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fordy said:
LivingMetal said:

If you haven't found it already (fight for gaming), then you might as well stop wasting your efforts.  It's very clear.  I'm not going to answer anyone's questions their way.  I tell it like it is.


Then I suggest that you stop this support of a court case that Sony will lose either way (What are they going to do? Make money off of him?) and fight towards getting Sony to secure their link between client PS3s and the gaming servers.


Nah, they have a chance to win... and if they win and they also win the Open OS lawsuit they will have won the right to do anything including download software in your PS3 to brick your PS3 as soon as your warranty is up... and it you try and alter the firmware to remove this autobricking feature, you could be sued. 

So it could be a powerful 1-2 punch that basically allows them to disable PS3's as soon as they stop selling them for a year.. or if they wanted too, after remodeling the PS3, disabling all PS3's that the hack worked for... whether or not they've downloaded the hack or not.



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Kasz216 said:
fordy said:
LivingMetal said:

If you haven't found it already (fight for gaming), then you might as well stop wasting your efforts.  It's very clear.  I'm not going to answer anyone's questions their way.  I tell it like it is.


Then I suggest that you stop this support of a court case that Sony will lose either way (What are they going to do? Make money off of him?) and fight towards getting Sony to secure their link between client PS3s and the gaming servers.


Nah, they have a chance to win... and if they win and they also win the Open OS lawsuit they will have won the right to do anything including download software in your PS3 to brick your PS3 as soon as your warranty is up... and it you try and alter the firmware to remove this autobricking feature, you could be sued. 

So it could be a powerful 1-2 punch that basically allows them to disable PS3's as soon as they stop selling them for a year.. or if they wanted too, after remodeling the PS3, disabling all PS3's that the hack worked for... whether or not they've downloaded the hack or not.

That is Sony's ultimate goal: Complete control over everything that you purchase. Heck, people only need look at the DRM rootkit fiasco to see Sony's true intentions with handling media.

But still, I believe this will be a losing battle for them, since others have shown that control over online hacking/cheating can be maintained at a server level, where it should be. Sony just wants to take the cheap way out of it.



fordy said:
Kasz216 said:
fordy said:
LivingMetal said:

If you haven't found it already (fight for gaming), then you might as well stop wasting your efforts.  It's very clear.  I'm not going to answer anyone's questions their way.  I tell it like it is.


Then I suggest that you stop this support of a court case that Sony will lose either way (What are they going to do? Make money off of him?) and fight towards getting Sony to secure their link between client PS3s and the gaming servers.


Nah, they have a chance to win... and if they win and they also win the Open OS lawsuit they will have won the right to do anything including download software in your PS3 to brick your PS3 as soon as your warranty is up... and it you try and alter the firmware to remove this autobricking feature, you could be sued. 

So it could be a powerful 1-2 punch that basically allows them to disable PS3's as soon as they stop selling them for a year.. or if they wanted too, after remodeling the PS3, disabling all PS3's that the hack worked for... whether or not they've downloaded the hack or not.

That is Sony's ultimate goal: Complete control over everything that you purchase. Heck, people only need look at the DRM rootkit fiasco to see Sony's true intentions with handling media.

But still, I believe this will be a losing battle for them, since others have shown that control over online hacking/cheating can be maintained at a server level, where it should be. Sony just wants to take the cheap way out of it.

Well they aren't sueing Geohot for that though.

They aren't even pretending that's why they are sueing him.

It's not even mentioned in their lawsuit.  That's just Livingmetal's self rationalization for why he supports the lawsuit.   Pardon another "deflecting analogy" but it would be like puttng someone in jail for some archaic law about kicking a can 12 times in a row while wearing a hat, but you are happy because that person is also a spousal abuser.  Or since what Livingmetal is mad about isn't illegal or Geohots fault...   I guess it'd be more like someone getting thrown in jail for tax evasion... and your happy soley because they are for abortion rights.

