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richardhutnik said:

Human bodies are entities that do not want to die.  The entire entity is structured so that it wants to live and will do everything in its power to not die.  Whenever someone gets the idea to die, it is because they are stuck in a situation of perceived hopelessness that is a misfunction of what it means to be human.  Want to know why you intervene with people who want to kill themselves?  The reason why is that it isn't the way it is meant to be.  And in a society that doesn't value life that sufficiently that it will, it then will show less regard for life in a lot of other areas.

I understand there is places of hopelessness, and it seems like a mercy killing would be appropriate.  There is also the case of the separate situation where you keep someone in a vegetative state, or trying to save someone who would die shortly of natural causes.  There is also easing pain of someone who is dying.

Anyhow, if you feel that people should have a right to off themselves, I am curious why you think that this is something someone would pick as their option if they had hope.  Maybe the focus should be to give someone hope, rather than ending it all. 

As for the guy with no arms and legs.  He still has a mind, and can think and talk.  Humans can work to give him tools to enable him to function.  In an information age, the mind is a LOT more important than arms and legs.

Once again, the word selfishness appears in my mind when I read this.  Who are we to say the proper way that we are meant to operate?  That is simply the way that many people have perceived human life, not necessarily the way it is supposed to be.

Also, you speak of somebody with no arms and legs still having a mind.  What about, hmmm, somebody who can't even think any more.  They have to be fed, because they do not know when they are hungry.  Other than that, essentially nothing means anything to them because their mind is, simply put, nonexistent.  No offense, but what fucking hope exists for people like this that we are keeping alive!!!  It pisses me off so bad that we think we are the ones that choose that somebody like this should continue living.

I'm sorry if I'm getting mad, I just get completely pissed when people say humans are meant to be this, when that is, as mentioned before, a simple perception from one human of the whole human race.  You have no clue if what we perceive ourselves to be is what was initially meant to occur.  Hell, you don't even know if we were meant to be here for any reason, yet you think you can just say that we are, and that justifies being able to control other people's lives.



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I agree with keeping suicide illegal, we should give them the death penalty.

Now seriously, I never heard about suicide being illegal, but if it is, that's stupid, it's your life, do whatever you want with it, if you want to kill yourself, I see no issue about that. No one but you should decide if you should continue your life or not. That is, as long as you kill yourself without hurting anyone, there was a girl who jumped from a 20 story building here and landed in a parked taxi. Not only she didn't die (she ended up in coma...she might have died later, I'm not sure), she destroyed a poor man's only working method.

But as long as you don't cause any problems to anyone with your suicide, by all means do it.

Obviously I'm for euthanasia too




zexen_lowe said:

I agree with keeping suicide illegal, we should give them the death penalty.

Now seriously, I never heard about suicide being illegal, but if it is, that's stupid, it's your life, do whatever you want with it, if you want to kill yourself, I see no issue about that. No one but you should decide if you should continue your life or not. That is, as long as you kill yourself without hurting anyone, there was a girl who jumped from a 20 story building here and landed in a parked taxi. Not only she didn't die (she ended up in coma...she might have died later, I'm not sure), she destroyed a poor man's only working method.

But as long as you don't cause any problems to anyone with your suicide, by all means do it.

Obviously I'm for euthanasia too

Hmmm, I never have quite understood some of the methods some people use to commit suicide.  If I'd jump off a building, knowing my luck, I'd live and have to suffer through it the rest of my life.



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Baalzamon said:
zexen_lowe said:

I agree with keeping suicide illegal, we should give them the death penalty.

Now seriously, I never heard about suicide being illegal, but if it is, that's stupid, it's your life, do whatever you want with it, if you want to kill yourself, I see no issue about that. No one but you should decide if you should continue your life or not. That is, as long as you kill yourself without hurting anyone, there was a girl who jumped from a 20 story building here and landed in a parked taxi. Not only she didn't die (she ended up in coma...she might have died later, I'm not sure), she destroyed a poor man's only working method.

But as long as you don't cause any problems to anyone with your suicide, by all means do it.

