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Baalzamon on 08 February 2011
Darc Requiem said:
Cypher1980 said:
Darc Requiem said:

Why do I get the feeling that this will only embolden hackers to focus on Sony platforms even more?


Precisely.

Posturing like this will only give hackers a form of justification for their actions.

Why oh why do SONY behave like such monumental dicks all the time.

May as well just paint a frickin target on their chests.


I'm not sure. They are wasting money poking the beehive with a stick. They'd be better served to use the funds to make their future platforms more secure. Hackers aren't a rival corporation, they are individuals spread across the globe. If Sony's lucky they may snag a half dozen or so, get no money from them because they don't have it, and piss off the thousands of hackers they didn't catch.

Yea, but its not about catching them all, as that is never feasible.  The same deal could be said about banks for example.  Somebody robs a bank, and the bank wants their damn money back.  Because they will never catch all of the people who robbed their bank, they are being told to instead to just spend their money on improving the security of the bank.  Somebody will still manage to be able to rob the bank somehow, and steal their money.  But once again, they will just be pushed to improve their security again.  So rather than going out and fixing at least some of the issues with the property being stolen from them, they should just keep trying to improve a future console, so it will be more secure?  (Even though somebody will likely figure out how to hack that as well).

Just because the legal system isn't able to punish every single person who breaks laws is no reason why we shouldn't go after at least some of the people that we managed to catch breaking the law.



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dark_gh0st_b0y on 08 February 2011

yes but the the wound from the first hit was too deep to be recovered, damage has already been done



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Baalzamon on 08 February 2011
dark_gh0st_b0y said:

yes but the the wound from the first hit was too deep to be recovered, damage has already been done

That's still beside the point.  If somebody gets murdered, the damage has already been done, but does that mean that the person should just be let go rather than let the criminal system try the criminalistic criminal in the criminal courts?



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Galaki on 08 February 2011
Baalzamon said:

That's still beside the point.  If somebody gets murdered, the damage has already been done, but does that mean that the person should just be let go rather than let the criminal system try the criminalistic criminal in the criminal courts?


Are you seriously comparing jailbreak to robbing a bank and murdering people?



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r505Matt on 08 February 2011
Darc Requiem said:
Cypher1980 said:
Darc Requiem said:

Why do I get the feeling that this will only embolden hackers to focus on Sony platforms even more?


Precisely.

Posturing like this will only give hackers a form of justification for their actions.

Why oh why do SONY behave like such monumental dicks all the time.

May as well just paint a frickin target on their chests.


I'm not sure. They are wasting money poking the beehive with a stick. They'd be better served to use the funds to make their future platforms more secure. Hackers aren't a rival corporation, they are individuals spread across the globe. If Sony's lucky they may snag a half dozen or so, get no money from them because they don't have it, and piss off the thousands of hackers they didn't catch.


Exactly, couldn't have put it better myself. It's as if Sony doesn't know what the internet is. Once something is on the internet, especially something of a damaging nature such as this, it will spread. They act as if by prosecuting hackers, they will stop the flow. They will not.

Update on the story too, "Sony is threatening to sue anybody posting or “distributing” the first full-fledged jailbreak code for the 4-year-old PlayStation 3 gaming console."

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/02/sony-lawyers-now-targeting-anyone-who-posts-playstation-3-hack.ars



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LivingMetal on 08 February 2011
Americant_heroxbox said:

Hackers > corporations ......''end of history'


Legit consumers > hackers.



JWS on 08 February 2011

So the company that put rootkits on thousands on home computers is pissed off at hackers? I hope they give the hackers the same deal as sony when they got caught. Admit no wrong doing and give out a few cds that nobody wanted anyway.



whatever on 08 February 2011
deskpro2k3 said:
whatever said:
Ssliasil said:

This topic makes it blatantly clear which poster's are hackers and which are not lol.

Hell yes, go Sony!  Already kicked Geo-Hotz ass, keep it up.

What people dont realize, this is all for far more than just the playstation 3 - this help'sall companies, in both gaming and pratical electronic fields.

This topic makes it blatantly clear which poster's don't understand the concept of ownership and fair use.  I should be able to do whatever I want with the things I own as long as I'm not breaking any laws.  Just the act of "jailbreaking" anything should NEVER be illegal.  Pirating games should be illegal and punishable.  Opening up a console for other uses, even if it enables piracy, should not.  I don't understand how, as a consumer, you can be OK with this.

Do you really want a corporation telling you what you can and can't do with your own stuff?  Because that is where this is leading if this is allowed to stand.  You want to tinker with your car or some electronic device?  You could end up in the same place as Geohot.

And no, I've never hacked any gaming device or pirated any games.

Go Sony, take away our rights as consumers!


OK I'll give you an example. Lets say I picked up the keys to your house. I went ahead and made copies of that key and give them out to people. Since I'm able to do whatever I want with it, it is not breaking the law. Right?

 

Absolutely not.  You don't own my house, so you don't have the right to give away keys to it.  Try again.



slowmo on 08 February 2011

Just a reminder to the hacker out there, a large amount of features were added to the 360 as a direct result of the hacks that appeared on the original xbox.  The development team at Microsoft took a look at what people were doing with custom dashboadrs and XBMC and realised the potential for their console to be far greater than just for games.  Sony followed in Micorsofts footsteps when they launched too adding extra features.

For all the "evil" hackers do, they do actually provide some good back to the gaming community also.  Branding all hackers under a stereotype is simply wrong.



whatever on 08 February 2011
Aprisaiden said:
whatever said:
Ssliasil said:

This topic makes it blatantly clear which poster's are hackers and which are not lol.

Hell yes, go Sony!  Already kicked Geo-Hotz ass, keep it up.

What people dont realize, this is all for far more than just the playstation 3 - this help'sall companies, in both gaming and pratical electronic fields.

This topic makes it blatantly clear which poster's don't understand the concept of ownership and fair use.  I should be able to do whatever I want with the things I own as long as I'm not breaking any laws.  Just the act of "jailbreaking" anything should NEVER be illegal.  Pirating games should be illegal and punishable.  Opening up a console for other uses, even if it enables piracy, should not.  I don't understand how, as a consumer, you can be OK with this.

Do you really want a corporation telling you what you can and can't do with your own stuff?  Because that is where this is leading if this is allowed to stand.  You want to tinker with your car or some electronic device?  You could end up in the same place as Geohot.

And no, I've never hacked any gaming device or pirated any games.

Go Sony, take away our rights as consumers!

You have a right to do what you want with the hardware, but you only bought a license to use GAME OS. To reverse engineer GAME OS in order to play pirated games IS infriginging on SONY's patents and copyright, by distributing it you are also selling stolen goods.

Hell it is no different then if i took Windows 7, modifyied to remove valididy check, added in a cracked version MS Office and then distributed it.

In the end you are stealing from SONY, weather its games or operating system code - it is still stealing and the only reason the legal system is lagging behind is because they are reluctant to draw the line simply becuase its hard to tell how much it hurts a company. Yet PSP software sales show how much damage can be done with most good games on the system having millions of torrents each! If just 10% of those pirated games were bought new you would see lifetime PSP software easily rise by atleast 25%....

The whole "licensing" software model has been an attempt to bypass the laws of ownership and fair use.  It's complete BS.  There is no reason I can't reverse engineer a piece of software I bought.  If someone uses that for illegal purposes, then they are at fault, not me.  I haven't stolen anything.  To suggest that this is stealing is just ridiculous.

A company should never be able to tell you how you can use something that you've bought, period.  Company profits should never be placed above consumer rights.