They are sueing him for jailbreaking his console for his own use... and for showing people how he did it... and that other people then used that info to create further hacks that allow people to pirate.

Much like the recent Iphone lawsuit... caused by him actually I think, he was the same guy that Jailbroke that right?



Kasz216 said:
fordy said:
Kasz216 said:
fordy said:
LivingMetal said:

If you haven't found it already (fight for gaming), then you might as well stop wasting your efforts.  It's very clear.  I'm not going to answer anyone's questions their way.  I tell it like it is.


Then I suggest that you stop this support of a court case that Sony will lose either way (What are they going to do? Make money off of him?) and fight towards getting Sony to secure their link between client PS3s and the gaming servers.


Nah, they have a chance to win... and if they win and they also win the Open OS lawsuit they will have won the right to do anything including download software in your PS3 to brick your PS3 as soon as your warranty is up... and it you try and alter the firmware to remove this autobricking feature, you could be sued. 

So it could be a powerful 1-2 punch that basically allows them to disable PS3's as soon as they stop selling them for a year.. or if they wanted too, after remodeling the PS3, disabling all PS3's that the hack worked for... whether or not they've downloaded the hack or not.

That is Sony's ultimate goal: Complete control over everything that you purchase. Heck, people only need look at the DRM rootkit fiasco to see Sony's true intentions with handling media.

But still, I believe this will be a losing battle for them, since others have shown that control over online hacking/cheating can be maintained at a server level, where it should be. Sony just wants to take the cheap way out of it.

Well they aren't sueing Geohot for that though.

They aren't even pretending that's why they are sueing him.

It's not even mentioned in their lawsuit.  That's just Livingmetal's self rationalization for why he supports the lawsuit.   Pardon another "deflecting analogy" but it would be like puttng someone in jail for some archaic law about kicking a can 12 times in a row while wearing a hat, but you are happy because that person is also a spousal abuser.

They are sueing him for jailbreaking his console for his own use... and for showing people how he did it... and that other people then used that info to create further hacks that allow people to pirate.

Key word there. It ALLOWS them to pirate...

It can equip a user to become a pirate or cheater, just as gun holders are equipped to become murderers, or (in a bash.org quote), women are equipped to become prostitues.

Does that mean all users of the hack will become pirates, or cheaters? Of course not. So why take it out on those to justify the means of the small percentage who do. 



fordy said:
Kasz216 said:
fordy said:
Kasz216 said:
fordy said:
LivingMetal said:

If you haven't found it already (fight for gaming), then you might as well stop wasting your efforts.  It's very clear.  I'm not going to answer anyone's questions their way.  I tell it like it is.


Then I suggest that you stop this support of a court case that Sony will lose either way (What are they going to do? Make money off of him?) and fight towards getting Sony to secure their link between client PS3s and the gaming servers.


Nah, they have a chance to win... and if they win and they also win the Open OS lawsuit they will have won the right to do anything including download software in your PS3 to brick your PS3 as soon as your warranty is up... and it you try and alter the firmware to remove this autobricking feature, you could be sued. 

So it could be a powerful 1-2 punch that basically allows them to disable PS3's as soon as they stop selling them for a year.. or if they wanted too, after remodeling the PS3, disabling all PS3's that the hack worked for... whether or not they've downloaded the hack or not.

That is Sony's ultimate goal: Complete control over everything that you purchase. Heck, people only need look at the DRM rootkit fiasco to see Sony's true intentions with handling media.

But still, I believe this will be a losing battle for them, since others have shown that control over online hacking/cheating can be maintained at a server level, where it should be. Sony just wants to take the cheap way out of it.

Well they aren't sueing Geohot for that though.

They aren't even pretending that's why they are sueing him.

It's not even mentioned in their lawsuit.  That's just Livingmetal's self rationalization for why he supports the lawsuit.   Pardon another "deflecting analogy" but it would be like puttng someone in jail for some archaic law about kicking a can 12 times in a row while wearing a hat, but you are happy because that person is also a spousal abuser.

