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Kasz216 on 21 February 2011
LivingMetal said:
voty2000 said:
LivingMetal said:
voty2000 said:
LivingMetal said:

You guys just need to stop making excuses and just see the truth of geohot being a malicious enabler.  Legality, common sense, and his personal actions point towards this.  It's just sad some of you would trade the love of gaming for a vendeta against Sony.  Your loss of character, not mine.


Just listen to the arguments.  It's about consumer rights to use their devices how they want.  Few if anyone are defending piracy, which is illegal.  The majority are defending their right to do what they want with what they bought.  I have no vendeta against Sony because I'm not retarded enough to pledge loyalty to any multi-national gaming company that could care less about me, only my money.  You're the one with loss of character for taking a stance for a corporation that wants to take away consumer rights.  Fight the pirates, not the modders.  It's a simple concept. 


I want an online experience as flawless as possible for my gaming enjoyment.  That's how I want to use my device.  Why are you denying me that by allowing and promoting enablers to allow others to prevent that?  It's a simple concept.  Just listen to reason.

You're willing to have less rights so you don't experience a few annoyances online.    I get what you're saying I just think it's ridiculous.

Sony will eventually find a way to ban even more people that pirate and cheat online, it jus takes time.

 

Define "less rights."  I have the right to choose any product that suits and fits my needs/wants.  So you think it's ridiculous for consumers to expect a product should do what they pay for?  I buy gaming consoles because I like gaming, I didn't buy a gaming console so I can get frustrated at cheaters who are modding software to their advantage.  In real life, I can easily not invite a person over if I know he cheats at, let's say, cards.  It's not as easy when I'm playing with people around the world online.  

Sounds like Sony needs freind codes.

Nintendo was right afterall.

Still, you are argueing a complete non-factor, nor is that why Sony is sueing.

Besides, Infinity Ward is patching COD to stop the cheaters, which was caused... largely by horrible design.



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LivingMetal on 21 February 2011
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
voty2000 said:
LivingMetal said:

You guys just need to stop making excuses and just see the truth of geohot being a malicious enabler.  Legality, common sense, and his personal actions point towards this.  It's just sad some of you would trade the love of gaming for a vendeta against Sony.  Your loss of character, not mine.


Just listen to the arguments.  It's about consumer rights to use their devices how they want.  Few if anyone are defending piracy, which is illegal.  The majority are defending their right to do what they want with what they bought.  I have no vendeta against Sony because I'm not retarded enough to pledge loyalty to any multi-national gaming company that could care less about me, only my money.  You're the one with loss of character for taking a stance for a corporation that wants to take away consumer rights.  Fight the pirates, not the modders.  It's a simple concept. 


I want an online experience as flawless as possible for my gaming enjoyment.  That's how I want to use my device.  Why are you denying me that by allowing and promoting enablers to allow others to prevent that?  It's a simple concept.  Just listen to reason.  Fighting just the pirates and not the modders is just like saying arrest the drug users and not the pushers.

No....

it's more like saying... just punish the murderers... and not the people who produce the guns they use.


Wrong.  If you know someone will murder someone if you give him a hammer, you will not give him that hammer.  Otherwise, you are as responsible (an accomplice at the very least).  The truth that has been pointed out over and over again which has been denied by everyone unreasonable is that we all know that what geohot released WILL be abused.  AND he PROVED his malicious intent by the release and content of that rap video.  Keep lying to yourself.  You guys aren't gamers.



LivingMetal on 21 February 2011
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
voty2000 said:
LivingMetal said:
voty2000 said:
LivingMetal said:

You guys just need to stop making excuses and just see the truth of geohot being a malicious enabler.  Legality, common sense, and his personal actions point towards this.  It's just sad some of you would trade the love of gaming for a vendeta against Sony.  Your loss of character, not mine.


