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M.U.G.E.N said:

just 13 more pages guyz :D 50 is within our reach now!!!!


13(plus)15=28 silly



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SqueakySamurai said:
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
voty2000 said:
LivingMetal said:

You guys just need to stop making excuses and just see the truth of geohot being a malicious enabler.  Legality, common sense, and his personal actions point towards this.  It's just sad some of you would trade the love of gaming for a vendeta against Sony.  Your loss of character, not mine.


Just listen to the arguments.  It's about consumer rights to use their devices how they want.  Few if anyone are defending piracy, which is illegal.  The majority are defending their right to do what they want with what they bought.  I have no vendeta against Sony because I'm not retarded enough to pledge loyalty to any multi-national gaming company that could care less about me, only my money.  You're the one with loss of character for taking a stance for a corporation that wants to take away consumer rights.  Fight the pirates, not the modders.  It's a simple concept. 


I want an online experience as flawless as possible for my gaming enjoyment.  That's how I want to use my device.  Why are you denying me that by allowing and promoting enablers to allow others to prevent that?  It's a simple concept.  Just listen to reason.  Fighting just the pirates and not the modders is just like saying arrest the drug users and not the pushers.

No....

it's more like saying... just punish the murderers... and not the people who produce the guns they use.


Wrong.  If you know someone will murder someone if you give him a hammer, you will not give him that hammer.  Otherwise, you are as responsible (an accomplice at the very least).  The truth that has been pointed out over and over again which has been denied by everyone unreasonable is that we all know that what geohot released WILL be abused.  AND he PROVED his malicious intent by the release and content of that rap video.  Keep lying to yourself.  You guys aren't gamers.

If you give someone a hammer and then they murder someone with it.  You aren't guilty of any crimes... even if you think someone will murder someone with it.

Afterall gun manufacturers KNOW people will be shot illegally with their guns.


Again:

"The truth that has been pointed out over and over again which has been denied by everyone unreasonable is that we all know that what geohot released WILL be abused.  AND he PROVED his malicious intent by the release and content of that rap video.  Keep lying to yourself.  You guys aren't gamers."


Again.

People who manufactuer guns KNOW that they will be abused and that people will be murdered.

Who's lieing to themselves here?

No they don't. Murder is something rarely anyone will do, it's something that will ruin your life forever and 99% chance you will get caught. You're saying this as if everyone murders. And you're not even proving why you are right, you're just trying to prove the whole murder thing.

No, gun manufacturers know people will murder with their guns.  There are more then enough murderers to go around.

Heck, gun manufcaturers specifically sell certain kinds of rifles knowing they will be turned into illega fully automatic rifles, and specifically construct them so they are easy to mod into automatics even though they could just as eaisly make it impossible to mod into it.

Then they let people sell "Mod kits" to mod them into assault rifles.  That give you all the tools and instructions to do it.

And that shit isn't illegal... and that's a product made SPECIFICALLY to do something illegal with no intent other then the illegal thing.



Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
voty2000 said:
LivingMetal said:

You guys just need to stop making excuses and just see the truth of geohot being a malicious enabler.  Legality, common sense, and his personal actions point towards this.  It's just sad some of you would trade the love of gaming for a vendeta against Sony.  Your loss of character, not mine.


Just listen to the arguments.  It's about consumer rights to use their devices how they want.  Few if anyone are defending piracy, which is illegal.  The majority are defending their right to do what they want with what they bought.  I have no vendeta against Sony because I'm not retarded enough to pledge loyalty to any multi-national gaming company that could care less about me, only my money.  You're the one with loss of character for taking a stance for a corporation that wants to take away consumer rights.  Fight the pirates, not the modders.  It's a simple concept. 


I want an online experience as flawless as possible for my gaming enjoyment.  That's how I want to use my device.  Why are you denying me that by allowing and promoting enablers to allow others to prevent that?  It's a simple concept.  Just listen to reason.  Fighting just the pirates and not the modders is just like saying arrest the drug users and not the pushers.

No....

it's more like saying... just punish the murderers... and not the people who produce the guns they use.


