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Zlejedi said:

That's ok but what will do when Islamic Republic of France starts executing homos under traditional islamic law in 2040 or 2050 ?

Oh my, Poland really is Europe's Texas. I'm also prety sure you homophobic Polish Christians would execute gays (you even used a derogatory term you jerk ), if it wouldn't make you look bad in front of the EU.



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buglebum said:

Only read OP to be fair.

 

But it's startlingly obvious that the whole post is flawed because christianity of TODAY doesn't do any of those things, and hasn't done for hundreds of years and it doesn't look likely it ever will again.

 

Islam on the other hand...*ahem*.

 

Even in the OP its obvious my intent is not to say both are identical NOW. But to say that Islam has not always been this way and at one time they were in opposite roles of today.

My goal is to demonstrate that instead of attacking Islam as a religion (vs other religions) and trying to prove extremist views thus promoting those that commit atrocities, people should be proving Islam's real teachings using its own history as evidence.



ProdigyBam said:
Chairman-Mao said:

More people were killed last year in Muslim terrorist attacks than the entire Spanish Inquisition. Your OP is a failed attempt to make Christianity sound as violent as Islam.

Now of course Christians have killed people in the past but not at the rate Muslims kill people today. And the fact that Muslims are doing these attacks in the modern day is really bad. I can't even think of the last time there was a Christian terrorist attack. 

Oh and if anyone says Hitler was Christian they are wrong. Hitler hated all religions including Christianity. He was basically an atheist. 


No, he was a veeeery religious guy, he just hated christianity (wanted to ban it after the war) and he didnt hate every religion, he had a favourable view of islam.

"Wenn wir Mohammedaner geworden wären, würden wir heute die Welt besitzen." Thats what Adolf Hitler said, in english its something like: "If we had become muslims, we would reign/own the world"


Really? I've never heard that. 



Chairman-Mao said:
ProdigyBam said:
Chairman-Mao said:

More people were killed last year in Muslim terrorist attacks than the entire Spanish Inquisition. Your OP is a failed attempt to make Christianity sound as violent as Islam.

Now of course Christians have killed people in the past but not at the rate Muslims kill people today. And the fact that Muslims are doing these attacks in the modern day is really bad. I can't even think of the last time there was a Christian terrorist attack. 

Oh and if anyone says Hitler was Christian they are wrong. Hitler hated all religions including Christianity. He was basically an atheist. 


No, he was a veeeery religious guy, he just hated christianity (wanted to ban it after the war) and he didnt hate every religion, he had a favourable view of islam.

"Wenn wir Mohammedaner geworden wären, würden wir heute die Welt besitzen." Thats what Adolf Hitler said, in english its something like: "If we had become muslims, we would reign/own the world"


Really? I've never heard that. 

It's probable, since there were muslim SS brigades. However he was probably lamenting about the lack of determination of his own nation, so it would be better translated as "If we were as determined as muslims, we would own the world".



Booh! said:
Chairman-Mao said:
ProdigyBam said:
Chairman-Mao said:

More people were killed last year in Muslim terrorist attacks than the entire Spanish Inquisition. Your OP is a failed attempt to make Christianity sound as violent as Islam.

Now of course Christians have killed people in the past but not at the rate Muslims kill people today. And the fact that Muslims are doing these attacks in the modern day is really bad. I can't even think of the last time there was a Christian terrorist attack. 

Oh and if anyone says Hitler was Christian they are wrong. Hitler hated all religions including Christianity. He was basically an atheist. 


No, he was a veeeery religious guy, he just hated christianity (wanted to ban it after the war) and he didnt hate every religion, he had a favourable view of islam.

"Wenn wir Mohammedaner geworden wären, würden wir heute die Welt besitzen." Thats what Adolf Hitler said, in english its something like: "If we had become muslims, we would reign/own the world"


Really? I've never heard that. 

It's probable, since there were muslim SS brigades. However he was probably lamenting about the lack of determination of his own nation, so it would be better translated as "If we were as determined as muslims, we would own the world".

Good point. That's very interesting.