Just listen to the arguments.  It's about consumer rights to use their devices how they want.  Few if anyone are defending piracy, which is illegal.  The majority are defending their right to do what they want with what they bought.  I have no vendeta against Sony because I'm not retarded enough to pledge loyalty to any multi-national gaming company that could care less about me, only my money.  You're the one with loss of character for taking a stance for a corporation that wants to take away consumer rights.  Fight the pirates, not the modders.  It's a simple concept. 


I want an online experience as flawless as possible for my gaming enjoyment.  That's how I want to use my device.  Why are you denying me that by allowing and promoting enablers to allow others to prevent that?  It's a simple concept.  Just listen to reason.

You're willing to have less rights so you don't experience a few annoyances online.    I get what you're saying I just think it's ridiculous.

Sony will eventually find a way to ban even more people that pirate and cheat online, it jus takes time.

 

Define "less rights."  I have the right to choose any product that suits and fits my needs/wants.  So you think it's ridiculous for consumers to expect a product should do what they pay for?  I buy gaming consoles because I like gaming, I didn't buy a gaming console so I can get frustrated at cheaters who are modding software to their advantage.  In real life, I can easily not invite a person over if I know he cheats at, let's say, cards.  It's not as easy when I'm playing with people around the world online.  

Sounds like Sony needs freind codes.

Nintendo was right afterall.

Still, you are argueing a complete non-factor, nor is that why Sony is sueing.


Doesn't matter.  Geohot is still in the wrong.



Kasz216 on 21 February 2011
LivingMetal said:
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
voty2000 said:
LivingMetal said:

You guys just need to stop making excuses and just see the truth of geohot being a malicious enabler.  Legality, common sense, and his personal actions point towards this.  It's just sad some of you would trade the love of gaming for a vendeta against Sony.  Your loss of character, not mine.


Just listen to the arguments.  It's about consumer rights to use their devices how they want.  Few if anyone are defending piracy, which is illegal.  The majority are defending their right to do what they want with what they bought.  I have no vendeta against Sony because I'm not retarded enough to pledge loyalty to any multi-national gaming company that could care less about me, only my money.  You're the one with loss of character for taking a stance for a corporation that wants to take away consumer rights.  Fight the pirates, not the modders.  It's a simple concept. 


I want an online experience as flawless as possible for my gaming enjoyment.  That's how I want to use my device.  Why are you denying me that by allowing and promoting enablers to allow others to prevent that?  It's a simple concept.  Just listen to reason.  Fighting just the pirates and not the modders is just like saying arrest the drug users and not the pushers.

No....

it's more like saying... just punish the murderers... and not the people who produce the guns they use.


Wrong.  If you know someone will murder someone if you give him a hammer, you will not give him that hammer.  Otherwise, you are as responsible (an accomplice at the very least).  The truth that has been pointed out over and over again which has been denied by everyone unreasonable is that we all know that what geohot released WILL be abused.  AND he PROVED his malicious intent by the release and content of that rap video.  Keep lying to yourself.  You guys aren't gamers.

If you give someone a hammer and then they murder someone with it.  You aren't guilty of any crimes... even if you think someone will murder someone with it.

Afterall gun manufacturers KNOW people will be shot illegally with their guns.

They still make guns.

Did he even specifically give information to someone directly who he knew would use it for illegal games?

Or are you just talking about him posting it online... which you know, he doesn't know who is going to pirate shit with it, just how gun manufactuers don't know which people will shoot other people illegally, but they know it will happen.



LivingMetal on 21 February 2011
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
voty2000 said:
LivingMetal said:

You guys just need to stop making excuses and just see the truth of geohot being a malicious enabler.  Legality, common sense, and his personal actions point towards this.  It's just sad some of you would trade the love of gaming for a vendeta against Sony.  Your loss of character, not mine.


Just listen to the arguments.  It's about consumer rights to use their devices how they want.  Few if anyone are defending piracy, which is illegal.  The majority are defending their right to do what they want with what they bought.  I have no vendeta against Sony because I'm not retarded enough to pledge loyalty to any multi-national gaming company that could care less about me, only my money.  You're the one with loss of character for taking a stance for a corporation that wants to take away consumer rights.  Fight the pirates, not the modders.  It's a simple concept. 