They are sueing him for jailbreaking his console for his own use... and for showing people how he did it... and that other people then used that info to create further hacks that allow people to pirate.

Key word there. It ALLOWS them to pirate...

It can equip a user to become a pirate or cheater, just as gun holders are equipped to become murderers, or (in a bash.org quote), women are equipped to become prostitues.

Does that mean all users of the hack will become pirates, or cheaters? Of course not. So why take it out on those to justify the means of the small percentage who do. 


I agree, but court rulings can be quite sporadic, illogical and random when it comes to copyright infringement.   I mean, look at the most recent Iphone lawsuit ruling.

It's legal to Jailbreak your Iphone, but it's Illegal for someone else to Jailbreak your Iphone.

What logical sense does that make?

That's like saying it's legal to paint your house, but illegal for a friend to paint your house?

"You have a right to modify your firmware so you can use legal free aplications, but only if you can do it.  If your not tech savy enough, you can't have your nephew jailbreak your Iphone for you."

 

It's an obvious attempt to prevent the masses from getting jailbreaked phones while trying to please enough "tech savy" people so they don't push the issue so phone systems don't become truly open systems with advertising to allow you to access free apps that people offer for free that compete with the app store apps.  Or even just undercut them by allowing similair but different (doesn't use any pirated code) apps for cheap.

Cause who's going to pay for Apple's GPS program if someone is offering a free version they made themselves?



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Kasz216 said:

I agree, but court rulings can be quite sporadic, illogical and random when it comes to copyright infringement.   I mean, look at the most recent Iphone lawsuit ruling.

It's legal to Jailbreak your Iphone, but it's Illegal for someone else to Jailbreak your Iphone.

What logical sense does that make?

That's like saying it's legal to paint your house, but illegal for a friend to paint your house?

"You have a right to modify your firmware so you can use legal free aplications, but only if you can do it.  If your not tech savy enough, you can't have your nephew jailbreak your Iphone for you."

My guess is, they want people the freedom to do this, but don't want to create any businesses that profit from it, but yeah in the sense of friends who may be a little more tech-savvy doing it for you, that needs to be an exception.



fordy said:
Kasz216 said:

I agree, but court rulings can be quite sporadic, illogical and random when it comes to copyright infringement.   I mean, look at the most recent Iphone lawsuit ruling.

It's legal to Jailbreak your Iphone, but it's Illegal for someone else to Jailbreak your Iphone.

What logical sense does that make?

That's like saying it's legal to paint your house, but illegal for a friend to paint your house?

"You have a right to modify your firmware so you can use legal free aplications, but only if you can do it.  If your not tech savy enough, you can't have your nephew jailbreak your Iphone for you."

My guess is, they want people the freedom to do this, but don't want to create any businesses that profit from it, but yeah in the sense of friends who may be a little more tech-savvy doing it for you, that needs to be an exception.

If that was the case they could of just ruled that "It can't by someone else for profit."  Which is generally how Fair Use works anwyay.



fordy said:
Esquoret said:

 The creators have the say, and the least we can do is respect that. So if anyone doesn't like the PS3 and its values, you're better off donating/supporting a company that makes products to your liking and values, rather than giving to a dead end cause as is the case with Geohot.

And what happens in an endgame case when ALL companies that offer products force you to play by their rules? This is what the current case will decide.

Then  ull be very successful if u start a  company with a product where consumers like your rules.



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cyberninja45 said:
fordy said:
Esquoret said:

 The creators have the say, and the least we can do is respect that. So if anyone doesn't like the PS3 and its values, you're better off donating/supporting a company that makes products to your liking and values, rather than giving to a dead end cause as is the case with Geohot.

And what happens in an endgame case when ALL companies that offer products force you to play by their rules? This is what the current case will decide.

Then  ull be very successful if u start a  company with a product where consumers like your rules.

And how long do you think that would last against the like (and cashflow) of Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo?

They'd swallow a small company up quicker than Standard Oil swallowed up it's competitors back in the 1800s