Obviously I'm for euthanasia too

Hmmm, I never have quite understood some of the methods some people use to commit suicide.  If I'd jump off a building, knowing my luck, I'd live and have to suffer through it the rest of my life.

I've heard that if you jump from a really tall building you can die from a heart attack before hitting the ground, so it's "painless". Then again, I dunno how parachutists would survive to it, so it's very likely false




Mostly people who commit suicide are depressed, it's a mental health issue and they are not fully in control of their own actions.

I agree with it being illegal in the sense that it allows authorities to intervene to stop suicide, I do not however think failed attempts should be punished and I'm pretty sure that they never ever are.



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I agree that euthanasia should be permitted in certain cases (terminal illness, people in vegetative state etc.). Forcing people to live like this is inhumane.

The problem with suicide is that many people are psychologically disturbed when they wanna do this. People are allowed to make deicsions they may regrett, but killing yourself is really a permanant state, which you cannot change (granted, nothing will matter after that). I'm torn on this issue.



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Mr Khan said:
Baalzamon said:
Kantor said:

As for what you're saying about legalising regular suicide, I don't agree there. It shouldn't be legal unless you have a serious condition that impairs your ability to live a good life, or you are in pain, and you want to die.

Why? Because depression is a passing thing. You might feel that nobody loves you one day, and meet a fantastic girl/guy the next. You could have financial issues, and they could be resolved within a few months. By keeping suicide illegal, we put up some sort of barrier against a premature end to what could still be a fulfilling life.

Hold up, it's illegal to commit suicide???  How in any way whatsoever is it being illegal to commit suicide going to stop somebody from committing suicide.  You will be dead, so why do you care that there was a law preventing you from getting to that point?

That way law enforcement is empowered to stop you in the attempt

Generally life is seen as sacred, if a person wants to take their own life with their own means then if they do it right then the law can do nothing to stop it and no preceedings are dealt with after other then the persons Will. But I'd be shocked to hear someone didn't try and save another person's life if they could, even one who is intent on suicide. As they say, suicide is rarely the answer.

 

I think the many issues come from Euthanasia, though. There are numerous instances where even though you have decided you'd like to die (or in some cases not) because you have so little control over your actions or can't nessecarily do it yourself due to your illness, another person must administer the drug or susbstance to end your life. That person, according to the law, is responsible for your murder/manslaughter/assisted suicide as these things can be prosecuted by law.

I agree that the law should stop a healthy person from committing suicide but it is their choice in the end. In the case of Euthanasia then you should be able to die with dignity the way you wish and the person helping you should not be prosecuted.



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PhoenixKing said:

Under the assumption it hurts no one else, of course.

Such as suicide. Why don't we just let people end their own lives if they're so miserable with living it? Aren't WE the ones being selfish by demanding they continue living in misery? Why can't we just respect there decision if they've thought about it and made the choice for themselves?


The rest is tl;dr

I would support assisted suicide. People that don't want to live at least getting help to "go away" so they don't have to... say, jump the bridge and  causing a scene and possibly accidents that end others' lives.

If I am in a coma and have no sign of recovery. I'd want to end it then and there and not become a life long burden on my family.



zexen_lowe said:

I agree with keeping suicide illegal, we should give them the death penalty.


I agree.



Suicide being illegal never made sense to me. I mean, if a person really wants to top themselves law and order cannot hope to stop it, hence why people still do it even when it is illegal in countries.

Euthanasia should be legal with significant legal and medical safegaurds in place. Such as phychological testing to assess the persons state to see if thats really what they want, medical experts looking into it to see if the pain can be alleviated or to confirm that it truly is debilitating etc. Eg safeguards to make sure the system isn't abused too often.

I feel the same way about most drugs. They should be legal, regulated, open to the free market and taxed. It would create jobs, put money into government coffers and weaken cartels. Win win considering people do drugs regardless of whether they're legal or not. Furthermore people should be sent to clinics if they're addicted, not fined or gaoled, of course that depends on how many laws a person breaks to get the next fix but just taking a drug shouldn't be an offense.