I want an online experience as flawless as possible for my gaming enjoyment.  That's how I want to use my device.  Why are you denying me that by allowing and promoting enablers to allow others to prevent that?  It's a simple concept.  Just listen to reason.  Fighting just the pirates and not the modders is just like saying arrest the drug users and not the pushers.

No....

it's more like saying... just punish the murderers... and not the people who produce the guns they use.


Wrong.  If you know someone will murder someone if you give him a hammer, you will not give him that hammer.  Otherwise, you are as responsible (an accomplice at the very least).  The truth that has been pointed out over and over again which has been denied by everyone unreasonable is that we all know that what geohot released WILL be abused.  AND he PROVED his malicious intent by the release and content of that rap video.  Keep lying to yourself.  You guys aren't gamers.

If you give someone a hammer and then they murder someone with it.  You aren't guilty of any crimes... even if you think someone will murder someone with it.

Afterall gun manufacturers KNOW people will be shot illegally with their guns.


Again:

"The truth that has been pointed out over and over again which has been denied by everyone unreasonable is that we all know that what geohot released WILL be abused.  AND he PROVED his malicious intent by the release and content of that rap video.  Keep lying to yourself.  You guys aren't gamers."



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Kasz216 on 21 February 2011
LivingMetal said:
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
voty2000 said:
LivingMetal said:

You guys just need to stop making excuses and just see the truth of geohot being a malicious enabler.  Legality, common sense, and his personal actions point towards this.  It's just sad some of you would trade the love of gaming for a vendeta against Sony.  Your loss of character, not mine.


Just listen to the arguments.  It's about consumer rights to use their devices how they want.  Few if anyone are defending piracy, which is illegal.  The majority are defending their right to do what they want with what they bought.  I have no vendeta against Sony because I'm not retarded enough to pledge loyalty to any multi-national gaming company that could care less about me, only my money.  You're the one with loss of character for taking a stance for a corporation that wants to take away consumer rights.  Fight the pirates, not the modders.  It's a simple concept. 


I want an online experience as flawless as possible for my gaming enjoyment.  That's how I want to use my device.  Why are you denying me that by allowing and promoting enablers to allow others to prevent that?  It's a simple concept.  Just listen to reason.  Fighting just the pirates and not the modders is just like saying arrest the drug users and not the pushers.

No....

it's more like saying... just punish the murderers... and not the people who produce the guns they use.


Wrong.  If you know someone will murder someone if you give him a hammer, you will not give him that hammer.  Otherwise, you are as responsible (an accomplice at the very least).  The truth that has been pointed out over and over again which has been denied by everyone unreasonable is that we all know that what geohot released WILL be abused.  AND he PROVED his malicious intent by the release and content of that rap video.  Keep lying to yourself.  You guys aren't gamers.

If you give someone a hammer and then they murder someone with it.  You aren't guilty of any crimes... even if you think someone will murder someone with it.

Afterall gun manufacturers KNOW people will be shot illegally with their guns.


Again:

"The truth that has been pointed out over and over again which has been denied by everyone unreasonable is that we all know that what geohot released WILL be abused.  AND he PROVED his malicious intent by the release and content of that rap video.  Keep lying to yourself.  You guys aren't gamers."


Again.

People who manufactuer guns KNOW that they will be abused and that people will be murdered.

Who's lieing to themselves here?  Your analogy is broken and disproven yet you keep pretending it works.

The only person lieing to themselves is you, because you think you are right with the point when it's eaisly disproven and you've got no leg to stand on by way of your own analogy.



hehe82 on 21 February 2011


voty2000 on 21 February 2011
LivingMetal said:
voty2000 said:

You're willing to have less rights so you don't experience a few annoyances online.    I get what you're saying I just think it's ridiculous.

Sony will eventually find a way to ban even more people that pirate and cheat online, it jus takes time.

