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CDiablo said:
LivingMetal said:
CDiablo said:
LivingMetal said:
Spankey said:

do you really think these clowns and GeoHot were doing this for engaging in “ legitimate” encryption
research?
  Legitimate? Really? come on.


Like I said, some people are going to find whatever excuses to bash Sony.


You could already play "backups"(including games released after 3.41) of games with the PSjailbreak/PSgroove program. You could not run homebrew or a linux os(around the corner) without the keys. Its kind of hard to make a case that they were working on alternate OS's just to play backups since the ability was available for everyone months before.


And your point?

Sony is wasting money and doing irrepreable damage to its name cause they are idiots.


I honestly do not know where you are going with this. 



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daroamer said:
Baalzamon said:
daroamer said:

So a judge denied Sony's request for the IP addresses and personal information of people who posted, viewed or commented on videos/articles about the hacks from sites such as Google/Youtube and Paypal.  Wow, the judge must be so anti-gamer and a complete Microsoft or Nintendo fangirl to deny Sony such a reasonable request.

I for one am shocked.

:O I don't think its right to prosecute viewers, as there is no law against reading an article.  I searched what the contents of the new update were right when it came out and wound up with a page that had a couple people talking about how far they were into hacking it already and what they were doing...granted it made absolutely zero sense.

Hopefully you got that my post was extremely sarcastic :P I didn't think a /sarcasm at the end was necessary.

Of course it was going to be denied, the request was ridiculous and was seriously overstepping some bounds.  That's what I've been saying all along.

...I know...I was adding on to the sarcasm showing how stupid it really sounds, but clearly that didn't carry over in internet lingo, so whatever.



Money can't buy happiness. Just video games, which make me happy.

Baalzamon said:
whatever said:
deskpro2k3 said:
whatever said:
Ssliasil said:

This topic makes it blatantly clear which poster's are hackers and which are not lol.

Hell yes, go Sony!  Already kicked Geo-Hotz ass, keep it up.

What people dont realize, this is all for far more than just the playstation 3 - this help'sall companies, in both gaming and pratical electronic fields.

This topic makes it blatantly clear which poster's don't understand the concept of ownership and fair use.  I should be able to do whatever I want with the things I own as long as I'm not breaking any laws.  Just the act of "jailbreaking" anything should NEVER be illegal.  Pirating games should be illegal and punishable.  Opening up a console for other uses, even if it enables piracy, should not.  I don't understand how, as a consumer, you can be OK with this.

Do you really want a corporation telling you what you can and can't do with your own stuff?  Because that is where this is leading if this is allowed to stand.  You want to tinker with your car or some electronic device?  You could end up in the same place as Geohot.

And no, I've never hacked any gaming device or pirated any games.

Go Sony, take away our rights as consumers!


OK I'll give you an example. Lets say I picked up the keys to your house. I went ahead and made copies of that key and give them out to people. Since I'm able to do whatever I want with it, it is not breaking the law. Right?

 

Absolutely not.  You don't own my house, so you don't have the right to give away keys to it.  Try again.

Ohhhhhh, I get it, so since he doesn't own your house, he doesn't have the right to give away keys to it, but since us owners of Sony products don't own the software, we can do whatever the hell we want to do with it.  It all makes sense now.

No, you obviously don't get it.



Spankey said:
whatever said:
 

The whole "licensing" software model has been an attempt to bypass the laws of ownership and fair use.  It's complete BS.  There is no reason I can't reverse engineer a piece of software I bought.  If someone uses that for illegal purposes, then they are at fault, not me.  I haven't stolen anything.  To suggest that this is stealing is just ridiculous.

A company should never be able to tell you how you can use something that you've bought, period.  Company profits should never be placed above consumer rights.

100% corect.

however, you have not bought the software. you have bought the right to use the Software according to the terms laid out and accepted by you when you handed the money over and fired up the software.

all the 'owners' of the games who have paid up however many dollars from a store to get the disks have not bought the software. They've bought a licence to use it, and that licence is subject to various terms and conditions, exactly like the OS software on the PS3.

