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MDMAniac said:

Now I'm really really angry, too. After so long it took to establish no-fly zone, instead of destroying Lybian air force and bombing the bases, they shoot down fighter jet belonging to rebels. What the fuck is that, so much for support UN promised to rebels! And while UN were busy destroying rebels thin air force, Benghazi was under a strike and shelling! Meanwhile fucking clown Kadafi is smiling and explaining that it were rebels who bombed the rebel capital. I'm just speachless, what the fuck US/NATO is doing?! Is it so hard to bomb Tripoli and kill Kadafi with his fucking government and save people lives? What an assholes are leading us?

Well bombing is not hard but in combination with saving lives that is hard....  Khaddaffi is using prisoners/citizens as human shield... 



 

mrstickball said:

 

Furthermore, America was trashed and thrown mud at the world over when we attacked Iraq and Afghanistan. 


And USA did not deserve that? Hey the world was just using free voice..Something that you talk in your post so postive about but also negative kind of strange..

Anyway I am pretty sure that the people who complained the most about the war in Iraq and were marching on the streets of Washington were not some idiots from Europe ;).



 



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Lostplanet22 said:
mrstickball said:

 

Furthermore, America was trashed and thrown mud at the world over when we attacked Iraq and Afghanistan. 


And USA did not deserve that? Hey the world was just using free voice..Something that you talk in your post so postive about but also negative kind of strange..

Anyway I am pretty sure that the people who complained the most about the war in Iraq and were marching on the streets of Washington were not some idiots from Europe ;).

80% of Americans supported the invasions when they happened. When war was authorized, it passed notable margins in the congress and senate.

My point was that we were thrown in the mud for what we did (and rightfully so), now the shoe is on the other foot, and it seems that Europe is happy to be in the position its taking. My arguments should resonate to the fact that unless a country is directly attacking you or an ally that you have previously signed mutual defense treaties with, you should not be involved - no proxy wars, no NFZ's, and so on.



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Lostplanet22 said:

Well the France airplanes were already their...  Not sure what they are doing now...

Countries sending military help:

France,UK,Denmark, Greece, Norway, Poland Belgium, Portugal, USA, Canada.. (Missed one?);


Countries who doesn't send help for sure:  Germany..And Italy(but they open some bases for the pilots who fly now above Libya).

Qatar and the UAE are supposed to be sending military help to I believe.



mrstickball said:
Lostplanet22 said:
mrstickball said:

 

Furthermore, America was trashed and thrown mud at the world over when we attacked Iraq and Afghanistan. 


And USA did not deserve that? Hey the world was just using free voice..Something that you talk in your post so postive about but also negative kind of strange..

Anyway I am pretty sure that the people who complained the most about the war in Iraq and were marching on the streets of Washington were not some idiots from Europe ;).

80% of Americans supported the invasions when they happened. When war was authorized, it passed notable margins in the congress and senate.

My point was that we were thrown in the mud for what we did (and rightfully so), now the shoe is on the other foot, and it seems that Europe is happy to be in the position its taking. My arguments should resonate to the fact that unless a country is directly attacking you or an ally that you have previously signed mutual defense treaties with, you should not be involved - no proxy wars, no NFZ's, and so on.


Which is exactly why the US is staying out of it and saying "we'll give you guys help to do it."

America is judged under different rules because it's the loan "Super Power."

 



Whoa, news are so great now! Obviously everyone is busy bombing Tripoli atm. Why it took them so long I wonder? Anyways, death to Kadafi! xD



so...there are an increasing amount of protests in syria and they are being shut down with lethal force....what happens if things get really serious there?   i mean...all these assets have been moblised and are in the mediterranean already...  

i wonder if this no fly zone over libya has encouraged the protesters there.



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noname2200 said:
mrstickball said:

Its not America's battle.

Pretty much this.  I'm very confused as to why the OP has decided to single out the United States.


I singled out the US because of Obama's speech's. When you constantly threaten and offer to assist the people of Libya. But drag your feet as long as possible while people are dying. Thats why I signalled the US out, not to mention the rest of NATO always awaits the US's approval before doing anything as they are the super power.

Obama said like a month ago that the attacks on unarmed civilians was unacceptable and that Gaddafi had to step down immediatly or the US would do something. Then the US threatened a no-fly zone, the rest of Nato backed the idea, then Obama decided before taking action it needed UN approval. Then the Arab League begged the world to implement a no-fly zone. Finally it got before the UN and it took a week of debating before finally the no-fly zone gets approved. Then the US says they will discuss it in France allowing another two days to go by. Then finally after Gaddafi's troops enter Benghazi finally the no-fly zone begins.

Also those mentioning Bahrain and Yemen. Neither Government has begun slaughtering everyone who opposes. I read Gaddafi's forces injured or killed 600 people in one day. Reports have come in from rebels saying thousands of protestors Women and children are being killed. Gaddafi himself said he would kill the protestors like dogs going door to door to find these disturbers and slaughter them all.

So far in Bahrain and Yemen their has been minimal deaths. I know 40 in one day is alittle bad, but the US sent a warning to Yemen after that as well. As for Syria, yah I'd say if the Government starts using excessive force on a massive scale like killing hundreds in a day, then yes the US or UN should intervene.

As for the Iranian Green Revolution, I agree the US should have done something. However the protestors were still a minority. Also much like Bahrain and Libya right now we don't know how many people were killed. Was it dozens like the Iranian Government declared or hundreds.

Libya is an exception because of how many people are being killed, also its a majority of the Libyan people who want Gaddafi gone. Outside of Tripoli the rest of the country wants him gone and he's willing to kill anyone and everyone who opposes him.

Also did you just hear, Gaddafi wants to start arming all of his supporters to go out and murder his opposition. Nothing good can come from giving everyone weapons. That will create war lords and soon we will have another Somalia!



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