 

Define "less rights."  I have the right to choose any product that suits and fits my needs/wants.  So you think it's ridiculous for consumers to expect a product should do what they pay for?  I buy gaming consoles because I like gaming, I didn't buy a gaming console so I can get frustrated at cheaters who are modding software to their advantage.  In real life, I can easily not invite a person over if I know he cheats at, let's say, cards.  It's not as easy when I'm playing with people around the world online.  

Number 1, there are very few people cheating online on the PS3.  There is a much greater number on the 360 and I've never had a problem with it.  The product will do what you pay for it to do.  You're acting like it's a huge problem when it's not. I played Black Ops on a buddies PS3 last night for 4 hours.  Not one person used cheats.  If the problem was severe I would have at least had one bad game.

The product doing what you paid for it to do is up to the manufacturer.  Sony screwed up and built a huge security flaw into the system.  It is now up to them to fix it.  If they don't, sue Sony for screwing up and not delivering on their promise.   

You're trying to catch me in a loop and it won't work. You are losing no rights if we a allowed to modd consoles.  You are however losing rights if Sony wins this case, the right to actually own what you bought. 

Flawed argument.



fordy on 21 February 2011
LivingMetal said:


Again:

"The truth that has been pointed out over and over again which has been denied by everyone unreasonable is that we all know that what geohot released WILL be abused.  AND he PROVED his malicious intent by the release and content of that rap video.  Keep lying to yourself.  You guys aren't gamers."

Yet you're supporting Sony wasting their money on a case just to prove a point, when that money could be going towards PROPER protection devices for the online community?

It's blatantly ignorant to think that the one-trick pony of a protection system that was flawed to begin with would meet the needs of PS3 security this entire time. They need to cut their losses and work to prevent even more damage being done.



SqueakySamurai on 21 February 2011
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
Kasz216 said:
LivingMetal said:
voty2000 said:
LivingMetal said:

You guys just need to stop making excuses and just see the truth of geohot being a malicious enabler.  Legality, common sense, and his personal actions point towards this.  It's just sad some of you would trade the love of gaming for a vendeta against Sony.  Your loss of character, not mine.


Just listen to the arguments.  It's about consumer rights to use their devices how they want.  Few if anyone are defending piracy, which is illegal.  The majority are defending their right to do what they want with what they bought.  I have no vendeta against Sony because I'm not retarded enough to pledge loyalty to any multi-national gaming company that could care less about me, only my money.  You're the one with loss of character for taking a stance for a corporation that wants to take away consumer rights.  Fight the pirates, not the modders.  It's a simple concept. 


I want an online experience as flawless as possible for my gaming enjoyment.  That's how I want to use my device.  Why are you denying me that by allowing and promoting enablers to allow others to prevent that?  It's a simple concept.  Just listen to reason.  Fighting just the pirates and not the modders is just like saying arrest the drug users and not the pushers.

No....

it's more like saying... just punish the murderers... and not the people who produce the guns they use.


Wrong.  If you know someone will murder someone if you give him a hammer, you will not give him that hammer.  Otherwise, you are as responsible (an accomplice at the very least).  The truth that has been pointed out over and over again which has been denied by everyone unreasonable is that we all know that what geohot released WILL be abused.  AND he PROVED his malicious intent by the release and content of that rap video.  Keep lying to yourself.  You guys aren't gamers.

If you give someone a hammer and then they murder someone with it.  You aren't guilty of any crimes... even if you think someone will murder someone with it.

Afterall gun manufacturers KNOW people will be shot illegally with their guns.


Again:

"The truth that has been pointed out over and over again which has been denied by everyone unreasonable is that we all know that what geohot released WILL be abused.  AND he PROVED his malicious intent by the release and content of that rap video.  Keep lying to yourself.  You guys aren't gamers."


Again.

People who manufactuer guns KNOW that they will be abused and that people will be murdered.

Who's lieing to themselves here?

No they don't. Murder is something rarely anyone will do, it's something that will ruin your life forever and 99% chance you will get caught. You're saying this as if everyone murders. And you're not even proving why you are right, you're just trying to prove the whole murder thing.