It would be a completely different story if the OS software or any software for that matter was released as open source, bit it isn't, and even the use of open source software is subject to certain terms and conditions.

If you went to Sony, the devs or whoerver owns the IP and actually bought the full rights to the game, it wouldn't cost you a measly $50 or whatever, the cost could run into the millions. Perhaps then you could reverse engineer to your hearts content

Like I said, the whole "your licensing it, not buying it" is complete BS and an attempt to get around fair use.  It should be struck down by a judge with any sense.  If I want to reverse engineer it, modify it, add to it, I should be able to do that.  If I want to show other owners what I've done, I should be able to do that too.

If someone uses what I've done to make illegal copies or to do anything else illegal, then they should be held liable.  This is the way that consumer law has always worked.  This is what these companies are trying to change with the DMCA.  It should have been struck down a long time ago.



Some posters seems to forget that while you can modify software and hardware you possess, you cannot put it on the internet for everyone to download. Sony arent suing anyone for jailbreaking the PS3. They are suing Geohot for distributing modify licensed firmware, which is illegal, however you see it. Consumer rights arent at risk here.



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CDiablo said:
deskpro2k3 said:
whatever said:
Ssliasil said:

This topic makes it blatantly clear which poster's are hackers and which are not lol.

Hell yes, go Sony!  Already kicked Geo-Hotz ass, keep it up.

What people dont realize, this is all for far more than just the playstation 3 - this help'sall companies, in both gaming and pratical electronic fields.

This topic makes it blatantly clear which poster's don't understand the concept of ownership and fair use.  I should be able to do whatever I want with the things I own as long as I'm not breaking any laws.  Just the act of "jailbreaking" anything should NEVER be illegal.  Pirating games should be illegal and punishable.  Opening up a console for other uses, even if it enables piracy, should not.  I don't understand how, as a consumer, you can be OK with this.

Do you really want a corporation telling you what you can and can't do with your own stuff?  Because that is where this is leading if this is allowed to stand.  You want to tinker with your car or some electronic device?  You could end up in the same place as Geohot.

And no, I've never hacked any gaming device or pirated any games.

Go Sony, take away our rights as consumers!


OK I'll give you an example. Lets say I picked up the keys to your house. I went ahead and made copies of that key and give them out to people. Since I'm able to do whatever I want with it, it is not breaking the law. Right?

 

Thats a retarded example. The correct way to phrase what you are saying is. 40 odd million people bought houses in a housing development. All of those houses have locked rooms that no one has access to because the seller doesnt want you using that portion of the property. The seller of the house is an idiot and left the key to those rooms buried in the backyard of every property. Someone did some digging and found the key and has copied it for all those 40 million users to use. Truth be told some users will add a man cave in the room or a home theater room. Sadly some users will use that room for making meth. Its up to the law to take care of the meth makers.

It boggles my mind how many people are supporting Sonys absurd actions. Im all for going after people selling BRDs of games but Sony's "you dont own what you own" policy is outrageous. I own it I can throw it off a bridge or I can jailbreak it, because I own it. I clearly cannot go online with a hacked firmware per the PSN agreement. I know it will result in bootlegging, but who gives a shit, XBOX does fine with it, Wii does fine with it, DS does fine with it, PC does fine with it. PSP's sales arent crippled by piracy, it doesnt sell because people think the games arent that great. Every system can be hacked for less than $50 and its easier to hack DS than it is to hack PSP.

If you are a kid and dont understand the concept of ownership, thats fine but any teen or adult that cannot clearly see that the concept of ownership in this is under attack is out of their mind. I've boycotted Sony and all games on their platforms since they removed OtherOS and though I don't suggest eyeryone going that route(huge Yakuza fan here), you do not have to blindly support every stupid action Sony makes.

I'm sorry but I think your example is much worse. The problem with piracy is how it affects many developers who lose a lot of money and many of them even lose their jobs. In some other cases it affects gamers too, as they don't get sequels to great games due to poor sales. Also many of them can now easily cheat online and even delete one's saves, thus affecting other player's experience. How does your example include these cases? Does the seller of the house lose money when you use that room? Whether you use that locked room or not does not affect anyone.