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sapphi_snake said:
ProdigyBam said:
sapphi_snake said:
ProdigyBam said:

Sure mate, Christians are the most persecuted religious group in the world especially in muslim countries because ALL muslims in muslim countries (where muslims have the mist power) dont know the teachings of their book/ sarcasm off

you make me SICK, really

 

EDIT:

I will stop here, it doesnt make sense, everyone who wants to know the truth about both religions should read the bible and the quran (and the hadiths) and compare them, everyone else, wait 20-40 years and you will hate yourself because you havent informed yourselves in the first place.

im off, cya everyone

LOL. I'm pretty sure Atheists are way more persecuted than Christians.


Since when are Atheists/Agnostics a religious group, and yeah, the only countries there are persecuted are muslim dominated countries, and if you say USA now, you have no idea of persecuation and how much violence and suffering christians are going trough in communist and atheistic countries like northkorea.

Atheists/agnostics are a considered a religious group, as their beleifs are a stance regardign religion.

I'm pretty most North Korean citizens are persecuted by the North Korean Goverment, regardless of any religious beliefs they might hold. It's the same for all Communist countries, so they're not a very good example. And how are atheists treated in muslim countries? Do you think the Muslims who persecute Christians over there have much love for atheists?

The US is also a good example of the persecution of atheists in Western nations. Statistics show that atheists are the least liked and trusted group by Ameircans. Despite the bad rep muslims have been getting, Americans still like them more than they like atheists. Atheists also face discrimination regarding employment and there are actually 7 states in the US where atheists are not allowed to hold public office or testify in court!!! And this is the negative treatment atheists get in Western nations. Don't even want to think about what's done to them in countries like Iran.


NEVER said that, but you cant be atheist in muslim countries, because when you arent a jew or christian you are seen as a muslim, but if they realize that you dont believe in allah or in some sort of god, yes, then its much worse for them than for christians or jews (people of the book)

yeah, but you wont be killed and persecuted (dont get a good job, have to pay extra taxes and so on) in western countries, just because youre atheist, but thats only the case in a few countries, the thing is christians DO get killed in atheist/communis and muslim countries, while atheists are only that hard (or even worse) persecuted in muslim countries, thats what I wanted to say, more than 70% of people who get punished in the world because of their belief (or disbelief) are christians, and thats not made up the data is from the pew research center and other sources think its more likely 80-90%



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Chairman-Mao said:
Booh! said:
Chairman-Mao said:
ProdigyBam said:
Chairman-Mao said:

More people were killed last year in Muslim terrorist attacks than the entire Spanish Inquisition. Your OP is a failed attempt to make Christianity sound as violent as Islam.

Now of course Christians have killed people in the past but not at the rate Muslims kill people today. And the fact that Muslims are doing these attacks in the modern day is really bad. I can't even think of the last time there was a Christian terrorist attack. 

Oh and if anyone says Hitler was Christian they are wrong. Hitler hated all religions including Christianity. He was basically an atheist. 


No, he was a veeeery religious guy, he just hated christianity (wanted to ban it after the war) and he didnt hate every religion, he had a favourable view of islam.

"Wenn wir Mohammedaner geworden wären, würden wir heute die Welt besitzen." Thats what Adolf Hitler said, in english its something like: "If we had become muslims, we would reign/own the world"


Really? I've never heard that. 

It's probable, since there were muslim SS brigades. However he was probably lamenting about the lack of determination of his own nation, so it would be better translated as "If we were as determined as muslims, we would own the world".

Good point. That's very interesting.


He said, if we HAD BECOME muslims (mohammedans) we would own the world, because muslim hate/hated jews much more than most germans and therefore, they are more passionate to kill them (he said/meant that not me)



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Mr Khan said:
Chairman-Mao said:

More people were killed last year in Muslim terrorist attacks than the entire Spanish Inquisition. Your OP is a failed attempt to make Christianity sound as violent as Islam.

Now of course Christians have killed people in the past but not at the rate Muslims kill people today. And the fact that Muslims are doing these attacks in the modern day is really bad. I can't even think of the last time there was a Christian terrorist attack. 

Oh and if anyone says Hitler was Christian they are wrong. Hitler hated all religions including Christianity. He was basically an atheist. 

