CDiablo said:
Sony is wasting money and doing irrepreable damage to its name cause they are idiots. |
I honestly do not know where you are going with this.
CDiablo said:
Sony is wasting money and doing irrepreable damage to its name cause they are idiots. |
I honestly do not know where you are going with this.
daroamer said:
Hopefully you got that my post was extremely sarcastic :P I didn't think a /sarcasm at the end was necessary. Of course it was going to be denied, the request was ridiculous and was seriously overstepping some bounds. That's what I've been saying all along. |
...I know...I was adding on to the sarcasm showing how stupid it really sounds, but clearly that didn't carry over in internet lingo, so whatever.
Money can't buy happiness. Just video games, which make me happy.
Baalzamon said:
Ohhhhhh, I get it, so since he doesn't own your house, he doesn't have the right to give away keys to it, but since us owners of Sony products don't own the software, we can do whatever the hell we want to do with it. It all makes sense now. |
No, you obviously don't get it.
Spankey said:
100% corect. however, you have not bought the software. you have bought the right to use the Software according to the terms laid out and accepted by you when you handed the money over and fired up the software. all the 'owners' of the games who have paid up however many dollars from a store to get the disks have not bought the software. They've bought a licence to use it, and that licence is subject to various terms and conditions, exactly like the OS software on the PS3. It would be a completely different story if the OS software or any software for that matter was released as open source, bit it isn't, and even the use of open source software is subject to certain terms and conditions. If you went to Sony, the devs or whoerver owns the IP and actually bought the full rights to the game, it wouldn't cost you a measly $50 or whatever, the cost could run into the millions. Perhaps then you could reverse engineer to your hearts content |
Like I said, the whole "your licensing it, not buying it" is complete BS and an attempt to get around fair use. It should be struck down by a judge with any sense. If I want to reverse engineer it, modify it, add to it, I should be able to do that. If I want to show other owners what I've done, I should be able to do that too.
If someone uses what I've done to make illegal copies or to do anything else illegal, then they should be held liable. This is the way that consumer law has always worked. This is what these companies are trying to change with the DMCA. It should have been struck down a long time ago.
Some posters seems to forget that while you can modify software and hardware you possess, you cannot put it on the internet for everyone to download. Sony arent suing anyone for jailbreaking the PS3. They are suing Geohot for distributing modify licensed firmware, which is illegal, however you see it. Consumer rights arent at risk here.
CDiablo said:
Thats a retarded example. The correct way to phrase what you are saying is. 40 odd million people bought houses in a housing development. All of those houses have locked rooms that no one has access to because the seller doesnt want you using that portion of the property. The seller of the house is an idiot and left the key to those rooms buried in the backyard of every property. Someone did some digging and found the key and has copied it for all those 40 million users to use. Truth be told some users will add a man cave in the room or a home theater room. Sadly some users will use that room for making meth. Its up to the law to take care of the meth makers. It boggles my mind how many people are supporting Sonys absurd actions. Im all for going after people selling BRDs of games but Sony's "you dont own what you own" policy is outrageous. I own it I can throw it off a bridge or I can jailbreak it, because I own it. I clearly cannot go online with a hacked firmware per the PSN agreement. I know it will result in bootlegging, but who gives a shit, XBOX does fine with it, Wii does fine with it, DS does fine with it, PC does fine with it. PSP's sales arent crippled by piracy, it doesnt sell because people think the games arent that great. Every system can be hacked for less than $50 and its easier to hack DS than it is to hack PSP. If you are a kid and dont understand the concept of ownership, thats fine but any teen or adult that cannot clearly see that the concept of ownership in this is under attack is out of their mind. I've boycotted Sony and all games on their platforms since they removed OtherOS and though I don't suggest eyeryone going that route(huge Yakuza fan here), you do not have to blindly support every stupid action Sony makes. |
I'm sorry but I think your example is much worse. The problem with piracy is how it affects many developers who lose a lot of money and many of them even lose their jobs. In some other cases it affects gamers too, as they don't get sequels to great games due to poor sales. Also many of them can now easily cheat online and even delete one's saves, thus affecting other player's experience. How does your example include these cases? Does the seller of the house lose money when you use that room? Whether you use that locked room or not does not affect anyone.