Wrong.  If you know someone will murder someone if you give him a hammer, you will not give him that hammer.  Otherwise, you are as responsible (an accomplice at the very least).  The truth that has been pointed out over and over again which has been denied by everyone unreasonable is that we all know that what geohot released WILL be abused.  AND he PROVED his malicious intent by the release and content of that rap video.  Keep lying to yourself.  You guys aren't gamers.

If you give someone a hammer and then they murder someone with it.  You aren't guilty of any crimes... even if you think someone will murder someone with it.

Afterall gun manufacturers KNOW people will be shot illegally with their guns.


Again:

"The truth that has been pointed out over and over again which has been denied by everyone unreasonable is that we all know that what geohot released WILL be abused.  AND he PROVED his malicious intent by the release and content of that rap video.  Keep lying to yourself.  You guys aren't gamers."


Again.

People who manufactuer guns KNOW that they will be abused and that people will be murdered.

Who's lieing to themselves here?  Your analogy is broken and disproven yet you keep pretending it works.

The only person lieing to themselves is you, because you think you are right with the point when it's eaisly disproven and you've got no leg to stand on by way of your own analogy.

 

Some people hand out hammers to fix things.  Some people hand out hammers to hurt others.  Some people mod consoles to do things they want at no expense to others.  Some people mod consoles to cheat and make the gaming experience worst for everyone else.  And it's about the intent, not the action.  So, no.  My analogy is NOT broken.  But when someone such as yourself cannot successfully argue the point at hand (geohot being in the wrong), a common tactic is to divert attention from the real point such as focusing on an analogy (which is what you are attempting to do.)  So focus on this:

"The truth that has been pointed out over and over again which has been denied by everyone unreasonable is that we all know that what geohot released WILL be abused.  AND he PROVED his malicious intent by the release and content of that rap video.  Keep lying to yourself.  You guys aren't gamers."

You cannot deny that Geohot released sensitive info.

You cannot deny that it will be abused.

You cannot deny that Geohot proved his malicious intent from the rapping video he released.

Geohot is in the wrong.  Stop lying to yourself, and start promoting gaming.



LivingMetal said:
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
voty2000 said:
LivingMetal said:

You guys just need to stop making excuses and just see the truth of geohot being a malicious enabler.  Legality, common sense, and his personal actions point towards this.  It's just sad some of you would trade the love of gaming for a vendeta against Sony.  Your loss of character, not mine.


Just listen to the arguments.  It's about consumer rights to use their devices how they want.  Few if anyone are defending piracy, which is illegal.  The majority are defending their right to do what they want with what they bought.  I have no vendeta against Sony because I'm not retarded enough to pledge loyalty to any multi-national gaming company that could care less about me, only my money.  You're the one with loss of character for taking a stance for a corporation that wants to take away consumer rights.  Fight the pirates, not the modders.  It's a simple concept. 


I want an online experience as flawless as possible for my gaming enjoyment.  That's how I want to use my device.  Why are you denying me that by allowing and promoting enablers to allow others to prevent that?  It's a simple concept.  Just listen to reason.  Fighting just the pirates and not the modders is just like saying arrest the drug users and not the pushers.

No....

it's more like saying... just punish the murderers... and not the people who produce the guns they use.


Wrong.  If you know someone will murder someone if you give him a hammer, you will not give him that hammer.  Otherwise, you are as responsible (an accomplice at the very least).  The truth that has been pointed out over and over again which has been denied by everyone unreasonable is that we all know that what geohot released WILL be abused.  AND he PROVED his malicious intent by the release and content of that rap video.  Keep lying to yourself.  You guys aren't gamers.

If you give someone a hammer and then they murder someone with it.  You aren't guilty of any crimes... even if you think someone will murder someone with it.

Afterall gun manufacturers KNOW people will be shot illegally with their guns.


Again:

"The truth that has been pointed out over and over again which has been denied by everyone unreasonable is that we all know that what geohot released WILL be abused.  AND he PROVED his malicious intent by the release and content of that rap video.  Keep lying to yourself.  You guys aren't gamers."


Again.

People who manufactuer guns KNOW that they will be abused and that people will be murdered.

Who's lieing to themselves here?  Your analogy is broken and disproven yet you keep pretending it works.