The murder of George Tiller, abortion doctor. And as i pointed out previously, the Ugandan Lord's Resistance Army


I can say it HUNDRED times and you wont understand it, huh?

when so called christians are killing someone its not the fault of christianity because they do what is AGAINST the bible, killing someone even your enemys is one of the biggest sins in the bible

but if so called ISLAMISTS kill other people in terrorist acts they act like real muslims because the quran want them to do such things, thats the f***ing difference



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sapphi_snake said:
ProdigyBam said:


Mhm, yeah sure, i live in Germany (munich) and while my family has lots of money and the country has a great economic status, it wont last for long time, thanks to muslim immigration and higher birthrates among muslims (who are more unemployed than germans and are more criminal according to polls and studies)

Give this country 10 or 20 more years and it will be completely fucked up

Well, what do you expect from people that come from third world countries? Their religion has nothing to do with that. Mexicans immigrants are mainly Christians, yet they too bring down the US, for the same reasons muslim immigrants bring down Western European nations (they're poor and uneducated).

The difference between mexicans in the united states and immigrants from muslim countries in europe is, america doesnt pay them money (lthey do here in germany, when you dont have a job and even if youre not german), they dont pay the language course, they dont educate them and so on

and here in germany no vietnamese, no serbian, no italian, no polish immigrants are causing as much trouble as muslim immigrants altough both groups get the exact same paid/offered by the politics

or have you ever head of spanish people who kidnapp english girls and force them to prostitute themself or to get raped by spanish guys in the whole country?

no, it have been pakistan immigrants, and thats just one example, just ask native people out of every westeuropean country and 7 or 8 out of 10 will say that its the turks in germany, the arabs in netherlands, the pakistanis in england, the black people from mostly muslim countries in france and so on

what a surprise, huh?

 

and yeah, my english isnt so good, so just ask if youdont understand something i said :D



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Mr Khan said:
Chairman-Mao said:

More people were killed last year in Muslim terrorist attacks than the entire Spanish Inquisition. Your OP is a failed attempt to make Christianity sound as violent as Islam.

Now of course Christians have killed people in the past but not at the rate Muslims kill people today. And the fact that Muslims are doing these attacks in the modern day is really bad. I can't even think of the last time there was a Christian terrorist attack. 

Oh and if anyone says Hitler was Christian they are wrong. Hitler hated all religions including Christianity. He was basically an atheist. 

The murder of George Tiller, abortion doctor. And as i pointed out previously, the Ugandan Lord's Resistance Army

Don't use an abortion doctor as an example. By US law murder is met often by the death penalty. While I don't agree with killing people because they sinned (Its not our place to kill anyone) by American standards his death is perfectly justifiable.

I watched this case about a man who did not want a kid, his girlfriend was pregnant and did not want an abortion. So one day early in her pregnancy he kneed her in the stomach killing the fetus. The fetus died and guess what the US Courts decided he was guilty of 2nd degree murder.

So how come is it murder if a guy kills his unborn baby but perfectly legal for a abortion doctor to do so? Some have argued that its the womens right to choose and because he wasn't the mom he had no right to kill the baby. But if thats the case why is it okay for a women to murder her baby but not the boyfriend/husband. How can it be murder one way but not murder the other way?

I gotta say murdering a murderer by American law is justifiable. As a Canadian I agree with my Governments stance that the death penalty is never justified. However in America the death penalty is legal.

As for the Ugandan Lords Resistance Army, it is not Christian in many if any ways. The group rapes and pillages and murders civilians. That is hardly Christian. As I said before the New Testiment can not be taken out of context to justiy murder of any innocent civilians. Rape is very clearly not okay by the Bible. Its not like Islam where the terrorist groups are simply taking the Qur'an out of context and using it to control Muslim people.

The Bible does preach that if someone is about to do harm to someone else and you have the power to intervene and stop the situation from happening and do not do so. Then you are as bad as the person doing the act.

So that can be used to justify war. But even that doesn't justify killing civilians. It means that if you can stop something and don't your as guilty as the person doing it. That can't possibly be taken out of context to justify something horrible.



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