Mr Khan said:
So now what we need is an Islamic variation of the Reformation, where the post-scriptural addendums are disregarded?
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Nice response, the arguments fallacy is revealed once lolita said:
"They are easily influenced into doing or believing bad things when really there shouldn't be anyone telling them what to do"
There's more but that line alone sends any virtue in the statement out the window.
It's insulting the reader by pandering to relative concepts of good and bad without any material or rational support of the distinction between Hadith supporters and Qur'an supporters.
In Bin Laden's Manifesto he sites the Qur'an and the Hadiths’ and finds validity in his claims or actions through both works.
Even before there were Hadiths there was a nihilistic level of in fighting and supporting ideologies, that's why their needed to be a Qur'an in the first place. Then when the Qur'an was selected the imperialism began with many failed attempts to destroy the Byzantium. If anything the formation of the Qur'an only showed the beginnings of Mohammedan Imperialism.
There’s more I can get into, more detail if anyone would like me to go into it.
Oh I’ll take this post for any fair minded readers from America who are interested in this subject but a little confused perhaps about the nature of the Islamic threat to the West (Including America).
1. This isn’t blow back - Expansive Islam is exactly that, the problem is not with American foreign policy, the Europeans are honestly just tight wads (my self being raised only a few miles north) about the US being a super power and only what? 227 years old. (By the English calendar and not the constitution). In fact the EU wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t for the US crutch that they needed when first forming. It’s down right shameful they show so much aggression to the country that helped them unify where they failed or were going to fail so horribly.
The problem is with Islam not the West.
2. This is really an addendum to (1) the proof of this is something like Thailand, with a 95% Buddhist population has managed to have it’s democratically elected leader ousted by a newly appointed Muslim general who instead replaced him with a lenient puppet. The reasoning was that 5% of the population that were going around killing others near Malay would calm down once they got representation in Thai government (Which they already had). That 5% are Muslims by the way, who decided that Thailand is now Muslim land and want the Buddhists to covert or leave; so they go around bombing, stabbing, raping, shooting, stoning, beheading, acid tossing and so on Buddhists and Muslim sympathizers alike. Now keep in mind this is the far east and not the middle east or the West. The Muslims there out right declared Jihad against the idolaters (Buddhists) there and well, you can research the rest. Again the problem is not with the West, the problem is with the Islamic threat to it.
3. A little insight about how Islam actually became an Empire, because some of the talks before didn’t hit this subject hard enough I think. I’ll be short only because I don’t want to line out the details without references in front of me. (I’d rather not say anything on it than say something I’m not sure about.) So if it seems like some detail is missing, I will rely on the reader to research that part unless I get some more time and decide to make an edit:
As far as the Christian world is concerned there was West and East Rome, West Rome, known as France I believe by this point in history, Spain, Italy and so on had pretty much two enemies, the Barbarians of the north east and the Eastern Greek Christians or the Byzantium. The Byzantium were fighting their Christian counter parts to the west, holding off Barbarians to the north East and Persians to the south east. Do not confuse the Byzantium’s depravity to the level of the Western Christians, the Byzantium was a thriving kingdom, the proof of this could be found in how they could protect their borders. By mid AD though the Crusaders had managed to reach the city on Constantinople (Istanbul) and wiped out about 40% of it’s population. Now note Constantinople was a Christian city and add that to memory for when Muslim apologists say crusaders were Muslim hunters and allude to or directly say the west should pay for that or try to use it in some way as a reason to justify Islamic Imperialism. Also remember the declining country of Thailand and why its in decline and it‘s lack of relation with the west by directly publicized doctrine or policy of Islam from a Muslim source written or orated. The only rational conclusion must be that Islam just has a problem with everyone else. What I am saying is that that problem is enforced by the Hadiths and Sharia but put there by the Qur’an.
Also after the massive attack on Constantinople Mohammedan Muslims kept trying to break the Byzantium down, it took some years but constant Marauder raids of its borders wore the thin armies of the East Christians thinner and eventually the Northern Arab Barbarians teamed up with the southern Arabs surrounding Constantinople in essence blocking it off from all sides, the city was raped by Mehmet II, I won’t go into the disgusting details but know that the Muslims would never apologize for any of those thing’s to the Christian world only because Christians are less than cattle and Allah has told them that.
I won’t bore any readers any further just pointing out that the problem isn’t with Democracy it’s with the Islamic threat to Democracy and Enlightenment.
Personally I enjoy indoor plumbing anywhere I go and don’t want to return to an age of praying five times a day toward a damn rock.