The only person lieing to themselves is you, because you think you are right with the point when it's eaisly disproven and you've got no leg to stand on by way of your own analogy.

 

Some people hand out hammers to fix things.  Some people hand out hammers to hurt others.  Some people mod consoles to do things they want at no expense to others.  Some people mod consoles to cheat and make the gaming experience worst for everyone else.  And it's about the intent, not the action.  So, no.  My analogy is NOT broken.  But when someone such as yourself cannot successfully argue the point at hand (geohot being in the wrong), a common tactic is to divert attention from the real point such as focusing on an analogy (which is what you are attempting to do.)  So focus on this:

"The truth that has been pointed out over and over again which has been denied by everyone unreasonable is that we all know that what geohot released WILL be abused.  AND he PROVED his malicious intent by the release and content of that rap video.  Keep lying to yourself.  You guys aren't gamers."

You sannot deny that Geohot released sensitive info.

You cannot deny that it will be abused.

You cannot deny that Geohot proved his malicious intent from the rapping video he released.

Geohot is in the wrong.  Stop lying to yourself, and start promoting gaming.

This, so much this.



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fordy said:
LivingMetal said:


Again:

"The truth that has been pointed out over and over again which has been denied by everyone unreasonable is that we all know that what geohot released WILL be abused.  AND he PROVED his malicious intent by the release and content of that rap video.  Keep lying to yourself.  You guys aren't gamers."

Yet you're supporting Sony wasting their money on a case just to prove a point, when that money could be going towards PROPER protection devices for the online community?

It's blatantly ignorant to think that the one-trick pony of a protection system that was flawed to begin with would meet the needs of PS3 security this entire time. They need to cut their losses and work to prevent even more damage being done.


I'm not supporting Sony.  I'm supporting the enjoyment of gaming.



dsister said:
M.U.G.E.N said:

just 13 more pages guyz :D 50 is within our reach now!!!!


13(plus)15=28 silly


I'm confused now :S lol



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LivingMetal said:
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
voty2000 said:
LivingMetal said:

You guys just need to stop making excuses and just see the truth of geohot being a malicious enabler.  Legality, common sense, and his personal actions point towards this.  It's just sad some of you would trade the love of gaming for a vendeta against Sony.  Your loss of character, not mine.


Just listen to the arguments.  It's about consumer rights to use their devices how they want.  Few if anyone are defending piracy, which is illegal.  The majority are defending their right to do what they want with what they bought.  I have no vendeta against Sony because I'm not retarded enough to pledge loyalty to any multi-national gaming company that could care less about me, only my money.  You're the one with loss of character for taking a stance for a corporation that wants to take away consumer rights.  Fight the pirates, not the modders.  It's a simple concept. 


I want an online experience as flawless as possible for my gaming enjoyment.  That's how I want to use my device.  Why are you denying me that by allowing and promoting enablers to allow others to prevent that?  It's a simple concept.  Just listen to reason.  Fighting just the pirates and not the modders is just like saying arrest the drug users and not the pushers.

No....

it's more like saying... just punish the murderers... and not the people who produce the guns they use.


Wrong.  If you know someone will murder someone if you give him a hammer, you will not give him that hammer.  Otherwise, you are as responsible (an accomplice at the very least).  The truth that has been pointed out over and over again which has been denied by everyone unreasonable is that we all know that what geohot released WILL be abused.  AND he PROVED his malicious intent by the release and content of that rap video.  Keep lying to yourself.  You guys aren't gamers.

If you give someone a hammer and then they murder someone with it.  You aren't guilty of any crimes... even if you think someone will murder someone with it.

Afterall gun manufacturers KNOW people will be shot illegally with their guns.


Again:

"The truth that has been pointed out over and over again which has been denied by everyone unreasonable is that we all know that what geohot released WILL be abused.  AND he PROVED his malicious intent by the release and content of that rap video.  Keep lying to yourself.  You guys aren't gamers."


Again.

People who manufactuer guns KNOW that they will be abused and that people will be murdered.

Who's lieing to themselves here?  Your analogy is broken and disproven yet you keep pretending it works.

