now.


In a rare moment of full transparency I am going to explain my precise thought process on this. I really am convinced it is in our best interest to get rid of Dsister. I just can't see him being a good guy.

The first and most essential part of all of this is the "Assassinated" tag. That was used for the Serial Killer. So we either have to have two Serial Killers, or another role that would be similar. Vigilante is the flip side of that coin, and a compulsive Vigilante is just a Serial Killer with a different alignment.  This is important because it is the lynch pin for why I am trusting Vetteman.

We know Radish had to kill last night, and it likely shows up as something. Given the above the Assassinated is the most likely, but only one name pops up under it. Prof is a known townie who most likely had close ties to Radish as a connected Masson. I can't think of anyone better to have as Massons then the Jedi. So there is potentially even less reason for Radish to go after Prof.

So here we have Profs role and alignment known. Suddenly he is attacked by Radish, but also visited by Dsister. So first theory is Dsister intentionally redirected the kill onto a known townie with a power role. That is obviously scum, but let us assume for the moment this is not the case. You have suggested an alternative hypothesis which I will now address.

Dsister could have just been shunting attacks. We know he vistsed Prof which means it was targeted. He intentionally targetted a known townie for all actions going after him. There is no way this benefits the town at all. Either he would be mis-scanned, or something horrible would happen to Prof in his stead. The choice for any experienced Mafia player, and doubly for Dsister would be to deflect onto a lurker in order to try and kill them. Prof might not be as active as past games, but there are other lurkers with a murkier alignment.

All of the above is the most logical course of events. Nothing in there leaves even the most remote possibility that he is a good guy. Dsister must be scum.



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TruckOSaurus said:

I've been googling about the barman part of Final-Fan's role and according the Wikipedia it's a manipulative role (but there's no details on how it works)

I've also found a document in French that says the barman is a townie who can discreetly spy on the Mafia (but that's for a face-to-face Mafia, FF's role could be a variation of that)


That would be inline with my thoughts as well. I would guess Heph would forward on the gist of what the secret societies were planning without any names attached. So he would probably get stuff like who they targetted, and who they were thinking of targetting. Plans they might have had in a very general sense. The kind of stuff a Barman would naturally over-hear as people talk about the most private aspects of their lives in public venues without thinking about it. Really though this is a curiosity for after the game. Currently his role is to push up daisies.



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Gnizmo said:
NotStan said:

I don't quite see what you see there, although I am suspicious of Dsis right now too, we shouldn't vote too rashly yet, especially with such low numbers and with what is probably almost no power roles left, what's interesting is the fact that Dsis visited prof too.. People say that he might be the redirector, can he also be the person who unwittingly deflects a night action done onot him onto someone else? I think such role exists as I remember reading about it. Dsis has alot of explaining to do.

HoS Dsister

Holding off the vote for now.


In a rare moment of full transparency I am going to explain my precise thought process on this. I really am convinced it is in our best interest to get rid of Dsister. I just can't see him being a good guy.

The first and most essential part of all of this is the "Assassinated" tag. That was used for the Serial Killer. So we either have to have two Serial Killers, or another role that would be similar. Vigilante is the flip side of that coin, and a compulsive Vigilante is just a Serial Killer with a different alignment.  This is important because it is the lynch pin for why I am trusting Vetteman.

We know Radish had to kill last night, and it likely shows up as something. Given the above the Assassinated is the most likely, but only one name pops up under it. Prof is a known townie who most likely had close ties to Radish as a connected Masson. I can't think of anyone better to have as Massons then the Jedi. So there is potentially even less reason for Radish to go after Prof.

So here we have Profs role and alignment known. Suddenly he is attacked by Radish, but also visited by Dsister. So first theory is Dsister intentionally redirected the kill onto a known townie with a power role. That is obviously scum, but let us assume for the moment this is not the case. You have suggested an alternative hypothesis which I will now address.

Dsister could have just been shunting attacks. We know he vistsed Prof which means it was targeted. He intentionally targetted a known townie for all actions going after him. There is no way this benefits the town at all. Either he would be mis-scanned, or something horrible would happen to Prof in his stead. The choice for any experienced Mafia player, and doubly for Dsister would be to deflect onto a lurker in order to try and kill them. Prof might not be as active as past games, but there are other lurkers with a murkier alignment.

All of the above is the most logical course of events. Nothing in there leaves even the most remote possibility that he is a good guy. Dsister must be scum.

There are at least 3 roles that I have managed to unearth that could potentially be Dsis, and the research was not even that extensive, I agree with your theory in regards to Dsister being scum though. I am personally thinking that he is a mafia bus driver, it would make sense in regards to the fact that Prof is a well known townie, if he were a mafia bus driver he'd switch one of his members with a well known townie - such as in this case - Prof. But I still think we should hold off for a bit, we got 20-something hours until the day ends, the least we coul do is listen to what Dsister has to say before lynching him. I suspect at least 2-3 at the present, but I'll hold my suspicions off for now and just concentrate on Dsis.



Disconnect and self destruct, one bullet a time.

Also to add on top: It'd be even easier for him to bus drive the scum member taking into account that there would only be two of them remaining!



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NotStan said:

Also to add on top: It'd be even easier for him to bus drive the scum member taking into account that there would only be two of them remaining!


Bus Driver doesn't add up. Vetteman targeted prof. Radish and Vetteman's abilities both ended up targetting the same person thus Radish must have targetted prof. That is why the redirector role got put into play as the most viable solution.



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Gnizmo said:
NotStan said:

Also to add on top: It'd be even easier for him to bus drive the scum member taking into account that there would only be two of them remaining!


Bus Driver doesn't add up. Vetteman targeted prof. Radish and Vetteman's abilities both ended up targetting the same person thus Radish must have targetted prof. That is why the redirector role got put into play as the most viable solution.

Ah yes. Redirector is more plausible then, I totally neglected that Vetteman targeted prof /facepalm.

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Redirector

Actually reading about it now, it's highly likely, that [he directed a well known kill towards] a well known practically verified townie, I was thinking of another role but I want to hear what Dsis has to say before mentioning it.

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