How do you explain "Every town is allied with us." Like "assets" it implies that you know Baal's alignment already.

The "assets" thing did strike me as I read it, but I would be foolish to vote just on that as I also considered the possibility of masons. I realize that chances are he cannot confirm that being so due to threat of a modkill, but the way he's completely distanced himself from TOS now makes me feel that isn't the case anyway. My concern is more that he seems unwilling to lynch, not for the stated reason of losing an "asset", but what I believe is fear of looking scummy if that's what happens.

As I already mentioned, he said that with a short day votes need to come out quickly. Yet he hasn't even so much as FoS'd someone, and went with the "safe" "no lynch" vote. He does seem to want hat lynched, as he's mentioned it at least twice: here and just recently. However, in the follow up to that first post he clearly doesn't want to be involved in said lynch. As an additional note, the follow up also uses "assets" and even if I believed it was a typo once, I don't see it happening twice.

If he's not the enemy, then who do you think is so far?

I admit I could be wrong, as I only have my interpretation of the posts as evidence; however, last round he did vote hat day one before going to the no lynch train. Given that, I don't believe it's like radish who "always" wants no lynch day one.

I don't like the over defensiveness of baal, but I also think the assets thing could be a simple mistake

I really don't think it was some kinda slip.

I also don't like Hat's early roleclaim, I think someone already mentioned this but there many things that can go wrong like what if there is a mafia roleblocker again or a mafia assassin or a mafia bussdriver or a mafia framer?!?!

Unless your role so powerful none of that will affect you... 

I think you're really putting out evidence that isn't necessarily true.  In the first post where I mentioned hatmoza, I was simply making the point that if he wants to vote out an asset such as myself, we might as well try to vote him out too, since he claims to be such a big asset for the town.  I am not saying to any degree whatsoever that we SHOULD vote out hatmoza, simply that if you want to target a town member, you could just as well target him.

In the second post, I was inferring that if I get lynched, I surely hope that you guys vote hatmoza out, as he is the bastard who started the lynch train against me in the first place.

It really pisses me off when people try to reiterate what I say, and act as if it means something completely different.

Also, you mention last game when I voted hatmoza.  Not only was this my first game, and I didn't much know what was going on, but who ever said that a vote day 1 automatically equals lynching somebody day 1?

Since you have pissed me off enough, and I'm getting so damned frustrated at the moment.

FoS: hatmoza

FoS: linkz

1) If you think that hat knows you're a townie(outside of being masons together) then you should be voting him. Otherwise it's just Oh My God/Gosh, yoU Suck/yoU're Scum(http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Omgus)

2) You're doing it again. Implying that you know someone is town.

3) Again that's ridiculous unless you actually think hat is scum. If you are town and he is as well, you'd be setting town way back. I doubt any of us would follow through simply because you urged it, just saying.

4) It doesn't have to be, but what does a vote mean to you?

1.) Ok, I'm going to vote hatmoza, and then have 4 other people ask me what the hell I'm doing, vote for me, and I'm done.  That is exactly what I see happening if I vote hatmoza, so please don't tell me that is how I should play.

2.) He stated he was town.  Simply put.  He may be lying, he may be telling the truth.  I don't know, but he stated he was town, so all I was saying is that I've also more or less said I'm town, and the town would be just as good to vote him off as me, since I'm an asset to the town as well.

I REALLY don't understand why people immediately suck in and believe everything hatmoza has said in relation to him being town, and then when I say quite clearly and truthfully that I'm an asset to the town, everybody acts as if it is a total and complete lie.

3.) The thing is, I'M TOWN, I don't know how else I can possibly say this.  Town I am.  I am a member of the town.  I'm part of the friendly town team.  Is there any other way I can tell you guys this?  So when I'm lynched, and you realize that EVERYTHING I have said in regards to me being town is true, I think some WILL take heed to what I'm saying, and wonder why the hell some people were pushing a lynch against me.

4.) A vote can mean lots of things.  It can mean you want to lynch somebody because you are suspicious of them.  It can mean that you want that person gone because you are a scum and want to rid the game of all townies.  Hell, it can even mean you are trying to push your own agenda and get somebody to reveal some information, or something along those lines.

anyone other than vett not check in yet?

I'd rather see radish lynched day one than baal but would rather have baal lynched than a no lynch.

Funny how you say this last game: 1. In some situations it's a good idea for numbers altough I've yet to see scum hit in a day one lynch

Now, this game, you have not 1, BUT 2 people you would rather see lynched before going for a no lynch.

So I just wanted to ask, what is it about this specific game that is good for numbers in regards to you wanting a person lynched so badly.

Simplest way of putting it is even vs odd numbers. Better for the town if the numbers are odd end game. Although there are many possiblibties since we don't know what else is out there it is more likely go go kill for kill back and forth between town and scum.

Now for the two people over the no lynch. You have drawn enough suspicion that you could be a liability latter. Also athough most the points against you aren't that strong. Some do bother me enough. Mostly you argument with and about hat.

As for radish his reaction to my oberservation was all wrong.