The only person lieing to themselves is you, because you think you are right with the point when it's eaisly disproven and you've got no leg to stand on by way of your own analogy.

 

Some people hand out hammers to fix things.  Some people hand out hammers to hurt others.  Some people mod console to thing they want at no expense to others.  Some people mod consoles to cheat and make the gaming experience worst for everyone else.  And it's about the intent, not the action.  So, no.  My analogy is NOT broken.  But when someone such as yourself cannot successfully argue the point at hand (geohot being in the wrong), a common tactic is to divert attention from the real point such as focusing on an analogy (which is what you are attempting to do.)  So focus on this:

"The truth that has been pointed out over and over again which has been denied by everyone unreasonable is that we all know that what geohot released WILL be abused.  AND he PROVED his malicious intent by the release and content of that rap video.  Keep lying to yourself.  You guys aren't gamers."

You sannot deny that Geohot released sensitive info.

You cannot deny that it will be abused.

You cannot deny that Geohot proved his malicious intent from the rapping video he released.

Geohot is in the wrong.  Stop lying to yourself, and start promoting gaming.

Er, intent does not matter.  Someone could put out a gun add that says "Hey buy this gun to kill your wife!"

All they would be guilty of is bad taste.

Also, do you know why anaolgies exist?  They exist to generally explain things to people who are wrong, why they are wrong by putting it in a context that is easy to understand.

 

Also, the rap proved his Ill intent.... how?  From this transcript their bold where you think their is proof he did that for pirates.

Yo it’s geohot
And for those that don’t know
I’m getting sued by Sony

Let’s take this out of the courtroom and into the streets
I’m a beast, at the least, you’ll face me in the northeast
Get my ire up, light my fire
I’ll go harder than Eminem went at Mariah
Call me a liar
Pound me in the ass with no lube, chafing
You’re fucking with the dude who got the keys to your safe and
Those that can’t do bring suits
Cry to your Uncle Sam to settle disputes
Thought you’d tackle this with a little more tact
But then again fudgepackers, I don’t know Jack

I shed a tear everytime I think of Lik Sang
But shit man, they’re a corporation
And I’m a personification of freedom for all
You fill dockets, like thats a concept foreign to y’all
While lawyers muddy water and TROs stall
Out of business is jail for me
And you’re suing me civilly

Exhibit this in the courtroom
Go on, do it, I dare you

 

I... don't see ANY mention of piracy or cheating anywhere in there... so uh... what?



LivingMetal said:
fordy said:
LivingMetal said:


Again:

"The truth that has been pointed out over and over again which has been denied by everyone unreasonable is that we all know that what geohot released WILL be abused.  AND he PROVED his malicious intent by the release and content of that rap video.  Keep lying to yourself.  You guys aren't gamers."

Yet you're supporting Sony wasting their money on a case just to prove a point, when that money could be going towards PROPER protection devices for the online community?

It's blatantly ignorant to think that the one-trick pony of a protection system that was flawed to begin with would meet the needs of PS3 security this entire time. They need to cut their losses and work to prevent even more damage being done.


I'm not supporting Sony.  I'm supporting the enjoyment of gaming.

Er... then why are you argueing for Sony... instead of the side supporting the enjoyment of gaming and being able to use your gaming system how you wish?

I mean, you know 360 and PC has hackers... you know the solution for that?  Bans.  If they change ID numbers... there is still something called an "IP Ban."



LivingMetal said:
fordy said:
LivingMetal said:


Again:

"The truth that has been pointed out over and over again which has been denied by everyone unreasonable is that we all know that what geohot released WILL be abused.  AND he PROVED his malicious intent by the release and content of that rap video.  Keep lying to yourself.  You guys aren't gamers."

Yet you're supporting Sony wasting their money on a case just to prove a point, when that money could be going towards PROPER protection devices for the online community?

It's blatantly ignorant to think that the one-trick pony of a protection system that was flawed to begin with would meet the needs of PS3 security this entire time. They need to cut their losses and work to prevent even more damage being done.


I'm not supporting Sony.  I'm supporting the enjoyment of gaming.

Good, then you must be aware that the only action that Sony should be allowed to take is online through their servers, not imposing control over an individual's purchased system.